In other words, you had believed in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God had raised Him from the dead and was saved but then after water baptism, you wanted a sign that you had received the Holy Ghost, is that correct?
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In other words, you had believed in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God had raised Him from the dead and was saved but then after water baptism, you wanted a sign that you had received the Holy Ghost, is that correct?
Not when you guys overlook 1 Corinthians 14:13 just so you can justify as if Paul is praying in tongues in 1 Corinthians 14:14 when he is talking about when any one speaks in tongues, to pray while that is happening that someone else will interpret because Paul says. it will not benefit him unless he understood it.
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So Jesus was born of the Spirit, and then later on Jesus needed to be really sure he was the Son of God so the Holy Spirit came upon him and his father said he really was at his baptism. Is that what you are trying to say?
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Well you believe wrong.
I believed the scriptures and the full gospel as preached by Jesus and the apostles ..
I believed and I prayed to God to receive his Holy Spirit (after I was baptized in water).
I was baptized in the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues like all my Pentecostal brothers and sisters.
I instantly received my first miracles and was healed and set free from my addictions and other wickedness.
In the Revival Fellowship ALL those born from above can pray in tongues (pray in the Holy Spirit) directly to God as the scriptures declare.
1Cor 14:2 For who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men, but to God; for no one hears [understands]; but in spirit he speaks mysteries.
You are in denial of the truth of scripture.
1Cor 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
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In other words, you had believed in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God had raised Him from the dead and was saved but then after water baptism, you wanted a sign that you had received the Holy Ghost, is that correct?
Brother Curtis, I was asking Waggles a question for confirmation. I do not believe that inquiry I had put to him but trying to assess his personal belief.
Jesus did not need any confirmation as to Who He was.
Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. 41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.
46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
Well you believe wrong.
I believed the scriptures and the full gospel as preached by Jesus and the apostles ..
I believed and I prayed to God to receive his Holy Spirit (after I was baptized in water).
I was baptized in the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues like all my Pentecostal brothers and sisters.
I instantly received my first miracles and was healed and set free from my addictions and other wickedness.
In the Revival Fellowship ALL those born from above can pray in tongues (pray in the Holy Spirit) directly to God as the scriptures declare.
1Cor 14:2 For who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men, but to God; for no one hears [understands]; but in spirit he speaks mysteries.
You are in denial of the truth of scripture.
1Cor 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
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In other words, you had believed in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God had raised Him from the dead and was saved but then after water baptism, you wanted a sign that you had received the Holy Ghost, is that correct?
Brother Curtis, I was asking Waggles a question for confirmation. I do not believe that inquiry I had put to him but trying to assess his personal belief.
Jesus did not need any confirmation as to Who He was.
Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. 41 Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the feast of the passover. 42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast. 43 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 44 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintance. 45 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him.
46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.
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If Jesus did not need any confirmation of who he was, and that Jesus knew he was born of the Spirit in his birth then why did the Holy Spirit need to come upon him years later if he was already born of the Spirit? This is where you greatly error in your thinking. Why would anyone need the baptism of the Holy Spirit if they are already born of the Spirit? It is for the exact same reason Jesus needed it, and that is for service to be able to minister to other people!
Let's look at the event.
Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
The Lord led me to see what Jesus had meant in to fulfill all righteousness was in regard to this prophesy in scripture.
Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
Here you have God the Redeemer speaking and yet the Lord God and His spirit sent Him? This is the prophesy fulfilled in Matthew 3:15-17 where God the Father & the Holy Spirit testified that Jesus is God Our Redeemer in showing us the way we are to go as Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life and that no man can come to the Father but by me.
Jesus is God for what that event at His water baptism all about as the Father testified from Heaven added with the holy Ghost as the Witness also.
Why?
John 8: 17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.
The addition of the Holy Ghost's witness with the Father's witness makes the witness of God the Father towards His Son being God as true.
