Not under the Law?

[B-A-C]

What is pleasing and acceptable to God?

There are a couple of verses in the Bible I run across from time to time.

John 12:46 "I have come as Light into the world, so that everyone who believes in Me will not remain in darkness.
John 12:47 "If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
John 12:48 "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.

Mat 5:19 "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least

in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

It's interesting, John 12:47 says even if we know the teaching of Jesus and do not do them, he won't judge us.
But he goes on to say, if you reject me altogether, you will be judged.
Matt 5:19 says if we don't follow even one of the least of the commandments, or teach someone else not to follow them, they will be called least in heaven. So even if you do this, you could still make it to heaven.

Notice neither of these verses say not following the commandments will keep you out of heaven.
So if this is true, why bother with any of the rules of the Bible?

I am reminded of mail order brides from the mid 1800's. A lot of men (apparently tens of thousands) came into the American frontier alone. Their vision was to build a house, establish a means of income, and then get married. Of course back in those days they didn't have the internet, or cell phones, or even television. They didn't have eHarmony or ChristianMingle or match.com. There weren't a lot of women to choose from on the American frontier in those days. So just about any woman was acceptable, as long as she had most of her hair and some of her teeth.

It may be that accepting Jesus is all we need to do to be 'acceptable' before God.
But there are a lot of verses that talk about what is pleasing to God.
2 Cor 5:9-10; Eph 5:8-11; Col 3:20; Heb 13:21; 1 Jn 3:22; and a few others.

Now we may not have to do these things to be saved, but why wouldn't you want to do them?

It also talks about the things we can do (or not do) if we love the Lord.
John 14:15; John 14:23; John 21:15-17; Matt 6:24; Mat 22:37; Mark 12:30; 1 Jn 2:5; 1 Jn 4:20; etc...

Finally the Bible talks about rewards, now this isn't the reward of salvation, we aready have that.
1 Cor 3:13-15

So why wouldn't you want to do what is pleasing and acceptable to God?

 

[B-A-C]

If you where to ask me, I know that god will forgive me if I fall into sin, because I have accepted Jesus as my savior and I have a relationship with him. However, That by no means I can hold a license to sin, nor does it mean I can pick and chose portions of the bible to ignore. Jesus gave us specif marching orders, including not to sin. And sin is more than breaking the Ten Commandments, It can include many objects, such as necromancy, beasaility, homosexuality, and several other issues, mentioned by both Jesus and the apostles. However, there are some parts of the law that Jesus fulfilled such as animal sacrifices and other said issues. In fact, If you where to Do what exactly just the new Testimant tells us to do, your actions would be very similar to following the law in a lot of ways.

I think you are exactly right.
The 10 commandments, were replaced with the 2 commandments.
These are simply love the LORD your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. (not always easy to do).
and love your neighbor as yourself.

So hmmm.. if we reverse these, love your neighbor with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength,
and love the LORD God as you love yourself. Not exactly the same meaning is it?
We should love God MORE than we love ourselves.

So how do we love our neighbor?
By lying, cheating, stealing, coveting, murdering them? Or by not doing these things?
In fact maybe even more than simply not doing those things?
Luke 10:29-37; Matt 25:35-40; Jas 1:27

 

[brakelite]

I think you are exactly right.
The 10 commandments, were replaced with the 2 commandments.
These are simply love the LORD your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. (not always easy to do).
and love your neighbor as yourself.

So hmmm.. if we reverse these, love your neighbor with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength,
and love the LORD God as you love yourself. Not exactly the same meaning is it?
We should love God MORE than we love ourselves.

So how do we love our neighbor?
By lying, cheating, stealing, coveting, murdering them? Or by not doing these things?
In fact maybe even more than simply not doing those things?
Luke 10:29-37; Matt 25:35-40; Jas 1:27

Been going over this thread again and after a few detours and going round in circles, finally BAC you have hit the nail on the head, and you have summarised the law in the same way Jesus did, by love. (I wouldn't however put it quite like you did BAC, that love 'replaces' the law, rather that love fulfils the law.)
We all agree that works do not save us, and no-one on this thread has said that. We are saved by grace through faith, period. We are not deserving any one of us to go to heaven, there is nothing we can do, or not do, to change any wit God's love toward us, for while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. Praise God!

The only things that qualified me for salvation are the following:

• I am a sinner.
• I was an enemy of God.
• I am helpless.
• Ungodly.
• I was withoput hope.

