The Bible says as mentioned earlier Keep the Commandments, , repent, baptism, laying on of hands, . Then you are on the path to salvation. HEBREWS 5:9 " AND HAVING BEEN PERFECTED, HE BECAME THE AUTHOR OF ETERNAL SALVATION TO ALL WHO OBEY HIM "
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With Jesus's explanation salvation is a future event that happens at the end of our lives - Matt 10:22, Matt 24:13. You could say we are in a state of salvation subject to losing it if we fall away. It's not a one time event that is fixed or permanent it is conditional upon our response to the criteria that God sets for us to receive eternal life.
To be saved -- 1 Corinthians 15:1-3 "Moreover brethren, I declare to you the Gospel......by which you also are saved......that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures." and Romans 10:9-10 "that is you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth, confession is made unto salvation."
Being saved does Not mean we'll never sin again. And when the Holy Spirit lets us know that there's something in our lives that we need to 'get rid of' -- then we turn From that and continue living. But that does not mean we'll never have another sin to get rid of. A bad habit. And we Do slip once in a while. So , we acknowledge That , ask for forgiveness. And move on in Christ.
We are Supposed to be growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. We'll have a desire To do that.
When a person Does accept Jesus Christ as personal SAvior -- our desires Will re-adjust. For some people they will no longer be troubled by bad language or their appetite for the 'whatever' will go away. God works differently in each of us. And some people will continue To struggle with a problem. But it will no longer be a pleasant thing in their lives -- it Will become a Problem. They will know that the Holy Spirit is indwelling
The example that Hekuron gave -- he was in the process of Being saved when the rope pulled him up. He was Saved once inside the helicopter. Does he need to keep making sure that he's really safe inside the helocoptor? No. The ride might get rough in the helicoptor , but he's still safe inside.
There are lots of extra-peripherals that people attach To salvation that are not part Of salvation.
Being saved does Not mean we'll never sin again. And when the Holy Spirit lets us know that there's something in our lives that we need to 'get rid of' -- then we turn From that and continue living. But that does not mean we'll never have another sin to get rid of. A bad habit. And we Do slip once in a while. So , we acknowledge That , ask for forgiveness. And move on in Christ.
We are Supposed to be growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. We'll have a desire To do that.
When a person Does accept Jesus Christ as personal SAvior -- our desires Will re-adjust. For some people they will no longer be troubled by bad language or their appetite for the 'whatever' will go away. God works differently in each of us. And some people will continue To struggle with a problem. But it will no longer be a pleasant thing in their lives -- it Will become a Problem. They will know that the Holy Spirit is indwelling
The example that Hekuron gave -- he was in the process of Being saved when the rope pulled him up. He was Saved once inside the helicopter. Does he need to keep making sure that he's really safe inside the helocoptor? No. The ride might get rough in the helicoptor , but he's still safe inside.
There are lots of extra-peripherals that people attach To salvation that are not part Of salvation.
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God gives us absolute requirements to be saved. They are not suggestions or extra peripherals. They make up the prerequisites necessary for eternal life. People isolate certain scripture like John 3:16 and assume all you have to do is believe in Jesus to be saved. But is that all there is to it? Is there anything else we have to do. Just believing in Jesus isn't the end; it is only the beginning. repentance is necessary. Jesus says we must also be baptized in order to be saved. And He emphasized we must keep the Commandments in order to be saved. And we will be judged by our works. Works provide the proof that we have faith, by which we are saved.
@judge not -- what about Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, Not of words, lest anyone should boast.
The theif on the cross went to be with Jesus -- he didn't have any chance to be baptized.
If a person is in a car as a passenger and accepts Christ as personal SAvior and then is killed in a car wreck. Is that person saved or not.
Or , in my own case -- I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior and felt wonderful inner peace immediately -- yet -- it was quite a while before I was baptized. Being baptized by immersion shows other people what has already taken place in your heart. So -- according to the two Scriptures I shared previously 1 Corinthians 15 and Romans 10:9-10 -- to be saved, what is required.
And, yes, believers Will be judged according to what we've done as believers -- but those are 'works' we do to please God -- Not to earn our salvation.
