Do You Know GOD?

[Question]

Thought to Ponder: Did God's Friend Abraham, Job, all the prophets, all Israel, and then the Christians worship God in complete Ignorance, since the Church Dogma of a 'Trinity' was never present?
Were Jesus' words praising his God- actually references and praises to 'Himself' and a 'Ghost'????

Matt 1:19- And Joseph her husband, being a righteous man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.
20- But when he thought on these things, behold, an angel of the Lord [Gods Name wasn't in Greek, at this time] appeared unto him in a dream,saying, Joseph,
thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the holy spirit.
21- And she shall bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name JESUS; for it is he that shall save his people from their sins.

Was this a Ghost-God that impregnated Mary- or the Power of the Most High, as Gabriel soon describes it to Mary?
Jesus literally means "Salvation of Jehovah" (in Hebrew).

 

[Question]

You should look to the Dead Sea Scrolls that many look to as confirmation of what the book of Isaiah says as it pertains to v9:6.
Which were Jewish Manuscripts, not Christian ones, and not found to exist until 1947.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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Can you quote it?

 

[Question]

Next comes the scripture long contorted & twisted to justify the X-Mas celebration.
Jesus was NOT a newborn- but had ALREADY been born.
Note that Herod has boys up to TWO YEARS OLD killed.
Also, keep in mind that traveling in those days took a LOT of time; no cars, planes, or buses!
Luke 2:4-21 tells how he WAS born, earlier, in Bethlehem (no astrologers/magi/ "wise men"), and was taken to the temple in Jerusalem eight days later.
That happened BEFORE this account in Matthew!)

Matt 2:1- Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king,behold, wise men [Magi/Astrologers- not numbered] from the east came to Jerusalem, asking,
2- Where is He Who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the east at its rising and have come to worship Him.

Keep in mind that "worship" in the KJV is a word used to show the highest honor- and was always
applied to those showing honor to Kings and Princes.
Today, it is a word used only of God- in the U.S.; in England it is STILL commonly used with government officials!

God passionately CONDEMNS astrology, stating how much He detests it.
Do the details indicate to YOU that GOD is the one sending the star?
That God is a HYPOCRITE; using a STAR to lead ASTROLOGERS to Herod in Jerusalem?
To the one who wanted the child DEAD?

 

[Christ4Ever]

Can you quote it?

Does it make a difference whether I can or cannot?

 

[Question]

Matt 2:7- Then Herod privily called the Wise-men (Magi/Astrologers), and learned of them exactly what time the star appeared.
8- And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search out exactly concerning the young child; and when
ye have found him, bring me word, that I also may come and worship him.
9- And they, having heard the king, went their way; and lo, the star, which they saw in the east,
went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

This star doesn't lead them to the young boy Christ, until they meet with Herod!

Is this God #2 born as a child? Is The Father God #1 and the Ghost God #3 in Heaven?
Or is it (gasp!) the only BEGOTTEN son of God (not to be confused with God-the- Son of Catholic origin)?

 

[Question]

Matt 1:22- Now all this is come to pass, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord [Jehovah] through the prophet, saying,
23- Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Immanuel; which is, being interpreted, God with us. - ASV

Now we all know Trinitarians try to use this to 'prove' Jesus was God (that's the only reason I quote this);
fact is MANY Hebrew names had this, or similar meaning.
The Names were usually to cement faith in God.
For example, "Jehu" means "He is Jehovah".
And, sorry churchoids- he was not God.
They are so DESPERATE to prop up their fantasy that they imagine it in every word!
God, however. is ALWAYS with those who sincerely have 'good' hearts!

 

[Christ4Ever]

Next comes the scripture long contorted & twisted to justify the X-Mas celebration.
Jesus was NOT a newborn- but had ALREADY been born.
Note that Herod has boys up to TWO YEARS OLD killed.
Also, keep in mind that traveling in those days took a LOT of time; no cars, planes, or buses!
Luke 2:4-21 tells how he WAS born, earlier, in Bethlehem (no astrologers/magi/ "wise men"), and was taken to the temple in Jerusalem eight days later.
That happened BEFORE this account in Matthew!)

Matt 2:1- Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king,behold, wise men [Magi/Astrologers- not numbered] from the east came to Jerusalem, asking,
2- Where is He Who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the east at its rising and have come to worship Him.

