Don't you need to be babtized by Holy Spirit and water in order to get into Heaven?

[Thelight238]

Yes you do

You do need to be babtized to be saved.........Yeah you do need to believe but thats not all you need to do.

Acts 16:16-40--This is when Paul was put in Jail and he minster to the prison keeper. The keeper asked what he must do to be saved and Paul said in vs 31 he said believe then it said in vs 33 the keeper and his household were baptized.

When you look up the word believe it comes from the greek word faith. Faith is translated into 12 words....1-faith 2-obey 3-assured 4-agreed 5-believe 6-confidence 7-commited 8-enticing 9-persuaded 10-yeld 11--having mad a friend 12-trust......so when you believe your doing all of this. So lets just try this out...Mark 16:16 "He who trust and is baptised will be saved" "He who obey and is baptized will be saved''

We all know that there is wind but you cant see it, but you can see the the power of it on the trees and the grass and we also hear it.

Somepeople say that its a work and you cant do works well repentance is a work you have to change you mind from what you think and do it Gods way

God doesnt chage no matter what. Ephesians 4:5-- One lord one faith one baptism.

Matt 7:7--''Ask and it will be given to you, Seek and you will find it, Knock and it will be open to you''

 

[jiggyfly]

You do need to be babtized to be saved.........Yeah you do need to believe but thats not all you need to do.

Acts 16:16-40--This is when Paul was put in Jail and he minster to the prison keeper. The keeper asked what he must do to be saved and Paul said in vs 31 he said believe then it said in vs 33 the keeper and his household were baptized.

Did Paul say that you need to believe and be baptized to be saved? NO he didn't

Acts 16:29-34, 29 *Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, 30*and brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31*And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 32*And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. 33*And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. 34*And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
Please if you are going to use scripture don't add to what is said.In Acts 10 they were baptized in the Holy Spirit before they were baptized in water. You can't be baptized with the Holy Spirit until you are saved.

 

[Princess487]

So why do some parents think that babtizing their children as babies and early age will get them saved. In Russia, no one could be babtized till they're 18 and capable of all the hard work to come. It was after all communist Russia, and they have to be ready to go to jail. Most people went. Even nowadays, at my church, it's prefered that you're around 18 even though ocassinally they let a 16 year old get babtized. Back to the babies, I don't exactly see how the parents think their babies are saved. Babtism doesn't automatically make them "Holy". well whatever, can someone explain?

 

[Everglaze]

So why do some parents think that babtizing their children as babies and early age will get them saved. In Russia, no one could be babtized till they're 18 and capable of all the hard work to come. It was after all communist Russia, and they have to be ready to go to jail. Most people went. Even nowadays, at my church, it's prefered that you're around 18 even though ocassinally they let a 16 year old get babtized. Back to the babies, I don't exactly see how the parents think their babies are saved. Babtism doesn't automatically make them "Holy". well whatever, can someone explain?

Yes, the reason that people think baptism for babies will give them salvation is because of misinterpretation.

A baby doesn't even know what Sin is nor does it know who Jesus is in order to accept him. (Whether babies go to Heaven or not is another topic and another debatable discussion that we humans will not know).

A person cannot get salvation through Baptism, it is through JESUS that one can be saved...no other way (or else John 14:6 would mean nothing). Now then, do we need to be baptized in order to be saved? No, we need Jesus. Do we get baptized though? Yes we do because it's an act of obedience. However, Jesus comes first and without him, baptism is futile. A person needs to know why they're getting baptized. If a person gets baptized yet lives a sinful life, that person has no salvation -- of course not! That's cause Jesus is salvation. Following Jesus means repenting from sins and obeying his commands, developing a relationship with him. Simply getting baptized doesn't mean the person is saved because he/she doesn't even know Jesus or what sins are in order to repent from them!

I'm gonna get baptized because I WANT to, not because of the notion that if I don't get baptized, I'll be condemned. God cares more about a relationship.

 

[buzzboodro]

Check your scripture

Being born of water is being born of the flesh and being born of the spirit is being born ofGod. John 3:5 is not talking at all about baptism. Baptism and birth are seperate experiences. Water baptism when obeyed has a significance that is strictly symbolic.

Does it say in the bible that water baptism is "strictly symbolic" ? John 3:5 states :5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Please dont misquote

 

[jiggyfly]

Thats right Jesus said born of water not baptized.

 

[buzzboodro]

Once more dont change the word to suit yourself

Did Paul say that you need to believe and be baptized to be saved? NO he didn't

Acts 16:29-34, 29 *Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, 30*and brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31*And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 32*And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. 33*And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. 34*And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
Please if you are going to use scripture don't add to what is said.In Acts 10 they were baptized in the Holy Spirit before they were baptized in water. You can't be baptized with the Holy Spirit until you are saved.