That is why 1 John 5:7 about the three Witnesses in Heaven was originally scripture as found in the KJV because taking it out, makes 1 John 5:9 fall flat for how can God's witness be greater than men's witness on the earth?
Jesus was not born again of the Spirit at His water's baptism since He was going about doing His Father's business when he was twelves years old. Luke 2:40-50
The event at His water baptism was to fulfill prophesy of God the father & His spirit sending Jesus Christ, God Our Redeemer.
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You have not provided any evidence that would prevent this same event to happen upon God's saints in like manner.
Another prophecy foretold long ago about the Holy Spirit being poured out on all men.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit, and they shall prophesy:
The day of "Pentecost" was the beginning of the fulfillment of this prophecy which continues to this day upon all those who have been born of the Spirit and are now being anointed by the Holy Spirit in a separate event. All born-again believers "should" receive this same anointing as Jesus did.
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True statement. I've spoken in tongues privately for about 48 years now, but have NEVER been burdened to speak in tongues as a message to a meeting, so obviously I would be one who has never been gifted to "Speak in tongues" in a 1 Cor 12 mode.
However "Prophesy", "Interpretation", "Tongues" (both private, and public), "Word of WIsdom" and "Word of Knowledge" are essentially all the same gifting. All five operate identically, and in all five the speaker simply speaks the words supplied directly to his mind by the Holy Spirit, HOPEFULLY not adding to, embellishing, or deleting from what the Spirit dictates.
[quote} Prohecying is "greater" than speaking in tongues[/quote]
Not necessarily. "Gifts" are ALL temporary enablements by the Holy Spirit so that the one so Gifted can fulfill a need. Humans always want to "Rank" things (like the foolish Corinthians: MY GIFT is better than YOUR gift, so I HAVE NO NEED OF YOU!!!).
The "BEST GIFT" is the always the one that meets the immediate need at hand. If the "Gifts of Healings" are required to supply the need, "Prophesy" would be worthless.
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Exactly - the only difference between "Interpretation", and "Prophesy" is that "Tongues" lead out for Interpretation", and "Prophesy" stands on its own.
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NO I prayed to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit and when the Holy Spirit came upon me and filled me with joy then I spoke in tongues - the Bible evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit.
I also received a marvellous revelation concerning Jesus is the truth of scripture.
I also received several major healing miracles that very afternoon.
Acts 10:43 To him all the prophets witness, that through his name every one that believeth unto him receives remission of sins.
The Holy Spirit Falls on the Gentiles
10:44 While Peter yet spoke these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all that heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision that believed were amazed, who came with Peter, because that on the nations also was poured out the gift of the Holy Spirit.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can anyone forbid the water, that these should not be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as well as we?
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then asked they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper regions came to Ephesus, and found certain disciples:
2 and he said unto them, Whether ye received the Holy Spirit when ye believed? And they said unto him, Nay, we did not so much as hear whether there is a Holy Spirit.
3 And he said, Into what then were ye baptized? And they said, Into the baptism of John.
4 And Paul said, John baptized a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe unto him that should come after him, that is, unto Jesus.
5 And when they heard this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And they were in all about twelve men.
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Why do non-Pentecostals spend so much effort at attacking and denigrating Pentecostal faith and worship??
Is this the purpose of TalkJesus to trash other churches and faiths??
I can think of 101 Christian churches that I consider "to preach a false gospel" and get it wrong.
But is this forum the place to openly slather and denigrate specific churches such as the .... ... ... ??
As for non-Pentecostals attempting to teach others about Pentecostal life in the Holy Spirit of God I offer the following -
1Cor 2:4 And my words and my preachment were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of Spirit and power:
2:5 that your faith be not in men’s wisdom, but in God’s power.
1Cor 2:12 But WE [Pentecostal]; received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things freely given to us of God.
2:13 Which things also we speak, not in words taught of man’s wisdom, but in Spirit-taught words; interpreting spiritual things to spiritual men.