Keep in mind that "worship" in the KJV is a word used to show the highest honor- and was always
applied to those showing honor to Kings and Princes.
Today, it is a word used only of God- in the U.S.; in England it is STILL commonly used with government officials!

God passionately CONDEMNS astrology, stating how much He detests it.
Do the details indicate to YOU that GOD is the one sending the star?
That God is a HYPOCRITE; using a STAR to lead ASTROLOGERS to Herod in Jerusalem?
To the one who wanted the child DEAD?

You and many others seem to believe the Hollywood baby Jesus story as it pertains to the Magi coming from the east overnight along with the shepherds and heavenly host all surrounding the manger! It is not surprising to see wise men of the day, as well as today looking to the heavens for omens. You forget that the Bible is also a historical document of events that transpired. Not always showing God's approval/dislike of what transpired as it was happening. Now the shepherds saw years before by personal invite allows for the star to have presented itself to the Magi in the East then taking those 2 years to get there, which is not so quick as you might think. Herod certainly believed these men when they arrived to inquire of the King, whether you agree with them looking to the heavens or not to find out this information or do you not think that God would for a sign of the birth of His Son? Any who, Herod believed them, or he'd have not killed all the children 2 years and younger and Joseph would not have been warned in a dream to leave for Egypt because of what king Herod was going to do.

Maybe, it wasn't God setting the Star out, how about Satan wanting Jesus dead? or was it the afterglow of the heavenly host. We can conjecture what exactly the Magi saw, but they saw something which they attributed to a star, though what was behind the appearance of the Star is never actually stated except by Hollywood.

However, considering all that doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Question]

Matt 3:16- As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.
17- And a voice from heaven said,' This is my son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. '

To really learn, we must first pray, and ask our Maker to give us insight as we read.
AND, set aside preconceptions- to see what the scriptures say- not religion.

Again, the holy spirit- which is referred to as 'Power' by the angel Gabriel-, is seen as a glowing shape,
'LIKE' a dove; doves almost glow, shimmer in sunlight.
No human-like form as God, Christ and angels appear in vision, and as angels used to appear when on earth.
ALWAYS some form of light.
At Pentecost, ( Acts2 ) the sound of a rushing breeze is heard ('Spirit'/ Ruach, Pnema/Wind), and it appears 'like' flame.

Then the Voice.
Was God #1 ('God-the-Father') sending God #3 ('God-the-Ghost') upon God #2, who was now a man to possess 'Him'?
Many claim Jesus IS the Father. (" I and the Father are One ")
Most view them as somehow separate Persons that are ONE 'God'! Heh!
Simple fact: God speaks to His son from Heaven.

 

[Question]

Trinitarians, say Satan was tempting God Almighty! Read this carefully- and see if that makes ANY kind of sense!

Matt 4:1- Then Jesus was led by the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.

[Did a Ghost-God lead the Son God?]

2- After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry.
3- The tempter came to him and said, 'If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.'

[ Why didn't he say "If you are God-the-Son"?]

4- Jesus answered, ' It is written: ' People do not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God. '
5- Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.
6- 'If you are the Son of God,' he said, ' throw yourself down. For it is written: ' He will command His angels concerning you'',
and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'
7- Jesus answered him, ' It is also written: ' Do not put the Lord [Jehovah] your God to the test.'
8- Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
9- ' All this I will give you,' he said, ' if you will bow down and worship me.

[They ALREADY belonged to the Almighty, who said His son would have them.]

10- Jesus said to him, 'Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord [ "Jehovah" was removed again ] and serve him only.'
11- Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him.

Would Satan be Stupid enough to try and tempt God Almighty????
Did Jesus say ANYTHING that implied, hinted, or showed HIM to be the Almighty or part of a Trinity?

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear @Question
You are looking at the word "God" as a singular being as its meaning, and that is not true to those who believe in the Trinity of the Godhead. The word "God" has significance. Now you need to define it.

That is why in the Trinity, when God is mentioned, the context is important, because it can mean either God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit. Not 3 Gods, but 3 in One.

The problem with some of those who do not believe in the Trinity, is that they have a perception of the word God as His name, and not titular in meaning, without a Hierarchy even being considered.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Christ4Ever]

Would Satan be Stupid enough to try and tempt God Almighty????

You mean instead of trying to overthrow Him?

