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I don't think the people in hell/hades will know one way or another, for all that there will be is darkness, burning heat, and weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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many or few?
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Our physical incorruptible glorified bodies will not be with the Lord until HE comes for the Ekklesia. Those that have died in Christ have spiritually been with HIM, patiently waiting for their icorruptible glorified bodies. I can't tell you whether their spirits are running around naked or not. But so what if they are? There is no shame for those that are in Christ.
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The paradise Jesus spoke of was Abraham's Bosom, where Jesus would descend to to take captivity captive and lead them all to heaven to wait patiently for their incorruptible glorified bodies.
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They are blinded because they have rejected the only begotten Son of God - Messiah. They have committed blasphemy against God. They are prideful and prefer the traditions of men over the truth of God.
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Here, it's quite simple: in hell are the unsaved, in heaven are the saved. Neither goodness nor badness is of any consequence. All we are sinners deserving of hell, but God saves the repentant faithful.
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FAQ: Doesn't the Bible say that God's mercy endures forever as per Ps 100:5, Ps
106:1, Ps 107:1, and Ps 118:1, et al?
A: God's mercy is always available; but His good sense knows when to say when
with some folk.
Examples of that are the people swept away by the hand of God in the Flood, and
those burned to death by the hand of God in Sodom and Gomorrah; and the
firstborn of man and beast slain by the hand of God on Passover night in Egypt.
It's possible to push God too far. For example:
• Hos 4:17 . . Ephraim is joined to idols; let him alone.
In other words: God instructed the prophet Hosea not to bother preaching in
Ephraim. They were too far gone.
UPDATE: 183 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 11,368,692 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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106:1, Ps 107:1, and Ps 118:1, et al?
A: God's mercy is always available; but His good sense knows when to say when
with some folk.
Examples of that are the people swept away by the hand of God in the Flood, and
those burned to death by the hand of God in Sodom and Gomorrah; and the
firstborn of man and beast slain by the hand of God on Passover night in Egypt.
It's possible to push God too far. For example:
• Hos 4:17 . . Ephraim is joined to idols; let him alone.
In other words: God instructed the prophet Hosea not to bother preaching in
Ephraim. They were too far gone.
UPDATE: 183 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 11,368,692 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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Blessings,
Kindly explain how you arrive at your daily figures, most recent as 11,368,692.
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The word for "few" in Greek is "oligoi" and is found elsewhere when speaking of the eschatological few that will be saved, which includes the dead and those alive at the parousia. Peter specifically uses oligoi to describe eight people saved out of perhaps billions left to perish in the flood. You would probably be safe to increase your latest figure by 50-80 percent.
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The law of God says: Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, burning for burning, and life for
life.
Where does that leave people like Ted Kaczynski who killed and/or maimed 26
people with homemade bombs; and leave mass murderers like Stephen Paddock
who indiscriminately sprayed a music concert in Las Vegas with a rifle equipped
with a bump stock resulting in 471 dead and/or wounded? How are those guys
supposed to balance the scales of justice for all those people?
The law of God also prohibits dishonesty. Well; supposing somebody has been less
than totally honest upwards of 200 incidents in their lifetime? How are they
supposed to balance the scales of justice for all that?
Well; the fact of the matter is: they can't balance the scales; which is no doubt at
least one of the reasons why Hell and the lake of fire are so permanent. And even if
they weren't permanent, they'd at least have to be very long-running in order to
satisfy justice for some folk.
UPDATE: 184 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 11,430,816 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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life.
Where does that leave people like Ted Kaczynski who killed and/or maimed 26
people with homemade bombs; and leave mass murderers like Stephen Paddock
who indiscriminately sprayed a music concert in Las Vegas with a rifle equipped
with a bump stock resulting in 471 dead and/or wounded? How are those guys
supposed to balance the scales of justice for all those people?
The law of God also prohibits dishonesty. Well; supposing somebody has been less
than totally honest upwards of 200 incidents in their lifetime? How are they
supposed to balance the scales of justice for all that?
Well; the fact of the matter is: they can't balance the scales; which is no doubt at
least one of the reasons why Hell and the lake of fire are so permanent. And even if
they weren't permanent, they'd at least have to be very long-running in order to
satisfy justice for some folk.
UPDATE: 184 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 11,430,816 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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Where does the sinner go for salvation?
The one who worships another god: where does he go for forgiveness and salvation?
The idolator: where does he go for forgiveness and salvation?
The blasphemer: where does he go?
The one who rejects keeping sabbath day holy: where does he go?
The one who dishonors his parents?
The murderer?
The adulterer?
The thief?
The liar?
The covetous?
Where does any sinner go for forgiveness and salvation? Look to the Cross and the empty tomb and bow down to the risen Christ Jesus.
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@Beetow -- apparently you're basing all those statistics on a good-works based salvation. IF a person's being in heaven for All eternity is based on their good works -- None of us would be there. We'd All be in hell / lake of fire and brimstone ForEver and Ever. There would be No getting out after a while because we'd 'served our time'. And there would be no one in there for an extra-long time because they'd been extra-horrible.