And once we accpet Christ's atoning sacrifice for us, God sends His Spirit and He abides in us. Now God is Love, and with Him in us He loves through us and by default, we fulfil the law. Through the love of God shed abroad by the Spirit of God in us. It is Christ in us, our hope of glory.
This is how the commandments become promises. Through faith. We accept by faith the Son of God's sacrifice, God sends His Spirit into our lives, and God (notice it is all God and none of us) fulfils the ten promises in our lives. Obedience becomes a fruitage of our faith in Him to accomplish all He sets out to do.
Mt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

 

[B-A-C]

Legalism. It seems to be the criticism of some churches today.
Indeed the Bible itself preaches against Legalism.
Col 2:20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,
Col 2:21 "Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!"

It seems that whenever we tell people they OUGHT to walk in a certain way, they immediately get defensive and say that's legalism. But it isn't legalism is when you tell someone they HAVE to do something. It seems the only thing we Christians HAVE to do, is believe in Jesus. But is that all we SHOULD do?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life.
we MIGHT walk in a new life.

Rom 8:4 so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Gal 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
We are supposed to walk in the Spirit, not in the flesh. Rom 8:4 says the requirement of the law is fulfilled in those who walk in the Spirit. (What about those who don't walk in the Spirit?)

Gal 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

So how do we know if we are walking by the Spirit or the flesh? The Bible tells us.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Gal 5:25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

How do we know if we are walking in the flesh?
Gal 5:19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

I particularly like verse 21 here. It doesn't say "if you've ever done these things",it says "if you keep practicing them". All of us sin sometimes, it's a fact of life. But there is a big difference between sinning sometimes and living IN sin.

1 Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;
1 Jn 1:7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Eph 4:1 Therefore I, the prisoner of the Lord, implore you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling with which you have been called,
Eph 5:15 Therefore be careful how you walk, not as unwise men but as wise,

Col 1:10 so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God;

1 Thes 4:1 Finally then, brethren, we request and exhort you in the Lord Jesus, that as you received from us instruction as to how you ought to walk and please God (just as you actually do walk), that you excel still more.

Eph 5:28 So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself;

Mat 6:33 "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

1 Jn 2:6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.
2 Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.

1 Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1 Cor 6:10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 6:11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
Again, we see certain sins listed. If you have struggled, or perhaps even if you still struggle with these sins, there is grace. But if you are purposely choosing to continue living this way then we really aren't living as God called us to live.

Mat 18:3 and said, "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Luke 18:17 "Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all."
Jesus says in Matt 18:3 unless you are 'converted'. There should be a change, an evidence that you are different.

Mat 19:23 And Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19:24 "Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Jesus didn't say it was impossible for a rich man to get to heaven, he said it was difficult.

2 Pet 1:4 For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust.
2 Pet 1:5 Now for this very reason also, applying all diligence, in your faith supply moral excellence, and in your moral excellence, knowledge,
2 Pet 1:6 and in your knowledge, self-control, and in your self-control, perseverance, and in your perseverance, godliness,
2 Pet 1:7 and in your godliness, brotherly kindness, and in your brotherly kindness, love.
2 Pet 1:8 For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Pet 1:9 For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins.
2 Pet 1:10 Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble;
2 Pet 1:11 for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.

2 Cor 7:1 Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Eph 4:19 and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness.
Eph 4:20 But you did not learn Christ in this way,
Eph 4:21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus,
Eph 4:22 that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit,
Eph 4:23 and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
Eph 4:24 and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.

1 Pet 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
1 Pet 4:18 AND IF IT IS WITH DIFFICULTY THAT THE RIGHTEOUS IS SAVED, WHAT WILL BECOME OF THE GODLESS MAN AND THE SINNER?
A common message these days is that the Gospel is Jesus, and nothing else. It's not Jesus plus something else. Well, it's true. Jesus is the only way to heaven. It's his righteousness not ours that gets us to heaven, but does that mean we shouldn't true to live righteous lives?

Php 2:12 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling;
Php 2:13 for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
Php 2:14 Do all things without grumbling or disputing;
Php 2:15 so that you will prove yourselves to be blameless and innocent, children of God above reproach in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you appear as lights in the world,

I'm sure some will dismiss this message as legalism and say I have freedom in Christ. I'm not bound under the Law anymore. That may be true, but just because we can do whatever we want, does that mean we should do whatever we want?

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
Rom 6:2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?

 

[David777]

Hello B-A-C and brakelite.

How do you interpret the following verses.

Instructions for the Gentiles from the apostles and elders.

Acts 15
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon
you no greater burden than these essentials: 29 that you abstain
from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things
strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from
such things, you will do well. Farewell.

Much later and just before Paul's arrest.

Acts 21
25 But concerning the Gentiles who have believed, we wrote,
having decided that they should abstain from meat sacrificed to
idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.

 

[brhal]

In reply to the original post "Not under the Law?"

