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Loyal
Dear Brother Paul,
I hold no animus against Former Member detniona and have prayed for him and hope others will as well. Sometimes God has laid upon a persons' Spirit a calling so strong that they are unable to see anything else. Not even those he is supposed to commune with. :-( He realizes in mind/spirit his own unworthiness, so how can anyone else be? Which makes communicating for us with them, at times difficult if not an impossible endeavor. I say them, because he is not the first, and won't be the last to come to Talk Jesus with that belief, whether true or not I do not know, that God has called them to communicate His Word with meaning that requires/needs no rebuttal or confirmation. It's the mindset that says "If you were of my God, you would know/understand already of what I speak, and the truth of my words."

If given the chance and the tempering of his communications, I would have hoped to instruct him that teaching another requires patience, knowledge, wisdom, understanding, and most especially love. Without which you cannot touch that person you are trying to reach. He would come to see that like the Bereans, people need to first confirm what is being said to them is according to the Word before gaining even a little bit of clarity in order to accept/receive what is being told them, and these I talk of are our Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus! So, one can imagine how difficult the unbeliever can be, and the resistance he has encountered elsewhere!!!

Anyway, I hope others will join in prayer for Former Member Detniona. We can all use them, and I believe he does as well. For the path he has chosen to walk is a lonely one and not an easy one.

Thank-you for sharing your thoughts.
God bless.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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Loyal
You ask amiss and in Matthew 7 we are taught not to cast our pearls at the feet of hogs. Do you have a Yashua glorifying reason for doing this?
I am sorry, my post post #250 was in “Honor” of “Christ” meaning The “Anointed One” and The John The Baptist who both were alive in their “Mother’s” womb.

John the Baptist who had been in his mother womb for at lest “6 months”, he “LEAPED”, he didn’t kick, The Bible said; “He LEAPED” and his Mama was “FILLED” with “The HOLY GHOST”, Now Mary, just a few days ago had just got “The Message”:
“At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judaea, where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth”

And now, “The “Proclaimer” has just met “The ANOINTER”! In other words in “laymen” terms. One had been in his mothers womb for 6 mos. The other one, “Had just got There”. Were they alive? One was “Jumping” and other was “ANOINTING”! Yet in their mothers womb.

Now, can you see yet?

And you said; That I amiss.

Definition for amiss:

“not quite right; inappropriate or out of place.”
"there was something amiss about his calculations"
 
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I am sorry, my post post #250 was in “Honor” of “Christ” meaning The “Anointed One” and The John The Baptist who both were alive in their “Mother’s” womb.

John the Baptist who had been in his mother womb for at lest “6 months”, he “LEAPED”, he didn’t kick, The Bible said; “He LEAPED” and his Mama was “FILLED” with “The HOLY GHOST”, Now Mary, just a few days ago had just got “The Message”:
“At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judaea, where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth”

And now, “The “Proclaimer” has just met “The ANOINTER”! In other words in “laymen” terms. One had been in his mothers womb for 6 mos. The other one, “Had just got There”. Were they alive? One was “Jumping” and other was “ANOINTING”! Yet in their mothers womb.

Now, can you see yet?

And you said; That I amiss.

Definition for amiss:

“not quite right; inappropriate or out of place.”
"there was something amiss about his calculations"
I'll play this once but I still find it difficult to believe you want to glorify Yashua by asking a question to try to dishonor another believer. Of course they were alive, this is not a good question, considering the context.
 
Loyal
I'll play this once but I still find it difficult to believe you want to glorify Yashua by asking a question to try to dishonor another believer. Of course they were alive, this is not a good question, considering the context.
Sorry, I am not going to argue with you about the English language, I am not a expert pertaining to a “post #250” which was a “rhetorical question” somewhat.
And I will not apologize for “Glorifying” my GOD with the ability He Gave me.

I believe, The “Holy Scriptures” teaches that each man and woman that belongs to “Christ Jesus” is taught by GOD Himself in presenting a “Unique” message through a “Unique” person in GOD. That is “Pleasing to GOD” and not another man.

10For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.

And the writer also said:

11For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.”

Sir, I was only addressing “The TRUTH” and not the man.
 
