Not under the Law?

[B-A-C]

There is no "only two that still apply". You seem to be treating these two commandments as if these are parts of the Law of Moses,

These aren't my words, they are Jesus' and Pauls words.

Rom 13:9; For this, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

Mat 22:40 "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

If you have never lusted or thought someone was a fool or good for nothing, then you are a better Christian than I am.

try to hate someone and mean it..

Matt 5:28; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matt 5:22; "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

1 Jn 1:8; If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
1 Jn 1:9; If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 Jn 1:10; If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

If we can't sin, why do we need Jesus?

 

[james1523]

BAC, my full quote was "You seem to be treating these two commandments as if these are parts of the Law of Moses, law of letters written on stone, that are extracted, and then applied to Gentile Christians."

Of course they are part of Law of Moses. But they are not applied to Gentile Christians as law of letters of Moses but as law in Christ.

The Words of Christ in Matthew that are quoted are still applied to Jews living under Old Testament dispensation. There Christ is ministering to the Jews. Only after Christ died and rose again and give His Spirit did law of life in Spirit come into effect. If we want to live in Gospel times following Gospel of Matt, Mark, Luke John.. we are still living like Jews under Old Testament dispensation. But God sent the Holy Spirit and Paul received the new and fresh revelation about life in Christ in the Spirit not like the situation in the gospels. This is the gospel we gentiles must follow.

Paul in Romans quotes Law of Moses to explain how loving one another fulfills the law.

But we note that loving God and loving one another were never part of the 10 commandments.. they exist in other place. Which also highlights clear difference between law of Moses and law of Christ. Christ did not replace or change the Law of Moses for Christians.. He fulfilled the Law of Moses and then by us living in Him as gentile Christians , through Him we also fulfill the law. So Law of Moses not apply to us, only Christ applies to us.

If we are living by the nature of Christ, the law of the Spirit, we cannot and will not sin. My point was the nature of Christ is loving nature that we cannot hate anyone. We can be angry yes, but we cannot hate them from within our nature. Even if someone slap you on one cheek.. you will not hate them. But if we live according to the law of letters.. then we will sin, because we live in flesh and not spirit.

 

[B-A-C]

Of course they are part of Law of Moses. But they are not applied to Gentile Christians as law of letters of Moses but as law in Christ.

Rom 11:13 But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
Eph 3:1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles--
Acts 13:46 Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, "It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first; since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.

I wonder why Paul (the Apostle to the Gentiles) would tell the Corinthians (who weren't Jews) to keep the commandments?

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

I wonder why he would tell the Galations (who also aren't Jews) about following the commandments?

Galations 5:14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

Who did Paul write his letters to? The Jews? Or the Galations, Ephesians, Colossians, Thessalonians, Phillipians, and Corinthians?
Possibly Paul wrote Hebrews, but there is no conclusive proof of this.

Ephesians 6:2 HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER (which is the first commandment with a promise),

Gal 3:19 Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made.
Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one.
Gal 3:21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law.

Why would the Galations need a mediator for the Law?

Col 3:5; Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry.

Was idolatry against the commandments?

Col 3:6; For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience,
Col 3:7; and in them you also once walked, when you were living in them.
Col 3:8; But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.

Was bearing false witness against the commandments?

Col 3:9; Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices,

Was lying against the commandments?

Col 3:10; and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him--

Why would Paul tell the the Colossians to do the things in the commandments?

 

[DHC]

Rom 11:13 But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
Eph 3:1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles--
Acts 13:46 Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, "It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first; since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles.

I wonder why Paul (the Apostle to the Gentiles) would tell the Corinthians (who weren't Jews) to keep the commandments?

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.

I wonder why he would tell the Galations (who also aren't Jews) about following the commandments?

Galations 5:14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

Who did Paul write his letters to? The Jews? Or the Galations, Ephesians, Colossians, Thessalonians, Phillipians, and Corinthians?

Ephesians 6:2 HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER (which is the first commandment with a promise),

Hello B-A-C.

You quoted from Paul's letter to the Ephesians.

Here is your version of the quote;

Ephesians 6:2 HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER (which is the first commandment with a promise),

Your quote certainly gives the impression that Paul is ordering the
Gentile church to follow one of the ten commandments?

Now we will read the text you quoted as it appears within Paul's letter to the
Ephesians;

Ephesians 6 (NKJV)

1 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.
2 “Honor your father and mother,” which is the first commandment with promise:
3 “that it may be well with you and you may live long on the earth.”
4 And you, fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath, but bring them up in the training and admonition of the Lord.

If you read line one, Paul is not instituting the law B-A-C. Paul is asking
the children to obey their parents "for this is right". Then Paul references
a commandment to illustrate that this instruction has merit. There is a
tremendous difference between a reference to the law and the imposition
of law. Jews were under the law of Moses! Gentiles were not under this law!

Do you see this difference within the context B-A-C?

 

[B-A-C]

Do you see this difference within the context B-A-C?

No I do not, but even if this is the case for this one verse what about the other 12 examples?

 

[DHC]

No I do not, but even if this is the case for this one verse what about the other 12 examples?

Col 3:5; Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry.
Was idolatry against the commandments?

Hello B-A-C.

You quoted from Paul's letter to the Colossians;

Col 3:5; Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, i
mpurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry.

Then you asked;

Was idolatry against the commandments?

We will supply an additional verse to maintain context and facilitate
a correct rendering of the verse in question.

Colossians 3
5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.
6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience,
7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.
8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth.
9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds,
10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him,

It should be obvious that Paul is not stating that obedience to a
commandment is required. Paul is calling for the death sentence,
the execution of the flesh, the deeds of the flesh must be crucified.
This is what putting on the new man in Christ, the image of Christ
entails.

You do not tickle the flesh with a commandment, you crucify the
entire flesh so that you may gain immortality. A commandment shows
that you have the symptom of death within, so let the flesh die.

You may not have noticed B-A-C, but Paul is referring to the works of
the flesh. Look at line eight carefully. Anger, wrath, maice, blasphemy and
filthy language, these apects of the flesh are not covered by the
ten commandments. When Paul quotes a commandment it is only ever
as a reference to expose sin. In doing this Paul is simply telling the
audience that they have as yet not attained the Spiritual life in Christ.

That they have all the symptoms of the fleshly existence in Christ. This
is not the new life in Christ, a new creation in Christ. That is why Paul
lists the symptoms that expose the flesh.
Romans 7
24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!


This is the state that anyone who attempts to obey the commandments
should arrive at. Who will deliver us from this body of death, the flesh?

Since the Colossians have the works of the flesh evident then the prescription
issued is the death sentence for the flesh.

"since you have put off the old man with his deeds".

Crucify the flesh B-A-C, show no pity or remorse.

By the way, idolatry was against the Law of Moses for the Jews.

 

[james1523]

I wonder why Paul (the Apostle to the Gentiles) would tell the Corinthians (who weren't Jews) to keep the commandments?

He didn't tell them to keep the Law of Moses. If he did then gentiles must also be circumcised and not eat pork etc. He used as example of why they should love one another.

This was Paul's command (Gal 5:13)
You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one another in love.