Do the Protesters even know what they are Protesting ( Minneapolis).

[Rad]

I think I'll wait until you catch, before responding.
So as to not have to either one of us having to repeat ourselves.
Just say..."I've answered your last post!"

With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
\o/

Could you give me the posts i need to reply to Brother Nick, as ive replied to some and parts of others, lets get this discussion back on track, i understand its down to me having not replied to posts in sequence and getting backlogged, but let me put it right and we'll get back to the real issue which is what does Christ require of us and how should we lead our lives in relation to his teachings and commandments.

With the love of Christ Brother Nick

Steve

 

[Rad]

@Rad i want you to understand i don't turn from you in anger or because i am mad or hold any hard feelings i turn from you and walk away in sorrow @Rad and i will cry out to the Lord that IF it is in His Will to please bring you into alignment with Him @Rad i really hope you too fall on your knees and cry for the Light to come and shine on you to bring you to the Lord as a child and allow Him and Him alone lead you and to be your strength and comfort because once you do Trust Him all that guilt that you said ya feel in the talks that took place here on talk Jesus that feeling that conviction will go away see @Rad you don't even understand when the Holy Spirit is convicting(idk if that spelled right smh) you..
Understand this im not a nice person Lord is helping me with that but the one i was at This point if i was still her id help you hurry yourself to hell instead of praying for ya..
Sadly i have learned my limitations i have been taught that lesson n that is a hard one for me i cant save you just like i cant save my daughter..i cant even save myself..


I hope you find the Light @Rad

Ó⁠╭⁠╮⁠Ò

You believe that i'm "Evil and walking in Darkness", i believe that you too are "walking in Darkness and following a life that shows little of of Christs Love and Compassion", i would also say "humility", but i see this in your last post, something i havent seen before,........ perhaps the best both of us can do is to pray for the other and hope that God puts us back on the straight and narrow path to Salvation, because we're ALL in need of Gods Mercy, Grace and Forgiveness

 

[Christ4Ever]

Could you give me the posts i need to reply to Brother Nick, as ive replied to some and parts of others, lets get this discussion back on track, i understand its down to me having not replied to posts in sequence and getting backlogged, but let me put it right and we'll get back to the real issue which is what does Christ require of us and how should we lead our lives in relation to his teachings and commandments.

With the love of Christ Brother Nick

Steve

We'll try this again starting from #261
In the future, include the Post # in your reply and state whether you are finished responding. Add the Post # especially when replying to additional parts of the original post. If the reply is only partial, I won’t respond until it’s complete. So, as with this post, either reply in full or indicate that it’s not yet finished, so I know whether to respond or wait.

Now, therein lies the problem with trying to communicate with you on this subject. You continually return to “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”—the Golden Rule—yet seem unable to fully engage with the points I’ve raised about what righteous application of that command actually requires.

Consider this example (admittedly extreme, but one I haven’t used before): If a pedophile or any other unrepentant immoral person applied the Golden Rule strictly according to their own desires, they could justify introducing others to the same acts—after all, they have no problem with it being done to themselves. This conclusion is clearly outrageous and wrong. Yet it flows directly from a purely subjective reading of “do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” If the standard is simply “whatever I personally find acceptable,” almost any behavior can be rationalized. This reveals the danger of using one’s own preferences as the ultimate measure of righteousness—especially when imposing that judgment on others without their consent. I do not believe this is what Jesus intended.

This same approach treats taking resources from one group and giving them to another without consent as acceptable. When policies effectively allow individuals into a country or community without the existing residents having a meaningful say, it imposes burdens and risks on them based solely on our own sense of compassion or justice.

I understand you see this differently. You appear to assess whether other countries are providing adequate services and opportunities, and if they fall short of what you consider sufficient, you view external pressure or intervention as justified. However, as I’ve noted before, many of these places already offer the kinds of provisions you mentioned—even if they don’t reach the higher standards you believe are required.

In practice, this results in redistributing resources or imposing costs on some without their consent to address what one judges to be greater needs elsewhere. While motivated by a desire to obey Jesus’ commands, this method raises serious questions about whether it truly aligns with His teachings. Scripture strongly affirms generosity and care for the vulnerable, but it also upholds justice, personal responsibility, and voluntary giving. Jesus never condoned theft or coercion as a means of fulfilling the law of love.

