Here is a point I look to make to a Calvinist,in which I have yet to get any kind of scriptural answer to,so perhaps you can help me understand. Let say for the sake not to debate this, that you are correct. Here is my question.If Jesus does everything including believing for us,which there is no scripture saying this,then upon judgment( Rev 20:11-15) How can we be judged at all? Jesus did it himself! He predestined me to not believe to start with? Now we know from his own word he would have everyone believe!( 2 Peter 3:9) So if God controls everything including ones own belief how can any perish? And if any do then it is not our fault, God did it himself. Is this correct??
I agree with you !!! however we also have to look at scripture like the following
John 15:16
You did not choose me,
but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you;
I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
Ephesians 1:3-4
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as
he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the
Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
Romans 8:28-30
And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also
predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those
whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
Now for all that predestined talk and he chose us talk, there is also scripture that say we have choice to believe, so its a hard topic to full comprehend which I do not think man in the flesh is able to fully comprehend.
For the record I believe what scriptures says and that is
we have a choice to believe or not, and that God already knows what we are going to choose!!!.
I am no Calvinist !!!
John 1:12-13
But to all who did receive him,
who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Joshua 24:15
And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord,
choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”
John 20:29
Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have
not seen and yet have believed.”
John 14:1
“Let not your hearts be troubled.
Believe in God; believe also in me.
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who
believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,