Jesus said that he was entered into his Father's love by keeping his Father's commandments. Jesus said for us to enter into his love; so to enter into Christ's love you will enter into the Father's love by keeping his commandments. "For this is the love of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. For whatsoever is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith."

Jesus is a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek. Abraham paid tithes in Melchizedek. There was law long before Moses gave them the Law in Sinai. God told Isaac that he would keep the covenant with Isaac that he had made with his father Abraham, and would perform the oath which He swore unto Abraham "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statues, and my laws." So if you will follow Jesus you will keep his commandments: the first and the last.

 

[Barny]

So if you will follow Jesus you will keep his commandments: the first and the last.

Hi brhal,

No doubt you agree that sin is transgression of the law, 1John 3:4.

As you insist that we must keep the 10 commandments I would ask you if you yourself have kept them perfectly since the day you received Christ?
Remember just one offense with these 10 commandments makes you guilty of all of them, James 2:10.

And if you have not kept them perfectly since the day you received Christ then how is that subsequent sin dealt with, as only past sin was remitted at the cross? We can't sacrifice Christ on the cross again.
Rom 3:25
"whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed"

 

[brakelite]

Hello B-A-C and brakelite.

How do you interpret the following verses.

Instructions for the Gentiles from the apostles and elders.

Acts 15
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon
you no greater burden than these essentials: 29 that you abstain
from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things
strangled and from fornication; if you keep yourselves free from
such things, you will do well. Farewell.

Much later and just before Paul's arrest.

Acts 21
25 But concerning the Gentiles who have believed, we wrote,
having decided that they should abstain from meat sacrificed to
idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.

A superficial reading of these verses could lead one to think that all Christians, apart from converted Jews, need do is follow these instructions and all would be hunky dory. That these instructions comprise the sum total of righteous living for the NT Christian. And quite frankly, I do not believe that you David actually think that, so I am questioning your reasoning for advancing these verses as an argument for discarding the Ten Commandments. Could you clarify your own position on those verses? Is that all the NT instructions you follow in your life?

 

[brhal]

It is not I that has said what we should do. It is Christ, repeating only what he was seen and heard of the Father. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[spirit1st]

If You LOVe your going to obey 9 of the 10 commendments ! LOVE covers them all ! We do not keep the sabbath because we give each day too the LORD!

2Ti_1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Th_5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
1Ti_1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
Rom_1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Eph_3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1Jn_4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jn_4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.


Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Gal_2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Rom_3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.


Gal_5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Heb_7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?


Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

That our HOME NEW JERUSALEM NOW!
Eph_3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

The question becomes ? are we of this world or the kingdom of God [New Jerusalem ]

Eph_2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Eph_3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Eph_1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

1Co_12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Rom_8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[spirit1st]

Rom 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

 

[brhal]

Sabbath is unlike the other days. Only day that was sancified that no one can take away from you.

 

[spirit1st]

Rom_12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
The LORD no longer settles for just one day a week ! We live every day for HIM!

Heb_7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.


Jas_1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas_2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.


Joh_8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.


We are not in bondage tpo anything but LOVe and Faith !

Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;


Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

Col_2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Rom_7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Rom_8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Gal_3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Heb_7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Heb_10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb_10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

 

[brakelite]

If You LOVe your going to obey 9 of the 10 commendments ! LOVE covers them all ! We do not keep the sabbath because we give each day too the LORD!

You think that God only required those of Israel to live only one day for Him? We can give as much as we like to the Lord. The Sabbath isn't something we give to God. It is a day He has given to us, a day sanctified, and made holy. It is what we do with this gift that is important. The apostolic church...what did they do with it? Discard it? Ignore it? Teach that it is done away with and make money on that day through secular work? Never! They continued to honour that day by enetering the synagogues and teaching Christ. To them, their 'rest' in Christ didn't annul their observance of the Sabbath, rather, it gave their Sabbath observance even more meaning. The day still stands as a holy sanctified day.
You gave a good quote, Romans 12:1. It was at such a time when I completely surrendered myself to the Lord that He revealed to me the fullness of what the Ten Commandments mean. It was at a time when I had come to a point in my life that I was so low, yet so grateful for God's grace and mercy that I loved Him the most. (To those who are forgiven most love the most). Love covers the Sabbath too. It was in my love and gratefulness for all He had done for me that I accepted His gift of Sabbath. And I am now grateful for that, because it has been for me a great blessing.