2:14 Now man natural receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him; and know he cannot, because they are spiritually judged.
Is this the purpose of TalkJesus to trash other churches and faiths??
I can think of 101 Christian churches that I consider "to preach a false gospel" and get it wrong.
But is this forum the place to openly slather and denigrate specific churches such as the .... ... ... ??
As for non-Pentecostals attempting to teach others about Pentecostal life in the Holy Spirit of God I offer the following -
1Cor 2:4 And my words and my preachment were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of Spirit and power:
2:5 that your faith be not in men’s wisdom, but in God’s power.
1Cor 2:12 But WE [Pentecostal]; received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things freely given to us of God.
2:13 Which things also we speak, not in words taught of man’s wisdom, but in Spirit-taught words; interpreting spiritual things to spiritual men.
2:14 Now man natural receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him; and know he cannot, because they are spiritually judged.
@Jesus_is_LORD @Christ4Ever @Chad @Mayflower @Garee @complete @Brother Paul @PloughBoy @joestue @B-A-C @Bob Carabbio @Samson2020 @Waggles You all may be interested in this reply also.
I have provided scripture in other threads that proved the born again of the Spirit and the baptism with the Holy Ghost from the Father was to be done after Jesus had ascended to the Father for when ever any one that believes in Him would be saved.
John 3:7-18 is Jesus answering Nicodemus question about when one is born again of the Spirit which is to occur after His ascension ( John 3:13 ) which was after His crucifixion ( John 3:14 ) for when ever any one believes in him to be born again and saved ( John 3:15-18 )
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jesus confirmed this to His disciples for when He was going to leave them to go to the Father's mansion, then the promise of the Spirit of truth would be sent to dwell in them forever which the world cannot receive like they do by other spirits by a sign, because they see Him not, but believers will know Him by Him dwelling in them ( John 14:16-17 ) and He stressed that this promise was to be received when Jesus was no longer present with them but sent by the Father John 14:25-26
John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
So His disciples got saved at Pentecost and not before so that their testimony for when they got saved would be the same as all the rest of the believers that at and after Pentecost as they receive the promise of the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ.
Galatians 3: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. ... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is only one drink of the One Spirit that we were all baptized into the one body by Jesus Christ so there is no other baptism with the Holy Ghost for that sign of tongues nor for any other gifts; You are to ask Jesus for any gift.
1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many.
Again, there is only one hope of our calling for why there is only one baptism with the Holy Ghost at our salvation as that is the tradition taught of us.
Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our
After you had received Jesus Christ, you are complete in Christ, so there is nothing more for a believer to seek after other than to walk in Him and learn of Him in the scriptures.
Colossians 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
There can be no more filling when the promise is that we would never hunger nor thirst again to be filled after coming to & believing in Jesus Christ.
John 6: 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
We are not a leaky vessel that needs a continual filling of the Spirit after salvation because we are a new creature able to hold the Holy Ghost forever thus sealed as saved as a testimony from God that we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ.
Matthew 9: 17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
So please repent today for I believe you are at risk of being left behind when the Bridegroom comes
Matthew 12: 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Can you not see my concerns are just & valid by the warning in scripture in regards to keeping the traditions taught of us in keeping the faith which is the good fight?
None of these references below prepped already saved believers, let alone unsaved sinners to seek to receive the Holy Spirit after a sign of tongues.
Acts 10:43 To him all the prophets witness, that through his name every one that believeth unto him receives remission of sins.
The Holy Spirit Falls on the Gentiles
10:44 While Peter yet spoke these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all that heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision that believed were amazed, who came with Peter, because that on the nations also was poured out the gift of the Holy Spirit.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can anyone forbid the water, that these should not be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as well as we?
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then asked they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper regions came to Ephesus, and found certain disciples:
2 and he said unto them, Whether ye received the Holy Spirit when ye believed? And they said unto him, Nay, we did not so much as hear whether there is a Holy Spirit.
