Interpretaion of Tongues

[Br. Bear]

@B-A-C
Greetings Brother,

Thank you for your reply @B-A-C

stay tuned....
will be back!

Bless you ....><>

thank you for your patience .... about a month and a half of it!

Before i jump in, may i put forth a snippet?
On the 'Day of Pentecost', when Peter stood up and explained what was going on to the hearers of the tongues, could that be understood to be Peter manifesting the gift of Interpretation of Tongues?

back to your post. Please excuse if it comes through a little seedy, as in not yet a full blown yielded meal. I am currently a little light headed and not necessarily too coherent, which some may shrug and say, "well, what's new?!" anyway, Jesus is Lord, let us praise Him.

I will quote your post and add replies to it, so please open the quote and scroll through.

Yes, I am saying there is a private prayer language of tongues.
THEREFORE, given the 'spiritual gifts' of which tongues and interpretation of tongues are members of, and the seeming instruction(?) that all the 'gifts' are for the building up of the Body, with the so called, "private prayer language of tongues" is that somehow granted some exclusion from the 'rule' and not needing interpretation?
I suppose another way to come at that could be, is there any indication given that tongues should always have interpretation? This of course does also raise the question of the validity of 'personal' gift use... but i am trying to avoid straying too far from the topic into other related points, which historically, become the center stage and the topic gets left in the dust.



Yes and no, you are mixing two different things here. The entire congregation may pray "privately" (somewhat quietly) to God. That's OK.
But no, the entire congregation should not be speaking loudly in tongues in a church service. The Bible say by two, or at the most three. That's far from the entire congregation at my church.
Also it says if tongues are spoken out to the assembly (congregation) there MUST be an interpreter. So if there is no interpretation, there shouldn't be tongues in this case.
MAY i ask, where can we get and clearly get and read and see this in the Bible?
Yes and no, you are mixing two different things here. The entire congregation may pray "privately" (somewhat quietly) to God. That's OK. I ask, because it does seem a little extra Biblical. I know that you do not have the patent on that sort of statement and that it is something commonly 'understood'(?) by some.


That isn't what I see in the Bible, and in visting literally over a hundred Pentecostal/Charismatic churches, I've never seen it done that way.
I gave you at least 4 scriptures that say "to you" or to "the assembly/congregation".
I don't have a problem with tongues being for Jews and Gentiles, in fact it has no bearing at all upon the gift of tongues.
The purpose is definitely edifying.
That isn't what I see in the Bible, what isn't? My point suggested was that it was 'speaking to God' - scroll up^

1Cor 14:6; But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or of prophecy or of teaching?
1Cor 14:7; Yet even lifeless things, either flute or harp, in producing a sound, if they do not produce a distinction in the tones, how will it be known what is played on the flute or on the harp?
1Cor 14:8; For if the bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle?
1Cor 14:9; So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.
1Cor 14:10; There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning.
1Cor 14:11; If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me.

MAY i cut it this way?
looking at who is writing, being an Apostle, and also one who would come to congregations/assemblies of Believers to teach and preach the Gospel, it is quite obvious that he would come and talk to hearers. Therefore, verse 6 , if I come to you speaking tongues, how are you going to know what i say, as hearers.... it won't. 'I' would have to "speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or of prophecy or of teaching"
Also, following your reply,
That isn't what I see in the Bible, and in visting literally over a hundred Pentecostal/Charismatic churches, I've never seen it done that way.
I gave you at least 4 scriptures that say "to you" or to "the assembly/congregation".
and my previous comment, "Some might even suggest that speaking in tongues is purely, speaking to God, as in, a way that the LORD has add-ministered, providing a way unique to the Believers/Church to manifest that which was prophesied, in which case, interpretation is a co-worker in the manifold grace of God, to not only Gentiles but Greeks and Jews, too, all of which would definitely be edifying and strengthening."
do we have evidence of times when a man of God speaking to the LORD witnessed to the people?

