Not under the Law?

[B-A-C]

Hello B-A-C.

Jiggyfly is extending the love of God to all mankind.

I hope and I pray that he is correct, I am not as
confident and I hope that I am wrong.

1 Timothy 4:10
For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope
on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.

I suspect most people won't be saved.
Luk 13:23 And someone said to Him, "Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?" And He said to them,
Luk 13:24 "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Mat 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
Mat 7:14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Mat 7:17 "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
Mat 7:18 "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
Mat 7:19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Mat 7:20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits.

Rev 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8 "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Mat 25:41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

You know, Satan told Adam and Eve the same thing. We won't die even if we disobey God.
Gen 3:3 but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'"
Gen 3:4 The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!
Gen 3:5 "For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
But in Gen 5:5 it says Adam died.

If everyone is saved, all of the verses above are a lie.
Yes Jesus paid the penalty, the price for all mankind. But we still have to accept him and believe in him.

Believing in Jesus... I am genuinely curious, what does that mean to you? What do we have to believe about him? Or do we even need to?

 

[David777]

Hello brakelite.

Yes, that is why I hope you and I are wrong
and the reconciliation of Christ overcomes
all opposition and death for everyone.

 

[brakelite]

Hey brakelite, if you have the righteousness of Christ
then you do not need to step on any scales.

Why would you bother to fulfill the letter of the law
when Christ has already fulfilled the law for the Jews
and all mankind.

That was a quote from Moody, and what he was saying was that "if God commanded him" he was ready to get on the scales. But I understand where you are coming from. We are not to continually judge ourselves by our performance. We are to merely focus on our relationship. It is our relationship however that is judged by our performance. Our faith is judged by our works. Without works, our faith is dead. Works being the fruit of faith, they are the verification of how real our faith is.That is why our works have such prominence in the judgement.
But to focus on 'working' we can get ourselves into all sorts of difficulty, including all the extremes of legalism.

I know it may seem to you and others that I focus too much on the law. The thing is I only do so because you and others think so little of it, to the point of repudiating it altogether. Therefore I do what Christ in me motivates me to do, and what He did when He walked this earth. He exalted the law and made it honourable. I am merely walking in His steps, perhaps falteringly, certainly not with the same sized boots, but I am assured by the Holy Spirit in me that I am walking at least in the same direction, and with the same goal in mind.

Ro 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Eph 6:6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;

1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification,

 

[brakelite]

Hi David. That was BAC who you are replying to, not me. But I will say something if I may. If everyone, in the sense of the universalist, is to be saved, I would rather not go to heaven. Now is the time to prepare our characters for eternity. Now is the time for yielding ourselves to God that He may prepare us for the company of holy angels and be able to stand in the presence of God blameless and spotless. This does not happen or take place after we are dead. Now is the time, later is too late. This is the purpose of sanctification. Justification is our licence to heaven, sanctification is our fitness for heaven. If unholy unsanctified unrighteous men and women are permitted into heaven we will have to go through all this pain and heartache again. No thanks. That is not the heaven described in the scriptures. And that is precisely why we must be urgent in our witnessing and publishing of the gospel. The full gospel. The gospel that is the power of God unto salvation.

 

[David777]

Hello B-A-C.

John 3:17-18
For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world,
but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes
in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged
already, because he has not believed in the name of the only
begotten Son of God.

One must believe that Jesus died and shed His blood to reconcile
us to the Father. Jesus then rose from the dead, death had been
conquered. Jesus Himself is the New Covenant.

Isaiah 42:6
“I am the Lord, I have called You in righteousness, I will also hold
You by the hand and watch over You, And I will appoint You as a
covenant to the people, As a light to the nations,

Christ is the New Covenant which has been established by the death
and shed blood of Christ. If you believe in Jesus then you are a signatory
to the New Covenant. Covenants are established by agreement on both
sides.

The law of Moses was a covenant agreed upon by physical Israel and
God. Gentiles were not signatories to this old covenant B-A-C.


That is why when Paul speaks to the Gentiles the law is not "law"
in the sense of the old covenant. But more of a rule to illustrate
deeds of the flesh, factions, slander, etc.

See Gentiles were never UNDER the law as such, so the decree
of the council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) was four simple rules.

It is so simple B-A-C.

 

[David777]

Christ has already seated us in the heavenly places brakelite.

Ephesians 2
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ
(by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

I am already in my heavenly seat, this is not my interpretation.

This is what the scripture attests to.

Surrender brakelite and let go of the Jewish law, you
are not a member of that old covenant.

