How America Destroyed the Gospel (Do you agree?)
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Dave there are so many holes. Its just not worth discussing again. A search in history will bring up many past discussion on this.
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Did I talk down to you? I am so sorry....That was never my intent...Please forgive me?
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Dave I admitted no such thing...I do not believe the man cherry picks the Word at all...I believe he simply believes the Word
And who are you to judge the heart of another, especially a man of God?
This man and his ministry has led countless people to salvation. How about you?
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Romans 2:1 (CJB)
2 Therefore you have no excuse, whoever you are, passing judgment; for when you judge someone else, you are passing judgment against yourself; since you who are judging do the same things he does.
James 4:12 (CJB)
12 There is but one Giver of Torah; he is also the Judge, with the power to deliver and to destroy. Who do you think you are, judging your fellow human being?
John 8:15-16 (CJB)
15 You judge by merely human standards. As for me, I pass judgment on no one; 16 but if I were indeed to pass judgment, my judgment would be valid; because it is not I alone who judge, but I and the One who sent me.
Matthew 7:1-5 (CJB)
7 “Don’t judge, so that you won’t be judged. 2 For the way you judge others is how you will be judged — the measure with which you measure out will be used to measure to you. 3 Why do you see the splinter in your brother’s eye but not notice the log in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the splinter out of your eye,’ when you have the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite! First, take the log out of your own eye; then you will see clearly, so that you can remove the splinter from your brother’s eye!
Romans 14:1-13 (CJB)
14 Now as for a person whose trust is weak, welcome him — but not to get into arguments over opinions. 2 One person has the trust that will allow him to eat anything, while another whose trust is weak eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats anything must not look down on the one who abstains; and the abstainer must not pass judgment on the one who eats anything, because God has accepted him — 4 who are you to pass judgment on someone else’s servant? It is before his own master that he will stand or fall; and the fact is that he will stand, because the Lord is able to make him stand.
5 One person considers some days more holy than others, while someone else regards them as being all alike. What is important is for each to be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes a day as special does so to honor the Lord. Also he who eats anything, eats to honor the Lord, since he gives thanks to God; likewise the abstainer abstains to honor the Lord, and he too gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives only in relation to himself, and none of us dies only in relation to himself; 8 for if we live, we live in relation to the Lord; and if we die, we die in relation to the Lord. So whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord — 9 indeed, it was for this very reason that the Messiah died and came back to life, so that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 You then, why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For all of us will stand before God’s judgment seat; 11 since it is written in the Tanakh,
“As I live, says Adonai, every knee will bend before me,
and every tongue will publicly acknowledge God.”
12 So then, every one of us will have to give an account of himself to God.
13 Therefore, let’s stop passing judgment on each other! Instead, make this one judgment — not to put a stumbling block or a snare in a brother’s way.
James 4:11-12 (CJB)
11 Brothers, stop speaking against each other! Whoever speaks against a brother or judges a brother is speaking against Torah and judging Torah. And if you judge Torah, you are not a doer of what Torah says, but a judge. 12 There is but one Giver of Torah; he is also the Judge, with the power to deliver and to destroy. Who do you think you are, judging your fellow human being?
I reported on what I saw first hand...Christians in general seem to form opinions and judgments based on hearsay...
2 Therefore you have no excuse, whoever you are, passing judgment; for when you judge someone else, you are passing judgment against yourself; since you who are judging do the same things he does.
James 4:12 (CJB)
12 There is but one Giver of Torah; he is also the Judge, with the power to deliver and to destroy. Who do you think you are, judging your fellow human being?
John 8:15-16 (CJB)
15 You judge by merely human standards. As for me, I pass judgment on no one; 16 but if I were indeed to pass judgment, my judgment would be valid; because it is not I alone who judge, but I and the One who sent me.
Matthew 7:1-5 (CJB)
7 “Don’t judge, so that you won’t be judged. 2 For the way you judge others is how you will be judged — the measure with which you measure out will be used to measure to you. 3 Why do you see the splinter in your brother’s eye but not notice the log in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the splinter out of your eye,’ when you have the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite! First, take the log out of your own eye; then you will see clearly, so that you can remove the splinter from your brother’s eye!
Romans 14:1-13 (CJB)
14 Now as for a person whose trust is weak, welcome him — but not to get into arguments over opinions. 2 One person has the trust that will allow him to eat anything, while another whose trust is weak eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats anything must not look down on the one who abstains; and the abstainer must not pass judgment on the one who eats anything, because God has accepted him — 4 who are you to pass judgment on someone else’s servant? It is before his own master that he will stand or fall; and the fact is that he will stand, because the Lord is able to make him stand.