And, yes, people see our salvation By our works. But our works are not what's saving us. It's where we place our faith -- in the shed blood of Jesus Christ.
The theif on the cross went to be with Jesus -- he didn't have any chance to be baptized.
If a person is in a car as a passenger and accepts Christ as personal SAvior and then is killed in a car wreck. Is that person saved or not.
Or , in my own case -- I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior and felt wonderful inner peace immediately -- yet -- it was quite a while before I was baptized. Being baptized by immersion shows other people what has already taken place in your heart. So -- according to the two Scriptures I shared previously 1 Corinthians 15 and Romans 10:9-10 -- to be saved, what is required.
And, yes, believers Will be judged according to what we've done as believers -- but those are 'works' we do to please God -- Not to earn our salvation.
And, yes, people see our salvation By our works. But our works are not what's saving us. It's where we place our faith -- in the shed blood of Jesus Christ.
Most people don't read past Ephesians 2:9 yet verse 10 tells us we must do good works. Does this contradict verse 8 and 9. First part says we don't need works, the second part says we do. True we cannot earn God's forgiveness by works. But faith without works Is dead, useless and worthless._ James 2:20-22. The thieve because of circumstances could not be baptized so Jesus made an exception for him. But that does not dismiss the general commandment for everyone else. Do you believe keeping the Commandments is required for salvation as Jesus indicated?
@judge not -- Re: keeping the Commandments being required for salvation. If you're referring to the Ten Commandments -- no -- they were given to us as a tutor to show us our need For salvation.
As a believer, there Are 'good works' that God has for us to do. We will be blessed by doing those.
Is keeping the Commandments what Jesus Is indicating? Faith and works go hand in hand. But not applied to salvation or to Keep our salvation. Upon salvation, the Holy Spirit gives us the desire To obey God's Word.
It's like being the member of a family -- in order to keep the household running smoothly -- each person needs to be helping -- washing dishes -- keeping their room clean -- or the area that they live / sleep in needs to be kept picked up. You won't be disowned if you Don't. But will be blessed By being helpful.
As a believer, there Are 'good works' that God has for us to do. We will be blessed by doing those.
Is keeping the Commandments what Jesus Is indicating? Faith and works go hand in hand. But not applied to salvation or to Keep our salvation. Upon salvation, the Holy Spirit gives us the desire To obey God's Word.
It's like being the member of a family -- in order to keep the household running smoothly -- each person needs to be helping -- washing dishes -- keeping their room clean -- or the area that they live / sleep in needs to be kept picked up. You won't be disowned if you Don't. But will be blessed By being helpful.
Wouldn't it be great if we could ask Jesus if keeping the Ten Commandments is necessary to receive salvation? Well what do you know, someone did ask Jesus that question and He replied " if you want salvation, keep the Commandments ". Jesus is the authority on salvation. So who should we believe? Paul tells us " ... Obeying the Commandments of God is everything " -1 Cor 7:19. John describes the saints as "those who keep the Commandments of God. And the faith of Jesus "- Rev 14:12. We are given this warning " He who says I know Him and does not keep His Commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him "- 1John 2:4. Rev 22:14 " Blessed are those who do His Commandments that they may have the right to the tree of life....". The choice is ours. We risk being in grave spiritual danger if we follow false teachers rather than the Word of God.
@judge not -- so let's go back to Ephesians 2:8-9 -- the part that says "not of works, lest any man should boast" wouldn't that include not having to keep the Ten Commandments or doing some other form Of 'good works' because being able To do those good works would allow us to have something to be boastful about.
BTW -- I'm Not trying to be a false teacher -- 1 Corinthians 15 :1-4 "to be saved" "I declare to you the Gospel ... by which also you are saved..... that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures and that He was buried, and that He rose again the 3rd day according to the Scriptures." Nothing in those verses about baptism being required or good works being required "to be saved".
God Does have good works for born again believers to do. And because we have the Holy Spirit indwelling us at the moment Of our salvation, He puts within us the desire To do 'good works' for God. If a person becomes a 'lazy' Christian, then he or she will miss out on blessings. And if that person starts being disobedient, they will be chastised which is never pleasant.