Moreover, experience shows that such interventions often produce unintended negative consequences that ultimately harm the very people they aim to help, as well as broader stability and relationships.

Believe it or not, that’s socialism/communism at its core. Don’t get me wrong—capitalism has serious flaws when taken to extremes as well. The real difference lies in the approach to human creativity and productivity. One system seeks to reward and expand it; the other penalizes it by seizing the fruits of innovation and redistributing them to everyone, regardless of whether they contributed.

If inventors and investors can keep meaningful gains from their risks and efforts, they will continue creating and investing. But if they see their work taken and given to others who contributed nothing, why would they persist? It’s doubtful they would.

This principle is clearly stated in 2 Thessalonians 3:7-10: those who are able should work to provide for themselves rather than live off the labor of others. When it comes to the organizations and people you’re supporting in other countries—do they actually follow this biblical standard? It seems doubtful. Until our previous conversation, you weren’t even aware of whether these groups made any effort to share or spread the Gospel alongside the aid.

In truth, then, your decision to support these efforts isn’t really about furthering the Kingdom of God, is it? Providing goods and a path to a better life without Jesus seems closer to the actual priority. I do not believe this is what Jesus intended.

An additional point I’ve raised before is that these actions are also prompting governing authorities to enact even stricter laws than before—making both illegal and legal immigration more difficult. I’m not sure you’ve fully considered that consequence.

End of reply to post #261.

With the Love in Christ Jesus brother Steve.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
\o/

 

[Twistie]

You believe that i'm "Evil and walking in Darkness", i believe that you too are "walking in Darkness and following a life that shows little of of Christs Love and Compassion", i would also say "humility", but i see this in your last post, something i havent seen before,........ perhaps the best both of us can do is to pray for the other and hope that God puts us back on the straight and narrow path to Salvation, because we're ALL in need of Gods Mercy, Grace and Forgiveness

Says the one who has not a lick of courage to be able to do was is right in the Eyes of the Lord..says the one that would put his own granny out in the streets for a rapist or murderer..
Says the one that dont know their right from their Left..

Like its is written i shall do..

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone

Lord shows what you are not I

 

[Rad]

We'll try this again starting from #261
In the future, include the Post # in your reply and state whether you are finished responding. Add the Post # especially when replying to additional parts of the original post. If the reply is only partial, I won’t respond until it’s complete. So, as with this post, either reply in full or indicate that it’s not yet finished, so I know whether to respond or wait.

Now, therein lies the problem with trying to communicate with you on this subject. You continually return to “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”—the Golden Rule—yet seem unable to fully engage with the points I’ve raised about what righteous application of that command actually requires.

Consider this example (admittedly extreme, but one I haven’t used before): If a pedophile or any other unrepentant immoral person applied the Golden Rule strictly according to their own desires, they could justify introducing others to the same acts—after all, they have no problem with it being done to themselves. This conclusion is clearly outrageous and wrong. Yet it flows directly from a purely subjective reading of “do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” If the standard is simply “whatever I personally find acceptable,” almost any behavior can be rationalized. This reveals the danger of using one’s own preferences as the ultimate measure of righteousness—especially when imposing that judgment on others without their consent. I do not believe this is what Jesus intended.

But they would have a problem in having it done to themselves, i would imagine most pedophiles , child abusers, rapists, or those that inflict sadistic acts upon others would not want those same acts inflicted on them, would the rapist want to be raped, the pedophile want to be abused as a child, the sadist have cruel and painful acts inflicted on them, no they wouldnt, the "golden rule of "treat others as you'd want to be treated "applies to nearly all humans, and its probably only those with a severe mental disorder who would enjoy having pain, cruelty and suffering inflicted on them, as such, the golden rule is a firm basis on which to base our actions and when combined with "Love God with all your heart, soul and mind and Love others as you Love yourself" provides the bedrock of our faith

This same approach treats taking resources from one group and giving them to another without consent as acceptable. When policies effectively allow individuals into a country or community without the existing residents having a meaningful say, it imposes burdens and risks on them based solely on our own sense of compassion or justice.

