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Acts 2.38 is not the plan of salvation?

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The way I read all of these translations is... if you do A and B, then you will receive C.
If you repent and get baptized (in water) then you will receive the Holy Spirit.

Luke 11:13; "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"
Acts 5:32; "And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."

If we look at all 5 "baptism in the Holy Spirit" incidents in Acts everyone group of people was baptized in water. At least 3 of the groups were baptized in water before receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Cornelius was baptized in water after receiving the Holy Spirit. We don't know if Paul was baptized in water before or after, but we do know he was baptized. ( Acts 9:18; )
Yes still happening today -
people get witnessed to, they get to read the scriptures including Acts 2:28-39 and the repent, they get baptised in water for the forgiveness of their past sins, they pray to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit,
and they speak in tongues as the evidence of such. Sometimes the baptisms are the other way around; first Spirit then water, but the end result is faith according to scripture.
Acts 2:28 is still alive and doing well - especially in third world countries and in communist regimes.
 
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In you understanding who are those who are "afar off"?

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call (Acts 2:39)
Ok this is who Peter is speaking to .
Acts 2
22¶Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

23Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain.

Ok no gentiles here . Peter has no one else but Jews on his mind here . Israel . Its a big shock when Peter sees a gentile receiving the Holy Spirit ( Cornelius( Acts 11 )

Acts 2 .38 is again to Israel . Israel was commanded to be repent and be baptized. Repent and be baptised to recieve the Holy Spirit .
let's see : And remember no gentiie is on Peter's mind when he says this .
37¶Now when they ( jews) heard this, they( Jews ) were pricked in their ( Jews ) heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall WE do?( Notice its ' group ' we ' and its DO .

38¶Then Peter said unto them,( Jews ) Repent, and be baptized every one of you( Jews ) in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye( Jews) shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39For the promise is unto you, ( Jews ) and to your children ( Jews) , and to all that are afar off, ( Jews) even as many as the Lord our God shall call. ( Jews )
 
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Why do you say that ? Does it get repeated in Paul's letters to the Church?
I would have to go back and read what Paul stated but,

I was referring to Baptism...like , Orthodox Baptist insist that salvation is only achieved by water immersion!

Others insist it is only by the infusion of the Holy Spirit..in or out of the water!
 
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What Peter implyird was not the question
Does Peter say water baptized
Obviously they needed to repent, of crucifying their messiah. This is what Peter just spent his long speech telling them about ..Who Jesus was . But he told them they needed to be water baptised to recieve the Holy Spirit . This is not the plan for salvation today. This WAS what WAS commanded for Israel. This is a transitional book .
My point we should be careful when we say.. This is what God said.
Are the Scriptures Perter's words or God's Word.
 
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39 For the promise is unto you, ( Jews ) and to your children ( Jews) , and to all that are afar off, ( Jews) even as many as the Lord our God shall call. ( Jews )
Your entire thread is nonsense and just so unscriptural. Nitpicking every word and falsely claiming what each word applies to likens one to the scribes and pharisees.
Truly you strain out gnats but swallow camels.

Acts 2:38 is the gospel of salvation - it matters not that Peter preached to the Jews first and then to gentiles later for it is the same gospel for both; indeed for all in every nation.
And when Paul preached the same gospel to the gentiles they believed and the church grew in many Roman/Greek towns of the Empire.
Acts 2:38 was promised in the gospels; enacted upon in Acts of the Apostles; upheld and taught in the epistles to the Spirit-filled church.
And what was this church of believers (disciples) that we can read of in our New Testament Bibles - repentance; and baptism in water for the forgiveness of sins and also baptism of the Holy Spirit
with the Bible evidence of speaking in a new tongue.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.
And that is exactly what is happening these days - the Pentecostal gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached is being preached and believed upon in the whole world - even in very hostile nations.
 
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Your entire thread is nonsense and just so unscriptural. Nitpicking every word and falsely claiming what each word applies to likens one to the scribes and pharisees.
Truly you strain out gnats but swallow camels.

Acts 2:38 is the gospel of salvation - it matters not that Peter preached to the Jews first and then to gentiles later for it is the same gospel for both; indeed for all in every nation.
And when Paul preached the same gospel to the gentiles they believed and the church grew in many Roman/Greek towns of the Empire.
Acts 2:38 was promised in the gospels; enacted upon in Acts of the Apostles; upheld and taught in the epistles to the Spirit-filled church.
And what was this church of believers (disciples) that we can read of in our New Testament Bibles - repentance; and baptism in water for the forgiveness of sins and also baptism of the Holy Spirit
with the Bible evidence of speaking in a new tongue.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.
And that is exactly what is happening these days - the Pentecostal gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached is being preached and believed upon in the whole world - even in very hostile nations.
Then you will have no problem finding where Paul preached the order as commanded by Peter, to Israel for killing their messiah in Acts 2.38 ?
In stead we find Eph 1.13 .instead . A clear order of how we are saved today . What your saying is akin to saying that Noah was saved believing that Jesus died for his sins on the cross, was buried and rose again the third day. You say ' nit picking ' i say i care what God says in his word . I try not to read carelessly .
 
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Your entire thread is nonsense and just so unscriptural. Nitpicking every word and falsely claiming what each word applies to likens one to the scribes and pharisees.
Truly you strain out gnats but swallow camels.