Maybe you're equating hell / lake of fire and brimstone with the RCC purgatory. That Eventually all those hundreds of thousands of people will end up in heaven Eventually.
What we need to be doing -- is taking opportunity Now to share the Gospel unto salvation with all who will listen, so that fewer people will end up 'down there'.
Maybe you're equating hell / lake of fire and brimstone with the RCC purgatory. That Eventually all those hundreds of thousands of people will end up in heaven Eventually.
What we need to be doing -- is taking opportunity Now to share the Gospel unto salvation with all who will listen, so that fewer people will end up 'down there'.
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That is very RCC
I remember in the bad old days when not going to church on Sundays was a mortal sin.
And as good little Catholics we all knew what that meant for our souls.
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I, too, was raised in a SRCC - Strict Roman Catholic Church family. No longer do I identify as RC. I'm a nondenominational disciple of Jesus. And I am fully aware that my assembling with other like-minded believers has no bearing on my salvation. I was simply illustrating how the Ten Commandments are God's moral law, how we all break them, most if not all of them, and that regardless of the number of laws we break or the number of times we've broken them, we all have sinned and there is only one way to the forgiveness of our sins and one way to eternal salvation.
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This thread has never been about the road to Heaven; it has always been about the
road to Hell.
If you would rather talk about the road to Heaven, then I would like very much for
you to put your thoughts on hold, leave this thread immediately, and go start a thread
of your own instead of disrupting this one.
What I say to one; I say to all. Either stay on-topic or stay away. Don't make a
nuisance of yourself by muddying the waters with digressive comments,
complaining, and fault finding.
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• Jonah 4:9-11 . . God said to Jonah: Do you have a right to be angry about the
vine? I do; he said. I am angry enough to die. But the Lord said: You have been
concerned about this vine, though you did not tend it or make it grow. It sprang up
overnight and died overnight. But Nineveh has more than a hundred and twenty
thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left, and many cattle as
well. Should I not be concerned about that great city?
Had not the adults of Nineveh changed their ways from Jonah's preaching, 120,000
small children would have died through no fault of their own. They would have been
collateral damage due to their parents' decadence.
NOTE: Though the city was spared in Jonah's day, a hundred years later in Nahum's
day it was destroyed by means of war and conquest; whereby a whole new
generation of pre-schoolers died before their time.
Just exactly how God is able to engineer such things is a bit of a mystery; but does
make one wonder where else this terrifying work of His goes on. Did God somehow
have a hand in the American civil war, and the first and second world wars, and the
Holocaust, and in Korea and Vietnam, and in the so-called Arab Spring, and in the
pandemics, the ethnic cleansings, ISIS, the housing bubble, and the genocides of
the last century, and in natural events like mighty earthquakes, tsunamis, and
super storms? I really have to wonder sometimes because Jonah's God is still out
there somewhere; and so-called acts of God are still taking young lives.
UPDATE: 187 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 11,617,188 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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vine? I do; he said. I am angry enough to die. But the Lord said: You have been
concerned about this vine, though you did not tend it or make it grow. It sprang up
overnight and died overnight. But Nineveh has more than a hundred and twenty
thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left, and many cattle as
well. Should I not be concerned about that great city?
Had not the adults of Nineveh changed their ways from Jonah's preaching, 120,000
small children would have died through no fault of their own. They would have been
collateral damage due to their parents' decadence.
NOTE: Though the city was spared in Jonah's day, a hundred years later in Nahum's
day it was destroyed by means of war and conquest; whereby a whole new
generation of pre-schoolers died before their time.
Just exactly how God is able to engineer such things is a bit of a mystery; but does
make one wonder where else this terrifying work of His goes on. Did God somehow
have a hand in the American civil war, and the first and second world wars, and the
Holocaust, and in Korea and Vietnam, and in the so-called Arab Spring, and in the
pandemics, the ethnic cleansings, ISIS, the housing bubble, and the genocides of
the last century, and in natural events like mighty earthquakes, tsunamis, and
super storms? I really have to wonder sometimes because Jonah's God is still out
there somewhere; and so-called acts of God are still taking young lives.
UPDATE: 187 days have elapsed since my first comment. If the figures in post No.5
are in the ball park, then something like 11,617,188 new arrivals have checked into
the fiery sector of Hades since Oct 08, 2020.
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Whatever God does, i.e., destroy individual people, nations of people, or the whole world, it is HIS sovereign prerogative, because it is all HIS to do with as he pleases.
God created it ALL for HIS purpose. HE purposed when ALL began, and HE will purpose when it ALL ends. That's who God is: HE IS GOD.
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There is no shame in being naked, it is who man truly is. From the fall onwards, makind has covered himself with a facade, a fake rendition of the true person. This is why so many christians are embracing that choice, so we can try and get back to the truth in christ and ourselves. I am here to tell you, it works, and its in favor with my mighty God, my dear friend , counsellor and redeemer. The naked unadulterarted truth, not the manmade gospels and false ideology. Stay in the truth.