Can A Saved person Ever Become Unsaved?

[rag4aCrown]

is it because I wasnt baptised is why I am now unsaved

When one has been baptized with His baptism, one has a testimony to tell. It doesn't mean All will receive our testimony; just as all have not received Christ. Many are called but few are chosen. From the heart He knows us and from the heart we know Him. Amen.

 

[rag4aCrown]

In one of your post you said you believe you are unsaved. As you believe so it is; but why not give your heart to God and LIVE. It is ETERNAL life; what is inside is manifested on the outside. What is consuming your heart? In order for Him to increase, I must decrease. I want more of Him in me, then my lustful flesh can deny His existance IN ME.

 

[Erikb]

I really understand what you are saying but Im definitly confused about why Im not feeling any sorow so thats why Im asking or more like saying I believe I am unsaved,,,,can I decide to be unsaved??

`so you said God doesnt walk away from us why cant I feel him

why arent I feeling anything bad about sinning??

We cannot save ourselfs at all. Who saves is only Jesus, that's if we want salvation. In Luke 18 we can read of a rich man who once asked Jesus this question "what must I do to be saved?" Jesus tells him sell everything and come follow me, and then we read but the man went away sad because he was very rich..

The disciples ask Jesus who than can be saved? And Jesus replays with man this is impossible but with God all things are possible. Jesus is still calling us to come follow him, we must do everything 100% in our effort and God will do 100% everything on his side because he is ever faithful.

Rom 2:4 Or so you [..] not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

Titus 2:11-12
For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. [12] It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age,

When we humble ourselfs before God, Gods grace teaches us to say NO to sin.

 

[Waggles]

"Can a saved person ever become unsaved?"

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant,
wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Hebrews 10:26-31

2Peter 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue ... knowledge ... temperance ... patience ... godliness ... brotherly kindness ... charity ...
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
2Peter 1:8-9

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein,
and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
2Peter 2:20-22

10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 22:10-13

 

[Waggles]

can I decide to be unsaved??

Yes. Free will. God/Holy Spirit will not overide your self-will.
You must choose between life and death. If you choose life, then the blood of the Lamb and the gospel is available to you.
If you choose to be unsaved, then so be it.

Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life,
that both thou and thy seed may live:
Proverbs 8:35-36
For whoso finds me finds life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
36 But he that sins against me wrongs his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

 

[Mr Popples]

In one of your post you said you believe you are unsaved. As you believe so it is; but why not give your heart to God and LIVE. It is ETERNAL life; what is inside is manifested on the outside. What is consuming your heart? In order for Him to increase, I must decrease. I want more of Him in me, then my lustful flesh can deny His existance IN ME.

 

[Mr Popples]

Yes. Free will. God/Holy Spirit will not overide your self-will.
You must choose between life and death. If you choose life, then the blood of the Lamb and the gospel is available to you.
If you choose to be unsaved, then so be it.

Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life,
that both thou and thy seed may live:
Proverbs 8:35-36
For whoso finds me finds life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
36 But he that sins against me wrongs his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

If its ok I would like to elaborate on this??? you must choose between life and death....I havnt chosen it was done for me.... I figure when someone sins they should feel some sense of guilt well that is the problem here I am not feeling that so back to the question does that mean I am unsaved??

 

[Mr Popples]

ok well agree to disagree I may now be unsaved or maybe not ....reguardless why dont I feel like my sin is wrong???

 

[rag4aCrown]

Why don't you feel your sin is wrong and have remorse for it?

You are the only one that can answer that.

Has the Holy Spirit ever been allowed to LIVE in the dwelling temple of your heart, mind, body, and strength?

Has a foul spirit convinced you "it is ok, fear not"? When Lord Jesus tells us "to fear Him, who is able to cast into hell".

God has convicted your heart or you would not even call it sin. You know wrong doing, but now "why don't I have remorse"?

God can bring us to our knees brother, in a blubbering, CRYING OUT Abba Father and true repentance from the heart, mind, body and strength has found us.

We are fool's to think "I found God!". No, God found me; on my knees in despair, convicted of sin, disgusted with self, ready to end my own life, CRYING OUT Abba Father. It was there He lifted me up, brother, it was there SALVATION came. Amen.

I thought I was saved many years ago, but on that day, true salvation came to me.

Maybe you have no remorse because sin would not be made known except first there be a falling away.
Sounds like you recognize your fall but true conviction has not come. It shall; however, I pray greater destruction not come upon you in the process, in Jesus name I pray.
Because of our own disobedience does greater destruction come.
However in so doing, the goodness of God brings a soul to repentance. Amen.