 

[B-A-C]

Hello B-A-C.

John 3:17-18
For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world,
but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes
in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged
already, because he has not believed in the name of the only
begotten Son of God.

One must believe that Jesus died and shed His blood to reconcile
us to the Father. Jesus then rose from the dead, death had been
conquered. Jesus Himself is the New Covenant.

Isaiah 42:6
“I am the Lord, I have called You in righteousness, I will also hold
You by the hand and watch over You, And I will appoint You as a
covenant to the people, As a light to the nations,

Christ is the New Covenant which has been established by the death
and shed blood of Christ. If you believe in Jesus then you are a signatory
to the New Covenant. Covenants are established by agreement on both
sides.

The law of Moses was a covenant agreed upon by physical Israel and
God. Gentiles were not signatories to this old covenant B-A-C.


That is why when Paul speaks to the Gentiles the law is not "law"
in the sense of the old covenant. But more of a rule to illustrate
deeds of the flesh, factions, slander, etc.

See Gentiles were never UNDER the law as such, so the decree
of the council of Jerusalem (Acts 15) was four simple rules.

It is so simple B-A-C.

So, at least you do say above that we need to believe in Jesus. That's a big step.
Also, you seem to agree that the law "illustrated the deeds of the flesh", but is that the same thing as showing us what SIN is?
Finally you say, the Gentiles were never under the law, so my question here is, even we never were, should we not try to obey them now?
If not? Why not?
And back to my question about believing in Jesus, what do we need to believe about him? Simply that he existed?
Judaism, Islam, and secular historians all agree that he was a real person that existed.
You say above we must believe that he died and rose again to reconcile us with father. Another big step.
Reconcile us for what in what way?

 

[B-A-C]

One must believe that Jesus died and shed His blood to reconcile
us to the Father. Jesus then rose from the dead, death had been
conquered. Jesus Himself is the New Covenant.

Christ is the New Covenant which has been established by the death
and shed blood of Christ. If you believe in Jesus then you are a signatory
to the New Covenant. Covenants are established by agreement on both
sides.

Its great that say we must believe these things to be saved, if this is the case, then I would estimate at least 90% of the world will not be saved.
Atheists, Muslims, Hindu's, and many others do not believe that "he rose again".

 

[will]

God calls us to live righteous and holy lives. We cannot do so in our own strength, but what is impossible for man, is possible for God. We can do all things through Christ who strengthens us. Thus the righteousness in which we live is not our own, but is that righteousness which Jesus said we are to hunger and thirst for. A righteousness that is not an abstract theory, but a righteousness that is reflected in a sanctified life. Wholly conformable to God's commandments. Grace gives us more than just eternal rewards. It also gives us power to become children of God. A gospel without the power is only half the gospel.
Oh, and Paul tells us that if we are children, we are servants.....servants of righteousness.

Brakelite, I really agree with what you wrote here.

Jiggyfly, according to what Brakelite wrote above, he *does not* believe in The Lord + works = salvation. Wouldn't you agree?

After reading the whole thread, I didn't see one thing mentioned: Growth.

If someone asked a Christian: What exactly does God want us to do?
Romans 8:29 would be the answer: "For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers."

This to me settles the disputes about the law (any Old Testament laws) because by being conformed to the image of God's Son, I would -- as the result, be above the law. If fact that is the only way for me to "fulfill" the law.

This also shows the genius of the new covenant based on grace, and why it works so well, because God -- through the sacrifice of His own Son -- provided for us not only the way but also the power source to achieve the above.

Consider this, if a Christian walks around thinking that his spiritual growth depends on his own understanding and will power, that would be so sad, but also understandable, if the said Christian is a baby one. But once the Christian started to realize that only total submission to the Holy Spirit within him and the immersion of the Scripture would trigger the expansion (by God through the Holy Spirit) of his understanding and capacity to love others, his obsession with this newfound power and freedom will start to materialize.

At this stage, he is ready to do the Great Commission given by His Lord (Matthew 28:19-20).
At this stage, he wouldn't be thinking and mulling about the laws anymore, he'd be too busy enjoying the freedom in Christ (Matthew 11:28-30) and too passionate in spreading the Gospel to argue with others about it.
At this stage, the Christian starts to be grown by God and would look different to the world, he'd start to look like his Savior.

That's where the Apostles were at the end of their lives, that's where the ancient Christians saints were, that's also where the modern saints and mature Christians are, and that's where I am going towards.