[and, as a side note, and nothing at all personal, but as an observation to be considered in matters pertaining to things Biblical based, although a man declares what he experiences to be proof or evidence of something, even after hundreds of times, can we say that is a defininite fact? Say, for example, a man claims to have been going to any particular gatherings of any of the many differing doctrinal persuasions, does that immediately and irrevocably determine his experience to be sound and according to the will of God? Pick a denomination or cult or even another religion. It is a case of needing to have universal standard and rule in a matter. If my submission can be validated on my quantative experience, then that becomes the regulation for judging and upholding all peoples views/claims/understandings/proofs. I realise this is potentially debateable and certainly the 'experience' of a Christian does to some degree call out for justification of the faith as opposed, or in contrast, to other 'faiths', or lack of them, but here we enter into the power of God verses the lack of. The testimony of God verses the lack thereof.]


Picture it this way. You are God and you speak Portugese. No one in the church speaks Portugese. (well it's possible someone might)
I tell the congregation what you said in Portugese. Since no speaks Portugese, it's kind of useless unless someone interprets.
Now what I have seen, is usually it's a person who doesn't know the language do the interpretation. In some rare cases, there was a person there that did speak that language.
They interpret what was said in the other language.
BROTHER, can we look also at this way?
an easy way to put it, being 2021, imagine a gathering at the UN headquarters. All ambassadors there from the many countries, begin to praise the LORD [oh how good that would be!!!] and yet, they would need interpretation, which they have.
Not the best example, so i will go again...
Today we are very much used to our language and also, [this is important...] the fact that the Bible has been translated into many different languages and that is because NOW so many people all over the world have heard and believe the Gospel that was preached unto them, so we can easily forget that back then [Pentecost and prior to then] that was NOT the case. The GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was kept in by the LORD for the nation of Israel ONLY and only they could and did praise the LORD. Perhaps some ex Babylonian exile families and people might have, in whatever language they spoke but they, too, were of Israel. Pentecost saw the nations praising the LORD as a never before event and as a timely revealing of the power of God prophesied many times many years prior to then.
From there, it was when the Apostle Paul was called to go to the Gentiles [Nations] that the Gospel started to be preached around the world. The LORD sent others also in the following times. Tongues and Interpretation of tongues would have been very much a profitable gifting to the Body.
Some say things about cessation etc, but perhaps they overlook the bit about how the locals, who all had their own tongue [mostly] were not seeing any manifestation of Tongues and the Interpretation of Tongues because it was not needed to tell the Gospel and/or praise the LORD... because they had one unified language. People tend to think locally and forget that in the wider world, things are often different from our local experience. We can be very limiting in doing so, but most can be found 'guilty' of it.
I suggest, also, that as assemblies grew in maturity and size, the pattern of the different language speakers grouping together would have been fairly logical and sensible? After all, what would be the sense of attending a Portugese fellowship if, around the town there was a group who spoke Spanish.... or instead of Greek, spoke Swahili? It would be plausible that even then, people from different tongues might attend the meetings and in that case, Interpretation would be needed.
Here at TalkJesus we speak GOD's praise [or we should] in English. Totally unheard of before Pentecost and in fact for hundreds of years after. If i was to write all this in Russian, who would understand? [It is hard enough speaking in Br. Bear language!- hence, sometimes even needing some kind person to interpret what i write for everyone! ]


First of all there shouldn't be un-ruly, un-orderly yelling out in the church in any language. Especially not by the entire congregation. Who knows who said what to who.
The Bible says by 2 or 3. No more.

Now if we are worshiping in English together, singing together, by all means be as loud as you like. But speaking in tongues is another matter.
AGAIN, if we took a couple of dozen languages from around the world today, and everyone spake their speak, what a kerbubble of a kerbabble that would be. It would not edify anyone.

GOD has an order to all things. We see it in the many inventions man makes, also. Cut the wire on your ignition and what can your truck do? Take the chain off your Bike and how far will you ride? Remove all the gaps between the words of a book and try to read it. We see it also in all creation. Take the clouds away, do away will cell walls, remove the sun.... where ever we go in all GOD has made, there is order and purpose for praise and so much is all for us little people, for our good. Sadly we can see that when Jesus is taken out of the equation, disharmony and disorder and violence and evil result.
Let us PRAISE THE LORD

Bless you ....><>

 

[PloughBoy]

Rom 8:26; In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;
1Cor 14:14; For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

Many times in life, we don't know how to pray.
Sometimes it's because of spiritual immaturity. God help me win the lottery. God help my team win. God make that person die.