But that is the basis of any Democracy, the will of the majority determines the course of the Government, and if that means money is taken in the form of taxation from either willing or unwilling citizens to pay for services and programmes voted as most worthy by the electorate then thats what happens, or are you suggesting that everyone should be free to decide whether or not they pay and contribute to Government expenditure. So those that are anti war, or anti police would opt out of paying for the military and police services and those who are opposed to Aid or social services could opt out of paying for those, surely a recipe for Chaos and disorder and the disintegration of society. What i'm advocating is that Christians should base their actions , both in the personal and civil sphere, on the teachings of Christ and seek to see his values in their own life, and in the values of the society they belong to and the world we are all a part of.

I understand you see this differently. You appear to assess whether other countries are providing adequate services and opportunities, and if they fall short of what you consider sufficient, you view external pressure or intervention as justified. However, as I’ve noted before, many of these places already offer the kinds of provisions you mentioned—even if they don’t reach the higher standards you believe are required.

There are nearly 1 billion people in this world living in abject poverty on a couple of $'s a day, 800 million are hungry and lack access to clean water, around 6 million young children die every year from the effects of malnutrition and easily preventable disease, yet we live in a world where there is adequate resources to provide everyone with a decent standard of living. Only Greed and selfishness prevents the world from addressing these problems, and as Christians we must act to bring the Light of Gods Justice, Mercy and Kindness into the darkness of this suffering world.

In practice, this results in redistributing resources or imposing costs on some without their consent to address what one judges to be greater needs elsewhere. While motivated by a desire to obey Jesus’ commands, this method raises serious questions about whether it truly aligns with His teachings. Scripture strongly affirms generosity and care for the vulnerable, but it also upholds justice, personal responsibility, and voluntary giving. Jesus never condoned theft or coercion as a means of fulfilling the law of love.

So do you believe that feeding a starving child is worth "imposing costs on some without their consent ", or that providing medical care and clean water to prevent the huge numbers of deaths of young children from Diarrohea is worth "imposing costs on some without their consent", because i certainly do, as Christians we have a duty both in our personal and civil lives to follow and apply Christs teachings, and Compassion for those in need is an integral part of our faith, so whether it be our own personal giving, or advocating the provision of Aid ,paid through Taxation not "theft or coercion", both are essential elements in showing Gods love to those in need.

Moreover, experience shows that such interventions often produce unintended negative consequences that ultimately harm the very people they aim to help, as well as broader stability and relationships.

I would be interested to know which interventions you are referring to, but in general, the effects of not helping those in need are far worse than if we helped. When war, famine, climate induced disasters, or just general poverty impact on peoples lives, to do nothing just adds to the suffering and death, well directed and appropriate aid can save the lives of many and with further well funded, long term programmes can help people prepare for the next disaster or work to life themselves out of the poverty they are in.

Believe it or not, that’s socialism/communism at its core. Don’t get me wrong—capitalism has serious flaws when taken to extremes as well. The real difference lies in the approach to human creativity and productivity. One system seeks to reward and expand it; the other penalizes it by seizing the fruits of innovation and redistributing them to everyone, regardless of whether they contributed.

I dont see that as "socialism", i see it as the application of Christs teachings and commandments in a world of plenty but riven by Poverty, Death and Destruction. Why is it "Socialism" to help the poor, why is it Socialism to advocate for increased allocation of resources for those in need, why is it socialism to try to "love your Neighbour as yourself" and "treat others as you'd want to be treated"?, because if we were in their situation, we would want help, we wouldnt want to see our children starve, or every day to be a gruelling struggle to survive, or watch our crops wither in the ground as climate change makes Droughts and heatwaves more intense and longer, we'd want a "Hand up" to help us survive and get out of the situation we're in.