 

[spirit1st]

We LOOK Perfectly like our LORD at Salvation ! We being the Spirit within ! Our flesh is not changed nor will it ever be ! He did not die to make our flesh perfect ! He died that we could have perfect Spirits ! The Holy perfect Child of GOD is our spirit! Once born of GOD perfect Seed !

1Pe_1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


Joh_3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh_3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh_3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.


Eze_11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Eze_18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze_36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.


Rom_1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son

Rom_8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


Gal_6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit

Phm_1:25 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen

Rom_7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:

 

[B-A-C]

We LOOK Perfectly like our LORD at Salvation ! We being the Spirit within ! Our flesh is not changed nor will it ever be ! He did not die to make our flesh perfect ! He died that we could have perfect Spirits ! The Holy perfect Child of GOD is our spirit! Once born of GOD perfect Seed !

1Pe_1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.


Joh_3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh_3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh_3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.


Eze_11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Eze_18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Eze_36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

What does this verse have to do with Gentiles?

Rom 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son

Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


Gal_6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit

Phm_1:25 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen

Rom_7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing:

So in our flesh, there is still sin?

Mat 6:12 'And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
Mat 6:13 'And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. [For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory

forever. Amen.]'
Luke 11:4 'And forgive us our sins, For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.'"

So Christians can't sin? I wonder why Jesus told us to ask for forgiveness?

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
Rom 6:2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?

I wonder why Paul says we can still sin here?

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!
Rom 6:16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed,

He goes on to say we can still be slaves to sin if we choose to.

Eph 4:26 BE ANGRY, AND yet DO NOT SIN; do not let the sun go down on your anger,
Eph 4:27 and do not give the devil an opportunity.
Eph 4:28 He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need.
Eph 4:29 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.
Eph 4:30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.

Again, we are told not to sin, and he gives some examples of ways to sin.

Eph 5:3 But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints;
Eph 5:4 and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Eph 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

These verses are't written to unbelievers, but to the church in Ephesus.

Eph 5:7 Therefore do not be partakers with them;
Eph 5:8 for you were formerly darkness, but now you are Light in the Lord; walk as children of Light
Eph 5:9 (for the fruit of the Light consists in all goodness and righteousness and truth),
Eph 5:10 trying to learn what is pleasing to the Lord.
Eph 5:11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

Are we automatically totally changed at the moment of salvation? Or is growth and sanctification an on-going process?

Rom 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.
Tit 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

These verse say it is by continual re-washing and re-newing.
I'm not talking about losing our salvation here, or saying our salvation depends on following the law, but I am saying we still sin after we become Christians.

 

[brakelite]

Christ has already seated us in the heavenly places brakelite.

Ephesians 2
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ
(by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

I am already in my heavenly seat, this is not my interpretation.

This is what the scripture attests to.

Surrender brakelite and let go of the Jewish law, you
are not a member of that old covenant.


Again, despite the obvious, you still contend that the law is Jewish!!! So according to you, murder is only against God's law for a Jew???? If a non-Jewish Christian such as I, or even a non-Jewish non-Christian should in a fit of rage and kill his wife or neighbour, you are saying I/he would not be guilty of murder in God's eyes??? Is that what you mean by claiming to be above the law???? Is that what being seated in heavenly places means to you? That the Ten Commandments no longer has any claim whatsoever on you, that you are free to disobey at will because "you believe Jesus died for your sins"????? This is the New Covenant?

If you believe that, or any part of that for that matter, what you believe is worse than Catholic indulgences. At least they pay for theirs with money or prayers or service; you are claiming a universal indulgence on the price of our Saviour blood! Please, spare us all from your law-lessness.

 

[spirit1st]

1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


1Jn_5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


Only our Spirit that cannot sin and is the Child of GOD! Our spirit is the temple of GOd ! where He never Leaves or forsakes! We All dwell all our lives here in sin filled bodies1 until we leave them ! which we all do !

 

[B-A-C]

1Jn_3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


1Jn_5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Rom_8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


Only our Spirit that cannot sin and is the Child of GOD! Our spirit is the temple of GOd ! where He never Leaves or forsakes! We All dwell all our lives here in sin filled bodies1 until we leave them ! which we all do !

Let's take each of these in context, and see what they mean.

1Jn 3:6; No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
1Jn 3:7; Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
1Jn 3:8; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9; No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

Now either this verse means we should try not to continue to sin, or else it means if you sin at all you aren't a Christian.

1Jn 5:16; If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this.
1Jn 5:17; All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not leading to death.
1Jn 5:18; We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.

This doesn't say we don't sin, it says we shouldn't continue to sin.