Acts 2:38 is the gospel of salvation - it matters not that Peter preached to the Jews first and then to gentiles later for it is the same gospel for both; indeed for all in every nation.
And when Paul preached the same gospel to the gentiles they believed and the church grew in many Roman/Greek towns of the Empire.
Acts 2:38 was promised in the gospels; enacted upon in Acts of the Apostles; upheld and taught in the epistles to the Spirit-filled church.
And what was this church of believers (disciples) that we can read of in our New Testament Bibles - repentance; and baptism in water for the forgiveness of sins and also baptism of the Holy Spirit
with the Bible evidence of speaking in a new tongue.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.
And that is exactly what is happening these days - the Pentecostal gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached is being preached and believed upon in the whole world - even in very hostile nations.
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Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.
And that is exactly what is happening these days - the Pentecostal gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached is being preached and believed upon in the whole world - even in very hostile nations.
You don't even realise what you quoted there. Thats the Gospel of the kingdom. During the tribulation. He's referring to end times . Its the same Gospel of the kingdom they were preaching in luke 9.6 . Do you think they are preaching 1 cor 15 .1-4 ? If so ,then read luke 18
31¶Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

32For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

33And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

34¶And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
Notice the last verse ?
 
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I'n Acts 2.38 ? He says they need to be baptised then they will recieve the Holy Spirit. What else could he mean ?
You CAN receive the Holy Spirit during Water Baptism but it is not a Man produced water emersion that produces the infusion of the Holy Spirit, that is a God work and He needs no Man's help.

Baptism (the infusion of the Holy Spirit by God ) can happen in or out of the water.

Symbolic washing away of sins doesn't save...a change in heart and mind towards God does...that can happen anywhere !

A common report from those after Water Baptism, is that it must not have worked?The answer many times, is to do it again .

That is not how it happens, that is arogance and pride...God never fails!
 
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Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.
And that is exactly what is happening these days - the Pentecostal gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached is being preached and believed upon in the whole world - even in very hostile nations.
You don't even realise what you quoted there. Thats the Gospel of the kingdom. During the tribulation. He's referring to end times . Its the same Gospel of the kingdom they were preaching in luke 9.6 . Do you think they are preaching 1 cor 15 .1-4 ? If so ,then read luke 18
31¶Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.

32For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:

33And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.

34¶And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
Notice the last verse ?
The Good News of the Kingdom and the Good News of Jesus Christ's death, burial, and resurrection are eternally connected - both are preached when one is preached, and it is understood that when one is preached the other is joined to it.

Jesus said: "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the [good news]." Mark 1:15. We repent, we believe, now how do we get to the Kingdom? Jesus tells us how: "Follow me." Matthew, Mark, Luke, John.

When we repent, believe, and follow Jesus, when the end comes we will enter the Kingdom.

Why do people make it more complicated than it already is?
 
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Then you will have no problem finding where Paul preached the order as commanded by Peter, to Israel for killing their messiah in Acts 2.38 ?
In stead we find Eph 1.13 .instead . A clear order of how we are saved today . What your saying is akin to saying that Noah was saved believing that Jesus died for his sins on the cross, was buried and rose again the third day. You say ' nit picking ' i say i care what God says in his word . I try not to read carelessly .
Really?
So what !!
Where does scripture state that salvation is for the Jews only??
John 4:22

“Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.” The gentiles are granted later.
 
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Then you will have no problem finding where Paul preached the order as commanded by Peter, to Israel for killing their messiah in Acts 2.38 ?
In stead we find Eph 1.13
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
that is Acts 2:38 in a letter to the Spirit-filled church of saints at Ephesus where the believers were disciples in accord with Mark 16:15-20.
Paul was not writing to any church that was not Pentecostal. One church, one gospel, one way, one faith, one Spirit.
ALL Christians in the NT church were baptised in water and baptised in the Holy Spirit and ALL could pray in tongues.
 
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You CAN receive the Holy Spirit during Water Baptism but it is not a Man produced water emersion that produces the infusion of the Holy Spirit, that is a God work and He needs no Man's help.

Baptism (the infusion of the Holy Spirit by God ) can happen in or out of the water.

Symbolic washing away of sins doesn't save...a change in heart and mind towards God does...that can happen anywhere !

A common report from those after Water Baptism, is that it must not have worked?The answer many times, is to do it again .

That is not how it happens, that is arogance and pride...God never fails!
I would say a person can believe and recieve Jesus whilst rock climbing, skydiving or canoeing. And sure whilst being baptised i guess . But usually if a person is being baptised its because he already believes and has the Holy Spirit . But sure maybe its happened to someone before.
 
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I would say a person today can believe and recieve Jesus whilst rock climbing, skydiving or canoeing ect And sure whilst being baptised i guess . But usually if a person is being baptised its because he already believes and has the Holy Spirit . But sure maybe its happened to someone before , perhaps they were uncertain of what they were doing but felt led to be baptised at someone else's baptism and after going through the motions and hearing why his friend was being baptised heard the gosepl ,but after getting wet, believed . I wouldn't say he needs to be baptised again as a figure of what happened when he recieved the Holy spirit .
 
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The Good News of the Kingdom and the Good News of Jesus Christ's death, burial, and resurrection are eternally connected - both are preached when one is preached, and it is understood that when one is preached the other is joined to it.

Jesus said: "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the [good news]." Mark 1:15. We repent, we believe, now how do we get to the Kingdom? Jesus tells us how: "Follow me." Matthew, Mark, Luke, John.

When we repent, believe, and follow Jesus, when the end comes we will enter the Kingdom.

Why do people make it more complicated than it already is?
Because things different are not the same . Sure I realise some teach the bible in generalities , over arching terms , themes , topics , Liberally and with broad strokes.
 

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