But other times, we simply don't know what God wants to do.
Someone is in a bad abusive relationship. They are married, there is a baby. The boyfriends parents are too involved in drugs to be responsible.
The girlfriend's mom has passed away, and her dad will take care of the baby, but doesn't want to have anything to do with the girl. The girl has no real work skills, and can not afford day-care/babysitting.
So what do we pray for? They break up? They get saved? They get married? The girl finds someone to take care of her and the baby? The girl gives the baby up?

It's an all too common story. I've seen similar stories many times (I'm sure a lot of us have) but we don't know exactly what to pray for, so we pray in the Spirit.
Our hearts burn with compassion, and we want the situation to get better. But we don't know what God wants to do here. So we pray in the Spirit.

Eph 6:18; With all prayer and petition pray at all times in the Spirit, and with this in view, be on the alert with all perseverance and petition for all the saints,

"Walk in and shut The Door' and say;

"Our Father which are in Heaven"
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Then open The Door and walk out

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our FATHER:

 

[Born Again 2004]

@B-A-C
Greetings Brother,



thank you for your patience .... about a month and a half of it!

Before i jump in, may i put forth a snippet?
On the 'Day of Pentecost', when Peter stood up and explained what was going on to the hearers of the tongues, could that be understood to be Peter manifesting the gift of Interpretation of Tongues?

back to your post. Please excuse if it comes through a little seedy, as in not yet a full blown yielded meal. I am currently a little light headed and not necessarily too coherent, which some may shrug and say, "well, what's new?!" anyway, Jesus is Lord, let us praise Him.

I will quote your post and add replies to it, so please open the quote and scroll through.




Bless you ....><>

What you do in private is between you and God; and I think , that has nothing to do "Edifying the Church".

I think that is what St. PAUL was
referring to : any act of "Speaking In Tongues" outside of private should be accompanied by an Interpreter, so a Saint, who listens and doesn't understand the Tongue could be edified!!

That in most circumstances is probably hard to accomplish, so Paul noted that he would rather everyone should Prophesy than use Tongues!

 

[Waggles]

could that be understood to be Peter manifesting the gift of Interpretation of Tongues?

YES this was the first miraculous gift of interpretation given in the church
120 people all speaking at the same time in an upper room and yet outside amidst all the background noise of thousands of people in the city many could hear distinctly what was being said
in their own language. Truly a miracle.
Read Acts 2: 1- 13 carefully for there are many interesting points to query in these verses.

Acts 2:13 But others mocking said [that] They are filled with new wine.
How come some reported that they could understand the speaking of tongues in their own languages, but some claimed that the 120 were drunk??
Most likely not all received the gift of interpretation and those that did not heard the 120 as speaking "gibberish."
A claim often made by many who detest Pentecostal faith and tongues.

 

[Waggles]

What you do in private is between you and God; and I think , that has nothing to do "Edifying the Church".
I think that is what St. PAUL was
referring to : any act of "Speaking In Tongues" outside of private should be accompanied by an Interpreter, so a Saint, who listens and doesn't understand the Tongue could be edified!!
That in most circumstances is probably hard to accomplish, so Paul noted that he would rather everyone should Prophesy than use Tongues!

fortunately those who are of Bible obedient Pentecostal churches do exactly understand what Paul was writing of in his first epistle to the disorderly Corinthians.
And as such we operate at our worship meetings the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit - diversity of tongues, interpretation and prophecy.
All done decently and in order as laid out by Paul in scripture.

1Cor 14:26 What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up.
14:27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.
14:28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.
14:29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said.