3 And he said, Into what then were ye baptized? And they said, Into the baptism of John.
4 And Paul said, John baptized a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe unto him that should come after him, that is, unto Jesus.
5 And when they heard this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke with tongues, and prophesied.
7 And they were in all about twelve men.
Signs follow believers but believers are not to follow after signs.
Mark 16: 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
An example of this was what had happened to Paul when he and the crew that got shipwrecked at an island.
Acts 28:1And when they were escaped, then they knew that the island was called Melita. 2 And the barbarous people shewed us no little kindness: for they kindled a fire, and received us every one, because of the present rain, and because of the cold. 3 And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. 4 And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. 5 And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. 6 Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.
So please repent today for I believe you are at risk of being left behind when the Bridegroom comes
Matthew 12: 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Revelation 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. 24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Can you not see my concerns are just & valid by the warning in scripture in regards to keeping the traditions taught of us in keeping the faith which is the good fight?
Are you forgetting Talk Jesus's Statement of Faith in regards to that "Baptism" comment? There is no requirement to agree with that Statement of Faith in joining this forum & not every member accepts that portion of the Statement of Faith when they did joined this forum.
And Talk Jesus wants help to get more believers to join and I am contending that either they modified that comment about Baptism, non tongue speaking believers may be turned away from joining as they may believe it is a requirement to join like other forums insists on and/or they will believe they do not belong.
Have I not shared scriptures showing my concern? Are they not honest questions as well as valid concerns for the body of Christ as there are warning in scripture given to the saved believers to be ready or else?
1Cor 2:4 And my words and my preachment were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of Spirit and power:
2:5 that your faith be not in men’s wisdom, but in God’s power.
1Cor 2:12 But WE [Pentecostal]; received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God; that we might know the things freely given to us of God.
2:13 Which things also we speak, not in words taught of man’s wisdom, but in Spirit-taught words; interpreting spiritual things to spiritual men.
2:14 Now man natural receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him; and know he cannot, because they are spiritually judged.
But when you had sought to receive the Holy Spirit by a sign like the world does in receiving spirits, is why you cannot say you had NOT received that other baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues as the world does when they receives the spirits of the world by that sign of tongues as well like in the occult per Isaiah 8:19 and on an ongoing basis too after other signs like in Khundalini.
You might as well ask them to change it to Talk Spirit then, because the real indwelling Holy Ghost would always keep the spotlight on Jesus Christ, but the spirits of the antichrist would not by their visitations of signs & lying wonders in being an attention stealer in seducing you to chase after them to receive like the world does by a sign again and again and again in slain in the spirt & holy laughter movement too..
What would you really be giving up when you can pray normally to know when you get an answer to prayer and read the scriptures to know you are getting edification and to know when you are praising God in worship? Better to know than not.
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It would seem that you are contradicting yourself to me?????
Maybe they do not belong as they are not to learn wrong and have to relearn truth later as that is harder to do than learning the truth the first time. (other forums response)
PS They who build the house build in vain if it is not built by the Lord. And yes that includes you too. If God calls they will come to know Jesus, if not then they remain vessels that
He fitted for wrath and no amount of preaching will change that for now.
You did not save yourself so what makes you think you will save anyone else?
Is preaching the foolishness with which God chooses to save those that should be saved?
Is it not God that gives the faith necessary for one to believe? When and if He does that is up to Him not us.
You speak as if you do not understand nor believe that the works were finished before the foundation of the world. God has it ALL already planned out, so don't frustrate yourself in
thinking you gotta save the world because He already did that.
Matt 7:6-8 Do not waste what is Holy on people who are unholy. Don't throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls then turn and attack you. "Keep on asking and you
will receive what you are asking for. Keep on seeking and you will find, Keep on knocking and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, Everyone who
seeks, finds. And to everyone who knocks the door will be opened.
Notice He said you will receive what you are asking for, not something else that you did not ask for.