Good advice now you just need to follow it yourself...33*And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway...The act of baptism is an outward sign to others that you believe if you are above Jesus I guess you don't need to be baptised.

 

[jiggyfly]

If water baptism is not strictly sybolic than can you please tell me what baptism is?

 

[JustJan]

I think that baptizm is important as a public proclamation of one's faith. However, I think that this is another area where fallen human beings tend to get legalistic.

Babies or not babies
Sprinkling or dunking

We get all caught up in ritual. We start debating and pointing fingers about whether the dedication that you had as a baby is "good enough" or whether one needs to be baptized again. Legalism isn't from God.

Does God love His baptized children more than those who have repented and are yet unbaptized? Does our being baptized earn us a special honor or favor with God? NOPE, not at all.

I don't want to discourage anyone from being baptized, but let's not be so legalistic about it and cause disention between us.

 

[jiggyfly]

I never said that we shouldn't be baptized, but I did say that being baptized does not make you born again and that people were believers and had not been water baptized yet. But I have made all the statements on this topic that are necessary. I feel to continue will only lead to arguementive debates. God Bless all of you.

 

[buzzboodro]

If water baptism is not strictly sybolic than can you please tell me what baptism is?

God is not a God of "symbols" or "rituals" He is a Father that you either follow His direction and live or don't , Now ...."work out your own salvation with fear and trembling "..because what you choose to believe or disbelieve is ultimately up to you the direction is given you either follow the road or don't but dont ask others to not believe because you don't.

 

[jiggyfly]

good call justjan

 

[JustJan]

I am not discouraging anyone from being baptized.

Yes, as Christians we should strive to honor and glorify God. Our debating over when and how someone should be baptized doesn't honor God. It is plain legalism just like the Pharisees.

 

[Spinoza]

unbiblical opinion, arguementative

Please base your opinions of Biblical Truth. Every post you have made has been for the purpose of arguement, we are not interested in being combative.

 

[NewMan]

What more can I say that I have not already typed on this topic?

I have said all I can and now I will let Jesus do any convencing that needs to be done...

Jiggyfly is right about keeping the love. :thumbs_up

Glory to God in the highest....

 

[Trudy]

Yes you must be baptise to be save!

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Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

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He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

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[Lion_of_Judah]

I'll jump in..

What did Jesus mean when He said," Today, you shall be with me in paradise."

Yes you must be baptise to be save!

Is this heaven? Did the man ask if he had to be baptised before he died?
Did Jesus tell him "you must be baptised before you shall be with me in heaven"?



Explain.

LoJ

 

[stephen]

In the Bible it says:
(John 3:3-8)
3 Jesus replied to Nicodemus, "I can guarantee this truth: No one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above."
4 Nicodemus asked him, "How can anyone be born when he's an old man? He can't go back inside his mother a second time to be born, can he?"
5 Jesus answered Nicodemus, "I can guarantee this truth: No one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.
6 Flesh and blood give birth to flesh and blood, but the Spirit gives birth to things that are spiritual.
7 Don't be surprised when I tell you that all of you must be born from above.
8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you don't know where the wind comes from or where it's going. That's the way it is with everyone born of the Spirit."

How come some people just say that you only need to accept Christ as your Savior if in the Bible it says you need to be born by water and spirit? I don't get that?

Christianity is about knowing Jesus......have you met Him?

It is about a meeting....with Him. The first step is meeting Him........If you have not met Him....Jesus. Then all else will be of no avail

"Strive to enter in aat the straight Gate".......Having done that you will be able to fulfill the rest.........as individually constraind to frollow Jesus

 

[Trudy]

i already gave the scriptures now my part is done it up to yall to receive it so that when he get back you guys can get caught up becuase he said you must repent and be baptize to enter the kingdom so atleast you guys know now receive it...

 

[Gracealone]

Although baptism is an important part of our walk with God, it is not a requisite to salvation......1Corinthians 1:17 Paul speaking..."For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel".....

If baptism was a mandate for salvation then Paul would have preached baptism also, but he didn't say that.......The thief on the cross was not baptized......were any in the Old Testament baptized?
Were they not saved by faith just as we are?

In saying this, I'm not saying it isn't an important part of our walk, for if we are ashamed of him before man so will he be ashamed of us before the Father.
Baptism is an outward sign of an inward transaction.
It is a willingness to humble oneself and say, I am a sinner, and I have died with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me.
From this day forth I am the Lords, and he is mine