 

[Question]

The Name of God - Jehovah- Bible translators removed to be replaced by "the Lord"- to further the idea that Jesus was Almighty God.
Here, where Jesus quoted from the Hebrew scriptures (OT) he would NOT have substituted "Lord" for the Name of his God & Father!
Finally, Christ referred to the authority of the Scriptures as the basis for his stand, NEVER saying ' I don't live on Bread- I'm God, as you know!',
or 'It is ME ALONE you should worship!'

 

[Question]

Dear @Question
You are looking at the word "God" as a singular being as its meaning, and that is not true to those who believe in the Trinity of the Godhead. The word "God" has significance. Now you need to define it.

That is why in the Trinity, when God is mentioned, the context is important, because it can mean either God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit. Not 3 Gods, but 3 in One.

The problem with some of those who do not believe in the Trinity, is that they have a perception of the word God as His name, and not titular in meaning, without a Hierarchy even being considered.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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That is only in Church Dogma- NOT (as I'm illustrating) in the Bible!

 

[Question]

You mean instead of trying to overthrow Him?

You mean "THEM"?

 

[Question]

Matt 9:8- When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe; and they praised God, who had given such authority to man.

 

[Question]

Matt 10:18 - On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles.
19- But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say,
20- for it will not be you speaking, but the spirit of your Father speaking through you.

The breath (spirit) of the Father (Jehovah). The "POWER" of God directed them what to say. No Nameless Ghost God possessed them.
It tells us God is speaking THROUGH them, not 3 'God-beings'! The breath ("spirit") of the Father (God) not of any 'God-the-Son'.
Not of any 'Ghost-God'- but the spirit (breath) of God!


These Jews knew Jesus wasn't God- but given authority by him...

 

[Question]

Matt 10: 29- Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? and not one of them shall fall on the ground without your Father knowing it:
30- but the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31- Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
32- Every one therefore who shall confess me before men, him will I also confess before my Father who is in heaven.
33- But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father who is in heaven.
40- He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth Him that SENT me.

'My Father' is a separate Personage.
Jesus later tells Mary He is his GOD. (Matt 20)
The opening of most New Testament books open with something like 'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord, Jesus Christ'.
So Jesus is NOT God- as seen in his every reference; here he says he will represent mankind to his Father (God).

 

[Question]

If he WAS God, this would be a MEANINGLESS statement. (Altho Trinitarians can conjure up excuses for ANYTHING!)

Matt 11:15- many followed him, and he healed them all,
16- and ordered them not to make him known.
17- This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah:
18- Behold, my SERVANT whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased.
I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall proclaim justice to the Gentiles.
[MY spirit? A Ghost-God, or POWER?]
19- He will not wrangle or cry aloud, nor will any one hear his voice in the streets;
20- he will not break a bruised reed or quench a smoldering wick, till he brings justice to victory;
21- and in his name will the Gentiles hope.

Jesus- a Servant of God. Not a 'God-the-Servant- to Themselves'!

 

[Question]

Matt 11: 25- At that time Jesus answered and said, "I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have
hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.
26- Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in your sight.
27- All things have been delivered to me by My Father, and no one knows the son except the Father. Nor does
anyone know the Father except the son, and the one to whom the son wills to reveal Him.

Who is this 'Father' Christ speaks of?
Some Trinitarians have told me Jesus is ALSO the Father.
And yet the common Version of the Trinity holds they are Three Separate Beings (i.e. Gods) sharing the same
office, claiming they have equal authority, yet Christ NEVER said he was equal with God- even tho some of the scriptures
seem to say it in THEIR minds.
Philippians 2 even tells us Jesus never CONSIDERED trying to be equal with God!

Thus it is important to pay close attention to Christ s word FIRST- for HE should KNOW!

 

[Question]

Matt 12:15- Jesus, aware of this, withdrew from there. And many followed him, and he healed them all,
16- and ordered them not to make him known.
17- This was to fulfil what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah:
18- Behold, my SERVANT whom I have chosen, my beloved with whom my soul is well pleased. I will put my spirit [breath] upon him, and he shall proclaim justice to the Gentiles.
19- He will not wrangle or cry aloud, nor will any one hear his voice in the streets.

God is NO ONE'S servant.
Jesus is GOD'S servant.
And One God wasn't put into ANOTHER God by God!!!