 

[spirit1st]

Mar_2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:


Rom_9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:

Rom_8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

 

[brakelite]

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

I often wonder why people offer this text as a defense in ignoring the Sabbath. Jesus is saying that the Sabbath was made for man. Thus it was for man's benefit, for his good. It was made along with creation, being part of the 7 days of creation. Creation could have been just 6 days, but no, Jesus made it 7, and we remember that even today after 6000 odd years in our continuing observance of the week. If Jesus hadn't established the Sabbath, we would have a 6 day week. So how is it that God can offer us a gift of Sabbath, being made for man (mankind not just Jews) and we return it to Him saying no thanks, our theology teaches us that you didn't really mean that, because it is again, according to modern theology, a burden, a legalistic observance meant only for Pharisaical Jewish wannabes? You are willing to accept God's gift of salvation, but not His day of rest wherein you may spend a day just for Him? Why the resistance? Why search the scriptures for reasons and excuses for not keeping the Sabbath? Why not just believe His word, accept His gift, and rest for a day?

 

[spirit1st]

Very simple !under the old covenat God was dealing with Mankind in the Flesh 1 Under the new He dealing with us in the eternal !
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.


2Co_5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
It a NEW REST!
Heb_8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

The ols sabbath was under the law that was given to moses ! We are under the Laws of christ !

everything is new now ! But really they were GOIDS perfect laws always ! Love and faith Only !
That why people trying to live under the old covenat Stumble !

1Pe_2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.



Gal_3:12 And the law is not of faith:


So many are trying to mix the old covenat with the New ! They do not go together at all !


. Rom_6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

I live in freedom ! Not bound by anything , but the Laws He wrote inmy heart ! LOVe and faith !
search the scriptures ! find where He wrote any other laws in our heart , other than Faith and LOVE! Trying to put people in bondage to old testament laws is Not GOD perfect will !

Joh_8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Jas_2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.


many try to do others in bondage to all kinds of old testament , old covenat laws ! Some are taught these things and try to live it ! No one could , that why all died ! We cannot please God in the Flesh ! the children of God are Not flesh and blood ! But spirit beings , made just like our LORD JESUS! there is no sabbath in heaven !There is no time! This world is no longer our Home ! we are under the laws of the KINGDOM. eternal laws !

Joh_17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh_17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

1Co_15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


2Ti_1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
1Th_5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
1Ti_1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
Rom_1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Eph_3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Rom_12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Rom_5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.


Rom_7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.



Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.


Gal_4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
That those who are Born -again , That is there Home NOW and Forever more !


Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Rom_8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

1Pe_2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.



Rom_8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
What so important too us ? the things of the spirit or the flesh things?

 

[bgsda]

Hello all, brakelite those quotes you put up earlier about Christendoms (you can say Hall of Famers) was awesome. Not only them but all of the Reformers. What most of the people in this thread seem to fail to see is that this "im free from the Law" movement just recently started, you can say around the hippie movement. Moody, Graham, etc all knew the importance of the Law. Even Zaccharias believes this.

Point is this movement has gotten so bad that some of them believe they cant even sin anymore, they are too free. Isnt satan crafty. Or can it be God sending them a strong delusion written in 2Thess2:10-12. Thisis REAL TALK. I pray for you guys and gals that you will not stay deceived. I mean they have been warned.

BAC your illustration on God loving us no matter what is true but remember He is a just God. Then God would have to answer about all the people in the Bible, pretty much everybody that came out of Egypt and many, many more that died right away for sinning(breaking Gods Law). So God would have to explain why He loves us more than He loved them. You see where the problem lies when you say keep sinning you are saved anyway. BAC its like drinking a cup of water laced with only 1% cyanide poisining. 99% looks great but that 1% will kill you. Not good, please consider everythin that was written on this thread. God bless you all.

If you wanna know how God is dealing w/sin now check out tthe thread thats called Heavenly Sanctuary.

 

[Barny]

Isnt satan crafty. .

Hi bgsda,

Satan is crafty, as you say.
2Cor 11:3
But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Satan has always sought to bring man under the law so that he can charge them with sin/transgression of the law. Those who preach the law, trying to bring others under it, are up to no good.
Gal 4:17
They zealously court you, but for no good

Those who are deceived into being under the law are deceived into bondage.
Gal 4:9
But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?

Gal 4:21-24
Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar—

Being under the law makes you a sinner.
Gal 2:18
if I build again those things which I destroyed (the law), I make myself a transgressor/sinner.

But, those who believe in Jesus are not under the law for righteousness. Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:24-25, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9. Rom 6:14.
This is the simplicity that is in Christ. Righteousness by faith, Rom 4:5.

 

[spirit1st]

Gal_3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal_3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith

Gal_2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Job_5:17 Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:
Pro_3:11 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
Isa_26:16 LORD, in trouble have they visited thee, they poured out a prayer when thy chastening was upon them.
Heb_12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Heb_12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Heb_12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

GOD DOES NOT WANTS US DOING any Evil junk !