This we do. And all of this is separate to the truth that all Pentecostal Christians can speak in tongues when the receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Born Again 2004]

fortunately those who are of Bible obedient Pentecostal churches do exactly understand what Paul was writing of in his first epistle to the disorderly Corinthians.
And as such we operate at our worship meetings the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit - diversity of tongues, interpretation and prophecy.
All done decently and in order as laid out by Paul in scripture.

1Cor 14:26 What then, brothers? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for building up.
14:27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.
14:28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.
14:29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said.

This we do. And all of this is separate to the truth that all Pentecostal Christians can speak in tongues when the receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

So , I gather if one doesn't speak in Tounges, they are not Pentecostal?

Does that then mean if they are not "Tounge Speaking Pentecostal ", they are not Born Again Christian?

 

[Sue D.]

@Waggles -- you kind of suggest that other groups might not be 'Bible obedient' and thus don't exactly understand Paul's writtings?

 

[Sue D.]

@Born Again 2004 -- I was going to ask Waggles the same question regarding being born again Christian.

 

[Born Again 2004]

@Born Again 2004 -- I was going to ask Waggles the same question regarding being born again Christian.

Kinda reminds me of an old joke I once heard about Baptists thinking they are the only ones in Heaven.

I just bought my last house from a nice Baptist Preacher, just now to find out that a real real nice Baptist Preacher is my neighbor!

Just think, "It's a
small world after all" !

 

[Garee]

@B-A-C
Greetings Brother,



thank you for your patience .... about a month and a half of it!

Before i jump in, may i put forth a snippet?
On the 'Day of Pentecost', when Peter stood up and explained what was going on to the hearers of the tongues, could that be understood to be Peter manifesting the gift of Interpretation of Tongues?

back to your post. Please excuse if it comes through a little seedy, as in not yet a full blown yielded meal. I am currently a little light headed and not necessarily too coherent, which some may shrug and say, "well, what's new?!" anyway, Jesus is Lord, let us praise Him.

I will quote your post and add replies to it, so please open the quote and scroll through.


Bless you ....><>

In that way the tongue of God is prophecy. The men and women from all the nation heard the interpretation (scripture) The promise of Joel had come introducing the new order of the priesthood . And the confirmation to the law of prophecy, the tongue of God men from other nation hearing the interpretation of prophecy the tongue of God the gospel tongue . (Isaiah 28) They thought Peter was drunk because God hid the understanding or interpretation from them. . a sign against them.

 

[Born Again 2004]

In that way the tongue of God is prophecy. The men and women from all the nation heard the interpretation (scripture) The promise of Joel had come introducing the new order of the priesthood . And the confirmation to the law of prophecy, the tongue of God men from other nation hearing the interpretation of prophecy the tongue of God the gospel tongue . (Isaiah 28) They thought Peter was drunk because God hid the understanding or interpretation from them. . a sign against them.

Why did Paul say it was better to Prophesy than Speak Toungues?

 

[Waggles]

Why did Paul say it was better to Prophesy than Speak Tongues?

This is from 1Corinthians 14 where Paul lays out the orderly use of the three voice gifts in a church meeting/service.
Speaking in tongues edifies the individual speaker whilst giving prophecy edifies and exhorts the congregation.
But also giving the gift of interpretation also likewise edifies the congregation.

And this is what my church does - tongues followed by interpretation (2 -3 times)
then up to 3 gifts of prophesy.

 

[Born Again 2004]

This is from 1Corinthians 14 where Paul lays out the orderly use of the three voice gifts in a church meeting/service.
Speaking in tongues edifies the individual speaker whilst giving prophecy edifies and exhorts the congregation.
But also giving the gift of interpretation also likewise edifies the congregation.

And this is what my church does - tongues followed by interpretation (2 -3 times)
then up to 3 gifts of prophesy.

Paul was well aware of that, yet he seems to insist on Prophesying to Tongues.
What you gave did not answer my question!

 

[Waggles]

Paul was well aware of that, yet he seems to insist on Prophesying to Tongues.
What you gave did not answer my question!

But I did indeed answer your question for it is the same explanation that Paul gives.
Why do you not just read 1Corinthians 14 for yourself?