If a person Was able to keep all of the commandments all the time and be able to be saved that way -- there would be no need for the cross.
Jesus Christ Also told 'his people' that the greatest of All the Commandments -- would be to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul and mind and our neighbor as ourselves.
We Also have the devil who roams the earth looking for opportunities to mess us up. And he's pretty good at his job. And we Are told to resist the devil and he will flee from us. But one of the devils 'things' is to make sin look and sound Really Good so that we don't naturally want to resist it. And that's where the Holy Spirit comes in -- he let's us know when we're messing up. So we have the Holy Spirit to listen to, also. And that's why we're told to be strong in the Lord because we Do have His power To resist.
BTW -- I'm Not trying to be a false teacher -- 1 Corinthians 15 :1-4 "to be saved" "I declare to you the Gospel ... by which also you are saved..... that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures and that He was buried, and that He rose again the 3rd day according to the Scriptures." Nothing in those verses about baptism being required or good works being required "to be saved".
God Does have good works for born again believers to do. And because we have the Holy Spirit indwelling us at the moment Of our salvation, He puts within us the desire To do 'good works' for God. If a person becomes a 'lazy' Christian, then he or she will miss out on blessings. And if that person starts being disobedient, they will be chastised which is never pleasant.
If a person Was able to keep all of the commandments all the time and be able to be saved that way -- there would be no need for the cross.
Jesus Christ Also told 'his people' that the greatest of All the Commandments -- would be to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul and mind and our neighbor as ourselves.
We Also have the devil who roams the earth looking for opportunities to mess us up. And he's pretty good at his job. And we Are told to resist the devil and he will flee from us. But one of the devils 'things' is to make sin look and sound Really Good so that we don't naturally want to resist it. And that's where the Holy Spirit comes in -- he let's us know when we're messing up. So we have the Holy Spirit to listen to, also. And that's why we're told to be strong in the Lord because we Do have His power To resist.
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Agree with most everything your saying,, but we also need to include what John has said that if we do stumble we have Jesus to mediate for us. BUt I agree we should keep the commandments of Jesus all his word we should keep, when someone becomes born again at first they may stumble in some of there old sinful lifestyle, but eventually they should conquer all knowing sin in there life.
Jesus tells us if we love him we will keep his word,
1 John 2:1
My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
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,,,,,,,,,, Jesus allows us to be born again so that through him we can keep his commandments,,,,, before we are born again we have no chance of keeping his comandments. I think we can keep the commandments to a level of our understanding.
Jesus tells people to sin no more in scripture, was he telling people something they could not do???????????????
@Dave M. -- so you're saying that salvation is to enable a person to be able To keep His commandments. Do those good works / keeping those commandments / help us to get to heaven? What about the blood of Jesus Christ being sufficient.
Well -- we're created with the propensity To sin. Everyone will be sinning to some degree or another. It came with the knowledge of both good and evil.
Well -- "keeping the commandments to the level of our understanding "--so if our environment hinders us from understanding God's Commandments , then...... is that one reason that some people won't read their Bible -- because if they Do -- then they will be held accountable for what they've read / understood. ?!
Some thinking is taking place. Sounds a lot like a works-based salvation and we know that isn't the case. Our actions show what is in our hearts.
We Are to become as Christ-like as possible. Growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. Whatever that ends up looking like.
Well -- we're created with the propensity To sin. Everyone will be sinning to some degree or another. It came with the knowledge of both good and evil.
Well -- "keeping the commandments to the level of our understanding "--so if our environment hinders us from understanding God's Commandments , then...... is that one reason that some people won't read their Bible -- because if they Do -- then they will be held accountable for what they've read / understood. ?!
Some thinking is taking place. Sounds a lot like a works-based salvation and we know that isn't the case. Our actions show what is in our hearts.
We Are to become as Christ-like as possible. Growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. Whatever that ends up looking like.
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can explain this a little more
I like how Paul says it
1 Corinthians 4:4
For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me.
Jesus shed His blood for the remission of our sins and to be reconciled to God but we are saved by His life, not by His death- ROM 5:10. Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin- Rev 1:5. 1 John2:1-2, there is enough said about what is required for salvation in this thread apart from belief.
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