5 One person considers some days more holy than others, while someone else regards them as being all alike. What is important is for each to be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes a day as special does so to honor the Lord. Also he who eats anything, eats to honor the Lord, since he gives thanks to God; likewise the abstainer abstains to honor the Lord, and he too gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives only in relation to himself, and none of us dies only in relation to himself; 8 for if we live, we live in relation to the Lord; and if we die, we die in relation to the Lord. So whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord — 9 indeed, it was for this very reason that the Messiah died and came back to life, so that he might be Lord of both the dead and the living. 10 You then, why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For all of us will stand before God’s judgment seat; 11 since it is written in the Tanakh,
“As I live, says Adonai, every knee will bend before me,
and every tongue will publicly acknowledge God.”
12 So then, every one of us will have to give an account of himself to God.
13 Therefore, let’s stop passing judgment on each other! Instead, make this one judgment — not to put a stumbling block or a snare in a brother’s way.
James 4:11-12 (CJB)
11 Brothers, stop speaking against each other! Whoever speaks against a brother or judges a brother is speaking against Torah and judging Torah. And if you judge Torah, you are not a doer of what Torah says, but a judge. 12 There is but one Giver of Torah; he is also the Judge, with the power to deliver and to destroy. Who do you think you are, judging your fellow human being?
I reported on what I saw first hand...Christians in general seem to form opinions and judgments based on hearsay...
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No Problem bro.
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He's mentioned it but we're not going there so for us its irrelevant. Hell is part of the curse and not for us...We are a covenant people, a seeding and reaping people....That's what our focus should be...Not sin consciousness but life consciousness.
who in world are you talking about?? all the people that he preaches to , certainly not, your implying here that everyone he teaches to, is not going to hell is absolutely insane. Every preacher preaches to saved and unsaved people. The ones in it for money tell people only what they want to here.
The reason he does not preach on hell is because the truth scares people and he will loose people in his congregation, and that means money to him.
He's mentioned it but we're not going there so for us its irrelevant. Hell is part of the curse and not for us...We are a covenant people, a seeding and reaping people....That's what our focus should be...Not sin consciousness but life consciousness.
who in world are you talking about?? all the people that he preaches to , certainly not, your implying here that everyone he teaches to, is not going to hell is absolutely insane. Every preacher preaches to saved and unsaved people. The ones in it for money tell people only what they want to here.
The reason he does not preach on hell is because the truth scares people and he will loose people in his congregation, and that means money to him.
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Dave Copeland did not say that...I did
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Dave I said its irrelevant Copeland did not
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This is a very untrue / common worldly statement / view.
Christians are to judge all things 1 Cor 2:15. Correct only those professing to be Christians 1 Cor 5:12. If we don't want to get judged / defend our beliefs, we should stop preaching / using the bible as our source of truth / calling ourselves Christians.
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Whilst I disagree 100% with Bendito's and the OP take on prosperity. I completely agree with any preacher not using hell as a scare tactic to get converts.
The reason the prosperity message is false is the same reason hell is not to be a scare tactic. Namely, God is good Psalm 136:1 and impartial Acts 10:34. This is why we give thanks.
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Hell is not a scare tactic it is part of the gospel brother. Unsaved people need to know about it, and saved people need to be reminded about it. It is in the bible.
Just like the parable of the rich merchant who built barns to store all his wealth and materiel things, Jesus warns us not to be like that. Lay your treasures up in heaven not here on this earth. I am willing to bet you will never ever here a property preacher teach on this parable. So many warning about how easy it for the rich to fall prey to worshiping there stuff in the bible, instead of God, but you will never here them preach on that.
Hell is not the only thing they do not preach on, I bet you never here them say we are all sinners and need saving.
the cherry pick the gospel for feel good self help so they can get rich.
1. Never talks about Hell
2. Never talks about repentance.
3. Never talks about the temptations of riches and materialism.
4. Never talks that we are all sinners and need to be saved.
This is what I use if I am not sure if I am listening to a false teacher. works every time
Just like the parable of the rich merchant who built barns to store all his wealth and materiel things, Jesus warns us not to be like that. Lay your treasures up in heaven not here on this earth. I am willing to bet you will never ever here a property preacher teach on this parable. So many warning about how easy it for the rich to fall prey to worshiping there stuff in the bible, instead of God, but you will never here them preach on that.
Hell is not the only thing they do not preach on, I bet you never here them say we are all sinners and need saving.
the cherry pick the gospel for feel good self help so they can get rich.
1. Never talks about Hell
2. Never talks about repentance.
3. Never talks about the temptations of riches and materialism.
4. Never talks that we are all sinners and need to be saved.
This is what I use if I am not sure if I am listening to a false teacher. works every time
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Reminded 'of' it. As in there is a separate eternal home for all who love what is evil. Lambs and goats separated. Not a place as Dante's inferno suggests. We can preach it as a scare tactic without realizing it.
Lol. Completely agree.