1Cor 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
3 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation.
4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. [ESV]

 

[Born Again 2004]

But I did indeed answer your question for it is the same explanation that Paul gives.
Why do you not just read 1Corinthians 14 for yourself?

1Cor 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
3 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation.
4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. [ESV]

I guess I just don't understand you @Waggles , it seems YOUR verses support my understanding!

 

[Garee]

Why did Paul say it was better to Prophesy than Speak Tongues?

Thanks I can try .Sorry in advance for the rambling length

I am not sure where the idea "better" came from and in verse four we know someone added the word "unknown ". (no interpretation from God)

First and foremost the doctrine of tongues has it foundation as a law spoken of ( Isaiah 28) revisited in 1 Corinthians 14: 21 . A warning to corrupted Israel of them making the word of God without effect through "I heard it through the grape vine" as oral traditions of mankind called . . law of the fathers . .

Not all Israel are born again believers.

The Spirit of Christ in verse 14:4 is condemning self edification. Many turn that upside down and look to edify themselves as what they call a "sign gift" . The bible does not use the phrase . sign as a gift . We walk by faith.

There are spiritual gifts as that not seen outwardly yes .

Tongues is the poetic language of God as prophecy . . .nothing more and nothing less

We are lovingly commanded not to seek after signs as wonders to marvel over rather than prophecy . Jesus said it a evil generation that does not walk by faith, the unseen eternal word , but rather looks to the things seen the temporal. No signs to wonder after were given .

Self edification in that way makes me wonder.

Sign follow after prophecy. They do not lead as that which are commanded to seek after .Again by faith we seek the unseen eternal .

Those who do seek after outward signs as evidence they have the Holy Spirit . . .again they hope their own action or work of making a noise and falling backward called "slain in the spirit" would make it the self produced evidence that they have the Holy Spirit. But rather they are showing themselves under the spirit of judgement as they hold on to that oral tradition of men .

Mark 16 gives a clear picture to the purpose of what the bible calls our "new tongue" (the gospel as prophecy)

He that believes the tongue of Gods prophecy shall be saved . . . . The sign to the whole world that mankind has received the new tongue prophecy "the tongue of God" . Prophecy I beleive will cast out the oral traditions of those who who add their own personal touch (I did it it proves it) called self edification .

They shall be exposed to the lies of false prophecy or poison of asps that comes by a brood of vipers "the laws of fathers" again as oral traditions.

Believers with their new tongues (the gospel) offer the gospel referred to as "laying on of hands" in a hope Christ will perform it in them to both will and perform his good pleasure .By the power of His word we can leap for joy and walk after his word as a living hope cast out the lying spirit that opposes the gospel. . The new tongue.

Mark 16: 15-17 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall "lay hands" on the sick, and they shall recover.

Christians that preach the gospel they do not preach their owns selves as if the kingdom did come by observations walking after the flesh and not the unseen tongue of God prophecy.

There is a beautiful parable spoken of in Acts 14 showing the unseen "laying on of hands " a metaphor of the power of the gospel, the tongue of God. . . doing its mighty labor of love in us causes us in a hope to leap for joy and follow His word making our burden lighter .

Acts14: 7-14 And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,

We are not to look to outward signs. . wondering, marveling looking to the temporal things seen as a source of eternal faith (the tongue of God as it is written ).

 

[Garee]

But I did indeed answer your question for it is the same explanation that Paul gives.
Why do you not just read 1Corinthians 14 for yourself?

1Cor 14:2 For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
3 On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation.
4 The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. [ESV]

The gift of speaking other languages is the work of God performed by the Spirit of God . When He spoke through Peter he gave his interpretation to all the nations . Not one of them where confused and started to look for a infallible interpreter . And therefore violate the warning of those who would seduce us. in so much that we do need a man to teach us. (1 John 2:27-28)

3000 entered the new heavenly Jerusalem by the work of the tongue of Christ called prophecy. Not one sat there and wondered if they heard the gospel , The new tongue of God by which they confessed Jesus the Christ is Lord.