You have to ask yourself what is the driving force behind Capitalism, it is all about greed and selfishness, of maximising profit, of getting as much out of the system as you can regardless of the consequences. Look around the world Brother Nick, this is what Capitalism has brought us to, a world where hundreds of millions live and die in abject poverty while a favoured few live in wealth and comfort, a world pushed to the brink of destruction by an all embracing rapacious greed, a world devoid of Love, Compassion and Justice and where the overriding question is "Whats in it for me"?.Is that the world you envisage Christ would want us to create?.

If inventors and investors can keep meaningful gains from their risks and efforts, they will continue creating and investing. But if they see their work taken and given to others who contributed nothing, why would they persist? It’s doubtful they would.

As i say, greed and selfishness are the driving force behind Capitalism, remove those and the whole Evil system falls apart

This principle is clearly stated in 2 Thessalonians 3:7-10: those who are able should work to provide for themselves rather than live off the labor of others. When it comes to the organizations and people you’re supporting in other countries—do they actually follow this biblical standard? It seems doubtful. Until our previous conversation, you weren’t even aware of whether these groups made any effort to share or spread the Gospel alongside the aid

Agreed, and people in other countries work hard to try to provide for themselves and their families, i have seen situations where i am amazed at the resilience of them and just how hard they do work, i was watching a programme of the Salt producers of India a couple of days ago, people working in the desert, enduring all sorts of hardship just to survive and provide for their families, it would do ALL of us good to be taken with our families to the poorest places in the world, places of great hardship and suffering, and live there for a year, and see then whether or not we think they follow this Biblical standard, because the truth is, if they dont work they die, and so do their families, there is no Social security, no retirement plans, no public provision of support, you either work hard or suffer and die, thats the choice many face in this world. Who amongst us would want to have to live like that, and the fact is it doesnt have to be that way, its a choice we make every day, so lets make the choice to show Christs Love, Compassion and justice for those in need and work to try to make this world a better place for ALL of Gods creation.

And after our last conversation about this i have switched some more of my giving to Christian based Charities, those that combine good works with their faith, as Christ said, "Let your good works so shine that men may see them and glorify your father in heaven", i still give to non Christian groups like MSF and Amnesty, MSF because of its special Medical services they provide and Amnesty because of its vast experience in Human rights protections and Political prisoners.

In truth, then, your decision to support these efforts isn’t really about furthering the Kingdom of God, is it? Providing goods and a path to a better life without Jesus seems closer to the actual priority. I do not believe this is what Jesus intended.

But in providing food for the hungry, clothes for the Naked, Housing for the homeless, water for the thirsty, medical provision for the sick and help for the imprisoned we are "furthering the Kingdom of God", each righteous act we take in following Christs teachings and commandments is "furthering the Kingdom of God", each time we treat others as we'd want to be treated and love our neighbour as ourselves we are "furthering the Kingdom of God", for our faith cannot be just by words alone, but must be by actions of Love, Compassion and Justice so that men may see our good works and praise our Father in Heaven.

An additional point I’ve raised before is that these actions are also prompting governing authorities to enact even stricter laws than before—making both illegal and legal immigration more difficult. I’m not sure you’ve fully considered that consequence.

That does not surprise me, for the Kingdoms of this world are ruled by the Devil, the forces of Greed and selfishness, Power and lust predominate and any action that tries to bring light into the Darkness will be resisted by these forces of Evil. But with Christs help and strength we must strive to overcome and bring Gods Love and Compassion into his suffering world.

End of reply

With the Love of Christ Jesus Brother Nick

Steve

End of reply to post #261.

With the Love in Christ Jesus brother Steve.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
\o/

 

[Christ4Ever]

But they would have a problem in having it done to themselves, i would imagine most pedophiles , child abusers, rapists, or those that inflict sadistic acts upon others would not want those same acts inflicted on them, would the rapist want to be raped, the pedophile want to be abused as a child, the sadist have cruel and painful acts inflicted on them, no they wouldnt, the "golden rule of "treat others as you'd want to be treated "applies to nearly all humans, and its probably only those with a severe mental disorder who would enjoy having pain, cruelty and suffering inflicted on them, as such, the golden rule is a firm basis on which to base our actions and when combined with "Love God with all your heart, soul and mind and Love others as you Love yourself" provides the bedrock of our faith

That you would imagine! That is the crux of what I have been trying to communicate to you, in the command given to all of us, and the one that keeps coming up is that the determination being made is by what you feel is right to do in the guise of love. That has always been where we are at loggerhead, because if isolated from the rest of scripture, you'd be right, but because of the rest of scripture you are not. Which is what you are having difficulty in seeing/believing.