Every child must grow up and any adult is familiar with the word WHY. Every child of the kingdom will continually ask WHY in order to comprehend what they have been
apprehended for.
Matt 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, Except be ye converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter the kingdom of heaven."
Doesn't seem to be a problem with God as He told Jesus to tell us to keep asking, keep seeking, and keep knocking.
How is that when that reply was to @Waggles ?
Actually all other forums are supporting that which I believe is apostasy. So you will have to name that forum that does that, because I know of none.
Have I not been advocating that all believers have been saved by faith in Jesus Christ at the calling of the gospel when you had believed in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised him from the dead? Including yourself?
It is that extra calling is why I believe by the scriptures is not of Him.
The preaching of the cross is not foolishness as it is the power of God to save those that believe in Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 1:21
The problem here is salvation is a one time event and not a continuous one in the life of a saved believer for why we are not to believe every spirit but test them, including the tongues they rbing. 1 John 4:1-6
Did not Jesus warned the church at Thyatira in Revelation 2:18-25 to repent or else be cast into the bed of the great tribulation; hence left behind? By His grace & by His help, that is what I am sharing.
Problem here is you posted a continuous seeking when the promise is that all those that seek, shall find, period. No more seeking because that which was sought after has been found. That is a promise from God.
Luke 11:9-13 testify about the receiving of the Holy Ghost as a one time event otherwise, it would make the Father look evil as if He did not give you the Holy Spirit the first time.
Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. ( This is proof that all those that seek, shall find. There is no more seeking )
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? ( Verses 11-12 is proof that the Father would not give the Holy Ghost again for that would make Him look evil as if He did not give you the Holy Ghost the first time )
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
How does the little children enter the kingdom of heaven? By believing in Him. Once entered in, there is no more seeking right because you are born again of the Spirit since salvation for why you are IN that kingdom of heaven.
@Waggles I address you both because you both seem to be running out of patience in replying to me and are acting like you are unsafe all of a sudden, because I answered your rebuttals by the scripture and are offended.
No one is forcing you to continue in a topic that is making you uncomfortable that you do not want to reply to me about any more.
I appreciate that you all are taking the time to address my just concerns to try to justify it Biblically but I have addressed your references head on while you guys have not exactly addressed all my references head on. I can accept that you do not have all the answers yet but that does not mean you never will.
You do not have to continue to reply to me but just agree to disagree, until one day the Lord leads you to share an answer that you did not have before, but until then. walk away from the thread if it bothers you guys that much. Okay?
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That is exactly what the "natural man" thinks as he can never receive the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness to him.
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Titus 3:10 "If people are causing divisions among you, give a first and second warning. After that, have nothing to do with them."
We have all stepped out much further than 2 warnings, so it can only be deduced that you are unteachable concerning this matter.
Our rebuttals are sound but you cannot hear us. Your rebuttals do not fit the way that you believe they do.
When I said that the NEW CREATURE within you is the one speaking to his Father, and not the Holy Ghost, you rejected it. Although that is exactly what the private tongue is for.
I need no evidence or proof or a miracle and never did, but He gave those anyway of His own volition. I am truly sorry that you do not see this as a personal matter between
the child of God and his Father, maybe someday God will show you, but for now I guess not.
No offense here, and truly do not feel unsafe at all. But I will not keep butting my head against a SEMINARY taught disciple of whatever that thinks we need his input for a
Sunday school lesson somewhere down the road. I will only give myself a headache.
And as the Holy Ghost hath taught me, there will I abide.
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Who is Kenneth E Hagin?
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Kenneth Hagin is a preacher/teacher who as a very young man had an incurable disease that doctors said he would not long. He was bead-ridden, but he got a hold of the Word of God and the Lord healed him. He has pastored many churches for over 70+ years. He died a few years ago, but he started "Rhema" Bible college.
He has many many books and videos on youtube if are interested in his teaching.
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