 

[Mr Popples]

i know what im going is wrong because of society but i enjoy it too much is that so wrong

 

[rag4aCrown]

Deny the flesh, the LUST of it and the PRIDE of this life.

We can't serve God and mammon. It is our choice to choose this day whom we will serve and do it.

If we choose this world and it's treasures, God says we have our reward. For where our treasure is, there our heart will be also.

What is consuming your heart?
God, or this world and it's affairs?

 

[amadeus2]

As we move along serving God some of the things that He made "very good' in the beginning (Gen 1:31) will become very good to us again. Our priorities are always the problem. Anything that we put in front of God is wrong. God made all things "very good" for you and for me to enjoy, but we (mankind) have twisted things and used them in the wrong ways or given them the wrong priority.

 

[Waggles]

i know what im going is wrong because of society but i enjoy it too much is that so wrong

You can not measure what is sin and what is righteousness by comparison against social values and societal conduct. We live in societies that pick and choose their
moral issues, mostly political and lifestyle causes that are popular.

Sin and wrongdoing can only be determined by reading the gospels and the epistles of the New Testament. Measure yourself against the Word of God.
Then you will see how you measure up. As to how you respond - well that is still up to you. Many read or hear the gospel and do not believe and obey.
Free will - where your heart is there is your treasure. You are not alone.

As for not having a 'bad' conscience in respect to sinning, enjoying what ever it is you do - that simply means that you are not convicted by the need to
accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. You do not want to repent as yet.
However, just be mindful that the wages of sin is death... eternal condemnation where the flame is never extinguished... Jesus warns everyone often in
the gospels.

 

[Erikb]

ok well agree to disagree I may now be unsaved or maybe not ....reguardless why dont I feel like my sin is wrong???

We don't live by feelings* He who does what is right is righteous. Choose what is right.

Sometimes one need reach a deep low in there life like drugs or prison to come to there senses, like the prodigal, but it's not worth it, you will be more prone to have strong temptations come back for the rest of your life.

 

[KingJ]

i know what im going is wrong because of society but i enjoy it too much is that so wrong

You sound like me just before I got saved.

You are making a sound argument. Saying you are not convicted is good. Judging ourselves is good 1 Cor 11:31. Mankind is accountable for sin because we have working brain's able to discern evil.

There are just two issues to think about with regards to sins that don't convict us.

1. Seared conscience and
2. Sins directed at God.

1. Adulterers could be so consumed with pleasing themselves that they not care for the damage they are doing to their family and spouses. The torture they are putting others through. Evil 101 is hurting / torturing others. Hence Jesus says the second commandment is to love others as yourself.

2. The first example that comes to mind for me is sexual sins. If we exclude God from our thoughts then grasping the evil in this is almost impossible. So, clearly the first sin is that God is being excluded from our thoughts. When we grasp that God our creator is up there watching us. Then we can clearly grasp that dishonoring the bodies He gave us is very evil. GLBT = pulling middle finger to God.

 

[Mr Popples]

well I think if no one else knows then they cant get hurt that first scripture about having working brains able to disern evil is that true??

 

[Mr Popples]

We don't live by feelings* He who does what is right is righteous. Choose what is right.

Sometimes one need reach a deep low in there life like drugs or prison to come to there senses, like the prodigal, but it's not worth it, you will be more prone to have strong temptations come back for the rest of your life.

exactly too much temptation

 

[KingJ]

well I think if no one else knows then they cant get hurt that first scripture about having working brains able to disern evil is that true??

What act is it that you are alluding to?

There is no scripture saying that. It is common sense from scripture.

 

[Mr Popples]

being with someone else

 

[rag4aCrown]

No

well I think if no one else knows then they cant get hurt that first scripture about having working brains able to disern evil is that true??

No, that isn't scripture that is KingJ leaning to his own understanding (again). Praise God for him.
However, you took a vow to your wife in the presence of God, whether you (felt) him there or not, He was, still is, and will be.

If no one knows then nobody gets hurt. Really? She already knows. There are spirits hanging on you, and you don't even realize they are there.

You know it is wrong and Now you are in greived in heart for being unfaithful.
Here is a scripture for you.
There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed.

REPENT; least greater destruction come upon you.
The goodness of God brings a soul to repentance.
We witness the goodness of God's grace and forgiveness at our lowest, darkest journeys in this life.

Is there kids involved too?