You should not be surprised at the baseness/depravity of humanity to its wants/desires! Without the Holy Spirit/discernment you and I would be no different. Longing for that which we do not know, while still enjoying the perversity of sin. That Is the condition of man without Jesus and no amount of anything you provide all of humanity, if that were possible, and the reason for doing so would satisfy them or make them whole. That is what you cannot see. Love is the bedrock of our faith brother Steve, not the worlds. There is a thing called misguided love.

This same approach treats taking resources from one group and giving them to another without consent as acceptable. When policies effectively allow individuals into a country or community without the existing residents having a meaningful say, it imposes burdens and risks on them based solely on our own sense of compassion or justice.

But that is the basis of any Democracy, the will of the majority determines the course of the Government, and if that means money is taken in the form of taxation from either willing or unwilling citizens to pay for services and programmes voted as most worthy by the electorate then thats what happens, or are you suggesting that everyone should be free to decide whether or not they pay and contribute to Government expenditure. So those that are anti war, or anti police would opt out of paying for the military and police services and those who are opposed to Aid or social services could opt out of paying for those, surely a recipe for Chaos and disorder and the disintegration of society. What i'm advocating is that Christians should base their actions , both in the personal and civil sphere, on the teachings of Christ and seek to see his values in their own life, and in the values of the society they belong to and the world we are all a part of.

Not at all, but this Democracy in the US which is not what it was originally (Republic), is not one held anywhere else! For the dictates are for the benefit of the governed of which they are a part of. You are not a part of it, nor a contributor to it, and yet would dictate what they are to do! Those within it may disagree, but that is not your place to do so unless you come here and become a part of it. Instead, you are outside looking in and attempting to move the pieces to make happen what you believe is right. Without having to face the consequences of your actions. Seems like you've been there before. Ultimately, one would say about your actions is, you don't have an iron in the fire that allows you to do so! After reading this, what you will then do is move the goal post, to Jesus' commands supersedes all the governments, which puts us back to who gave the authority to the governments to govern in the first place, but God. Don't use the Acts argument to rebut what I'm presenting to you because it doesn't.

How you should have ended the last part is with "irrespective of how it may affect others" in the same pain and suffering you are attempting to alleviate for others who are not of this democracy or belief for that matter. You would have God force the unbeliever to believe but that is not love. That is misguided love to think that is the way it should happen. That is not what Jesus is communicating or asking for you to do.

I understand you see this differently. You appear to assess whether other countries are providing adequate services and opportunities, and if they fall short of what you consider sufficient, you view external pressure or intervention as justified. However, as I’ve noted before, many of these places already offer the kinds of provisions you mentioned—even if they don’t reach the higher standards you believe are required.

There are nearly 1 billion people in this world living in abject poverty on a couple of $'s a day, 800 million are hungry and lack access to clean water, around 6 million young children die every year from the effects of malnutrition and easily preventable disease, yet we live in a world where there is adequate resources to provide everyone with a decent standard of living. Only Greed and selfishness prevents the world from addressing these problems, and as Christians we must act to bring the Light of Gods Justice, Mercy and Kindness into the darkness of this suffering world.

Are you going to solve this issue in what you are doing? No, you are not. Are you going to save these people? No, you can't. You are not in charge to make anything happen brother, as much as you'd like to, and know the resolution to be right. (hug) I know this to be true, because you are dealing with the symptoms and not the cause! Until you address that, no matter what you do in trying to change humanity to do what is right, it will not happen. You’re more likely to push those who might have been willing to help you into even greater resistance against what you’re doing!

Again, you are misguided, in the belief that taking from one to help others is a sign of God's Justice, Mercy, and Kindness. If you are able to convince them to voluntarily do so it would be fine, but attempting to force them to, is not of God. Don't forget the story in Acts of Ananias and Sapphira.