Rom 8:8; and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9; However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
Rom 8:10; If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11; But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Rom 8:12; So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh--
Rom 8:13; for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

Don't live by the flesh, don't continue to live in sin, or you will. It doesn't say you can't sin, it says you shouldn't sin.

 

[will]

We LOOK Perfectly like our LORD at Salvation ! We being the Spirit within ! Our flesh is not changed nor will it ever be ! He did not die to make our flesh perfect ! He died that we could have perfect Spirits ! The Holy perfect Child of GOD is our spirit! Once born of GOD perfect Seed !

So when the Lord gave out the Great Commission, to whom was it addressed to? The spirit within or the flesh?
If the flesh does not undergo transformation as the result of spiritual growth, how do you propose us to share the Gospel to an unbelieving world?

See, this is how knowledge without altered perspective (brought about by total submission to the Holy Spirit's teaching) is detrimental to our reading the Scriptures.

We (Christians) are supposed to be the light and salt of the world, correct? How do we do that with "perfect spirit" and unchanged flesh? Can the world see the witness of our spirit? No, all they see is our physical body that carries the attitude, which is exactly how the fruit of the Spirit (not the fruit of our own doing) is manifested.

We are instantly adopted as sons and daughters of God when we hear the Gospel and believe, but we do not automatically become mature spiritually. For a clear example, see 1 Corinthians 3:1-3.

 

[spirit1st]

It Only our spirit that is the Child of GOD ! all our flesh bodies die because of SIN !

Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:

Act_7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.


Eph_2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

2Co_4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


1Co_2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.


1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.



Rom_8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:


Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

2Co_4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.


1Pe_3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

Eph_2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph_4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Col_3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:


2Co_5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Gal_6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.


Eph_3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;


Rom_8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit,

Rom_6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

2Pe_1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
IT ALL in our Spirit Man!!!

 

[B-A-C]

It Only our spirit that is the Child of GOD ! all our flesh bodies die because of SIN !

Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:

Act_7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.


Eph_2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

2Co_4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.


1Co_2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.


1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.



Rom_8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:


Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

2Co_4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.


1Pe_3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

Eph_2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph_4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Col_3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:


2Co_5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Gal_6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.


Eph_3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;


Rom_8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit,

Rom_6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

2Pe_1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
IT ALL in our Spirit Man!!!

Ahhh, I see. So no one is going to hell at all?
Is it OK to murder, steal, covet, lust, lie to you, lie about you?
Now doing those things won't keep you out of heaven, but does that mean we shouldn't do them?

Rom 6:12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts,
Rom 6:13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

Rom 7:23 but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.

Rom 13:13 Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy.
Rom 13:14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.

Eph 5:3 But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints;
Eph 5:4 and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:5 For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Eph 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.

1 Tim 6:20 O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called "knowledge"--
1 Tim 6:21 which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith. Grace be with you.

Eph 5:7 Therefore do not be partakers with them;


Jud 1:4 For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly
persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

 

[David777]

It Only our spirit that is the Child of GOD ! all our flesh bodies die because of SIN !

hello spirit1st.

Nice selection of versus.

2Co_5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:
old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Gal_6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing,
nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

A brand new creation in Christ, already seated with Christ.

Why do people quote "commandments" that were applied
to the flesh when we are a new creation. New creatures,
a brand new creation in Christ, holy as he is holy. We
have the righteousness of Christ!

 

[B-A-C]

hello spirit1st.

Nice selection of versus.

2Co_5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature:
old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Gal_6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing,
nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

A brand new creation in Christ, already seated with Christ.

Why do people quote "commandments" that were applied
to the flesh when we are a new creation. New creatures,
a brand new creation in Christ, holy as he is holy. We
have the righteousness of Christ!

So if we used to sin, before we "became a new creature". What should we do now?
Continue to sin?

Eph 2:1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,
Eph 2:2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience

 

[Acebopata]

If you where to ask me, I know that god will forgive me if I fall into sin, because I have accepted Jesus as my savior and I have a relationship with him. However, That by no means I can hold a license to sin, nor does it mean I can pick and chose portions of the bible to ignore. Jesus gave us specif marching orders, including not to sin. And sin is more than breaking the Ten Commandments, It can include many objects, such as necromancy, beasaility, homosexuality, and several other issues, mentioned by both Jesus and the apostles. However, there are some parts of the law that Jesus fulfilled such as animal sacrifices and other said issues. In fact, If you where to Do what exactly just the new Testimant tells us to do, your actions would be very similar to following the law in a lot of ways.