 

[Born Again 2004]

The gift of speaking other languages is the work of God performed by the Spirit of God . When He spoke through Peter he gave his interpretation to all the nations . Not one of them where confused and started to look for a infallible interpreter . And therefore violate the warning of those who would seduce us. in so much that we do need a man to teach us. (1 John 2:27-28)

3000 entered the new heavenly Jerusalem by the work of the tongue of Christ called prophecy. Not one sat there and wondered if they heard the gospel , The new tongue of God by which they confessed Jesus the Christ is Lord.

A lot of what you say, though trueful, has nothing to do with the " Speaking In Tongues ".

Speaking in Tounges, like Interpretation and many others, is a gift from God.
Scripture seems to be clear that there are many gifts and they are to be used to EDIFY the Church.

ST.Paul admitted to Speaking In Tongues but, when it came to edifying the Church, states that he prefers Prophesying over Speaking In Tongues!

 

[Born Again 2004]

A lot of what you say, though trueful, has nothing to do with the " Speaking In Tongues ".

Speaking in Tounges, like Interpretation and many others, is a gift from God.
Scripture seems to be clear that there are many gifts and they are to be used to EDIFY the Church.

ST.Paul admitted to Speaking In Tongues but, when it came to edifying the Church, states that he prefers Prophesying over Speaking In Tongues!

All such gifts come from the Holy Spirit and are endowed to each Believer upon Salvation and at His discretion!

 

[Garee]

A lot of what you say, though trueful, has nothing to do with the " Speaking In Tongues ".

Speaking in Tounges, like Interpretation and many others, is a gift from God.
Scripture seems to be clear that there are many gifts and they are to be used to EDIFY the Church.

ST.Paul admitted to Speaking In Tongues but, when it came to edifying the Church, states that he prefers Prophesying over Speaking In Tongues!

Thanks for the reply. I would think there is no such thing as a "sign gift" . I did it it proves it . . self edification..

Spiritual gift not seen yes. they are all in effect.

The word unknown was clearly added . God defines the understanding of prophecy as the one author of it .

The understanding was not given to those spoken of in Isaiah 28 the foundation of the tongues doctrine They who served a oral tradition of men thought Peter was drunk because the understanding was hid from them just as God propmised . Prophecy is God's understanding.

Yet for all that they still refused to repent but continued to make senseless sounds without meaning and fall back slain in the Spirit .Therefore proving they are under the spirit of judgement

Speaking in tongues is speaking prophecy as it is written. (no difference )

St Paul knew that only prophecy is considered the tongue of God .

The idea that God made a noise and mankind should start searching for a infallible interpreter to give understanding flies in the face of the many warning that inform us of those who say we do need a man to teach us . Like Peter who in false pride rebuked the lord of glory . There are those today that hope Peter did not perform that work in false pride .They lift him up in a place that even Jesus the Son of man dared not stand. That would seem to eliminate the idea. Go find someone to give an infallible translation.

Prophecy edifies God not the church .

The bible condemn a hierarchy of men lording it over the faith of the non venerable pew sitters .


I would suggest looking to the foundation or law found in Isaiah 28 it is revisited in 1 Corihtinans 14:21 below

(Blue my added comment)

1 Corinthians 14:21 In the law it is written, With men (believers) of other tongues (language's) and other lips (all the nations ) will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

The same event was propmised by Joel . Men and woman from all the nations of the world as the new kingdom of priest that preach their new tongues the gospel. Sends them out two by two.

Acts 2:15-17King James Version For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Nothing that has to do with hearing sounds without meaning an falling back slain the the Spirit. That does not seem to be a biblical teaching .

In that way believers receive the end of their new born again faith from the beginning even the salvation of our spirit and soul.

Its not something that we required to do to fill it .That could do despite to the grace of God if not careful. We walk by faith the unseen eternal and not after the temporal things seen . A valuable tool the prescription needed to help Christians to rightly divide the mysteries of the gospel of peace it reads. .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

It would seem to reflected in 1 Peter no re-filling needed . We by faith looking back to that demonstration they by the same spirit of faith looked ahead .

I would think a beautiful gospel parable.

1 Peter 1: 8-11 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

The glory that should follow or the continuing glory as it is written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)