In practice, this results in redistributing resources or imposing costs on some without their consent to address what one judges to be greater needs elsewhere. While motivated by a desire to obey Jesus’ commands, this method raises serious questions about whether it truly aligns with His teachings. Scripture strongly affirms generosity and care for the vulnerable, but it also upholds justice, personal responsibility, and voluntary giving. Jesus never condoned theft or coercion as a means of fulfilling the law of love.

So do you believe that feeding a starving child is worth "imposing costs on some without their consent ", or that providing medical care and clean water to prevent the huge numbers of deaths of young children from Diarrohea is worth "imposing costs on some without their consent", because i certainly do, as Christians we have a duty both in our personal and civil lives to follow and apply Christs teachings, and Compassion for those in need is an integral part of our faith, so whether it be our own personal giving, or advocating the provision of Aid ,paid through Taxation not "theft or coercion", both are essential elements in showing Gods love to those in need.

Your duty as a Christian is to give them Jesus! Which you cannot force them to accept!!! Is it better for them to die with a full belly and healthy but not have Jesus, or starving, and sickly, but with Jesus? Both is not an option, because that's not what you are doing is it??? Though in part you are changing this, which is all to the good!

You like to mention "taxes", and what is being done with them. What you fail to understand, that it's for the governed to decide, and not those who are not being taxed to have a say in. Not to be cruel, but the latter is you. You have no say in the USA now. Just like I have no say for the things done with the taxes you pay, where you live. Whether I agree with what is being done or not. Remember part of the reason the colonies went to war with England, was because of that very thing. The rallying cry was Taxation without Representation! Research that saying and you will see the why of it if you don't know already. That is why you will create resistance instead of finding help.

Moreover, experience shows that such interventions often produce unintended negative consequences that ultimately harm the very people they aim to help, as well as broader stability and relationships.

I would be interested to know which interventions you are referring to, but in general, the effects of not helping those in need are far worse than if we helped. When war, famine, climate induced disasters, or just general poverty impact on peoples lives, to do nothing just adds to the suffering and death, well directed and appropriate aid can save the lives of many and with further well funded, long term programmes can help people prepare for the next disaster or work to life themselves out of the poverty they are in.

This should have been with the section that followed in respect to socialism/communism.

Believe it or not, that’s socialism/communism at its core. Don’t get me wrong—capitalism has serious flaws when taken to extremes as well. The real difference lies in the approach to human creativity and productivity. One system seeks to reward and expand it; the other penalizes it by seizing the fruits of innovation and redistributing them to everyone, regardless of whether they contributed.

I dont see that as "socialism", i see it as the application of Christs teachings and commandments in a world of plenty but riven by Poverty, Death and Destruction. Why is it "Socialism" to help the poor, why is it Socialism to advocate for increased allocation of resources for those in need, why is it socialism to try to "love your Neighbour as yourself" and "treat others as you'd want to be treated"?, because if we were in their situation, we would want help, we wouldnt want to see our children starve, or every day to be a gruelling struggle to survive, or watch our crops wither in the ground as climate change makes Droughts and heatwaves more intense and longer, we'd want a "Hand up" to help us survive and get out of the situation we're in.

You have to ask yourself what is the driving force behind Capitalism, it is all about greed and selfishness, of maximising profit, of getting as much out of the system as you can regardless of the consequences. Look around the world Brother Nick, this is what Capitalism has brought us to, a world where hundreds of millions live and die in abject poverty while a favoured few live in wealth and comfort, a world pushed to the brink of destruction by an all embracing rapacious greed, a world devoid of Love, Compassion and Justice and where the overriding question is "Whats in it for me"?.Is that the world you envisage Christ would want us to create?.

I know you don't see it, but its rather simple believe it or not. One is voluntary (Christian), while the other is involuntary (Socialism/Communism). See Acts again.

People need to stop relying on the government to fix the problems, instead if the Church were truly spread as much as it should be, they'd be the ones resolving the issues of need!!! That is why you're supposed to spread the Gospel, because by doing so, you are creating an extension of the Body of Christ, the Church, to do the things that the governments are not doing. You'd also would have Godly men & women serving in the governments, because where do those servants come from who are in government??? The resource for those public servants is the society they come from!

Remember my mentioning of Dominionism? When you talk about trying to establish the Kingdom of God, that's what you are doing. Not right and not going to happen.

If inventors and investors can keep meaningful gains from their risks and efforts, they will continue creating and investing. But if they see their work taken and given to others who contributed nothing, why would they persist? It’s doubtful they would.

As i say, greed and selfishness are the driving force behind Capitalism, remove those and the whole Evil system falls apart

How do you get rid of greed & selfishness???? lol
JESUS!!!!

This principle is clearly stated in 2 Thessalonians 3:7-10: those who are able should work to provide for themselves rather than live off the labor of others. When it comes to the organizations and people you’re supporting in other countries—do they actually follow this biblical standard? It seems doubtful. Until our previous conversation, you weren’t even aware of whether these groups made any effort to share or spread the Gospel alongside the aid

Agreed, and people in other countries work hard to try to provide for themselves and their families, i have seen situations where i am amazed at the resilience of them and just how hard they do work, i was watching a programme of the Salt producers of India a couple of days ago, people working in the desert, enduring all sorts of hardship just to survive and provide for their families, it would do ALL of us good to be taken with our families to the poorest places in the world, places of great hardship and suffering, and live there for a year, and see then whether or not we think they follow this Biblical standard, because the truth is, if they dont work they die, and so do their families, there is no Social security, no retirement plans, no public provision of support, you either work hard or suffer and die, thats the choice many face in this world. Who amongst us would want to have to live like that, and the fact is it doesnt have to be that way, its a choice we make every day, so lets make the choice to show Christs Love, Compassion and justice for those in need and work to try to make this world a better place for ALL of Gods creation.

And after our last conversation about this i have switched some more of my giving to Christian based Charities, those that combine good works with their faith, as Christ said, "Let your good works so shine that men may see them and glorify your father in heaven", i still give to non Christian groups like MSF and Amnesty, MSF because of its special Medical services they provide and Amnesty because of its vast experience in Human rights protections and Political prisoners.

Some of your giving has been moved to Christian based Charities??? Move all of it! Unless there are no Christian Organizations that are doing the work where you want to have effect of your charity, then see about having one created that will do so! Not to repeat myself, but they need Jesus, more than anything else! Using resources to take care of needs allows at times the door to be cracked that allows the Gospel to enter. I have no problem with that. God bless you in this endeavor too!

In truth, then, your decision to support these efforts isn’t really about furthering the Kingdom of God, is it? Providing goods and a path to a better life without Jesus seems closer to the actual priority. I do not believe this is what Jesus intended.

But in providing food for the hungry, clothes for the Naked, Housing for the homeless, water for the thirsty, medical provision for the sick and help for the imprisoned we are "furthering the Kingdom of God", each righteous act we take in following Christs teachings and commandments is "furthering the Kingdom of God", each time we treat others as we'd want to be treated and love our neighbour as ourselves we are "furthering the Kingdom of God", for our faith cannot be just by words alone, but must be by actions of Love, Compassion and Justice so that men may see our good works and praise our Father in Heaven.

You said it, "in Christ"! You know Jesus, but do those you are helping know Him, and are you allowed to help them know Him? Because you might believe you are furthering the Kingdom of God, but without Jesus, they're not going to be able to enter the very place you want them to be a part of!!!

An additional point I’ve raised before is that these actions are also prompting governing authorities to enact even stricter laws than before—making both illegal and legal immigration more difficult. I’m not sure you’ve fully considered that consequence.

That does not surprise me, for the Kingdoms of this world are ruled by the Devil, the forces of Greed and selfishness, Power and lust predominate and any action that tries to bring light into the Darkness will be resisted by these forces of Evil. But with Christs help and strength we must strive to overcome and bring Gods Love and Compassion into his suffering world.

Love you brother! Through Jesus! Again, and Again, and Again, ad infinitum! The Gospel being presented to them, and Jesus in their hearts minds and souls spoken of by their lips as their Savior is what will overcome anything even death!

When they are able to see the marks of Jesus, in the people before them, that is when...

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With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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