Loyal
@PloughBoy -- God has given us His Word -- the Bible. And for the born again believer -- that person has the Holy Spirit indwelling them. The Holy Spirit is our first teacher. One of His jobs is teaching us. No one is going to get a unique message from God for himself only. But He Does speak to us as we're reading His Word. And that doesn't make anyone more spiritual than anyone else. In other words , as we're readi f His Word we might get assurance that a particular action is a good direction for us to go. So - in a way you're right but we're not going to get told something that's not scriptural.
 
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@PloughBoy -- God has given us His Word -- the Bible. And for the born again believer -- that person has the Holy Spirit indwelling them. The Holy Spirit is our first teacher. One of His jobs is teaching us. No one is going to get a unique message from God for himself only. But He Does speak to us as we're reading His Word. And that doesn't make anyone more spiritual than anyone else. In other words , as we're readi f His Word we might get assurance that a particular action is a good direction for us to go. So - in a way you're right but we're not going to get told something that's not scriptural.
Right, and I am not against anyone, not one soul, if GOD told you something, That is between that person and GOD! I have no complaints. As long as a person don’t try to tell me what GOD told them what HE want me to know!

If GOD told you to jump off the cliff, without a parachute! That is between you are your “GOD” I am not going to interfere, but if you tell me, That GOD told you to tell me to jump with you! We got a problem! A big one, because I ain’t going! Point Blank, no arguments! I ain’t going.

Each man or women to its own.

I understand exactly what you are saying “Sue”.
 
Loyal
@PloughBoy -- I don't foresee God telling me to jump off a cliff without a parachute. Now if someone told me to reject Christ or I'd be thrown off a cliff or a loved one would be thrown off it. I'll go off that cliff. And the loved one would be with Christ upon their death. I'd have to trust God for He knows what's best in every situation.
 
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What Does the Bible Say About Abortion?

Of all the issues in our culture today, surely abortion is one of the most volatile. Perhaps no other issue has raised so much debate and anguish, plus time and monies spent by various interested parties to educate to public to their views on it. In the midst of such a controversial issue, many simply throw up their hands and vow to stay out of it altogether. In the name of freedom and under the guise of "it isn't my business" many choose to look the other way from this troubling issue, leaving the decision in the hand of lawmakers, doctors, and pregnant woman. Although there are many different issues concerning abortion, the following is designed to focus on what the Bible says about abortion, and the consequences thereof.


Does God Care?

What does God say about abortion? Do the millions of abortions that have taken place in this land bother Him? Is a fetus a "real person" in the eyes of God? If so, where does that leave us? If an unborn life is truly just a mere mass of fetal tissue to God, we should want to know. If He considers the life of the woman more important than her unborn child, we should want to know. And if He does consider that unborn life a "real person", and just as important as the life of the mother that bears it, we most certainly should want to know. After all, we are all accountable to God not only for our individual lives, but also as a generation and a nation.


Thou Shalt Not Kill

Throughout the Bible God has plenty to say about the taking of an innocent life. Most people in our nation, though they may not be familiar with all of the Ten Commandments, know that "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is listed there somewhere. The word "kill" in this instance, specifically refers to "murder"--a premeditated and deliberate act of taking someone's life. It is different than other forms of taking a life, which could be accidental, or in self-defense. God has different laws regarding different sorts of death. But He continually opposes and speaks against murder, especially murder of the innocent.

Do not pollute the land where you are. Bloodshed pollutes the land and atonement cannot be made for the land on which the blood has been shed, except by the blood of the one who shed it. Do not defile the land where you live. Numbers 35:33-34

God's judgment against the killing of an innocent life grows out of His love for humankind. The crime of murder is not only an offense against the sanctity of life, it is a pollutant upon the very land we live. God wants to spare us of the variety of ways this pollution is manifested. When the land becomes defiled with sin, people cry out "where is God?" yet they refuse to take responsibility for breaking His laws which were only given to us for our protection and good. Each sin that we commit is not merely an isolated incident, but will set off a chain reaction of other sins if not dealt with. Since the legalization of abortion for instance, child abuse has increased over 1000%. This is the exact opposite of what those who legalized abortion thought it would do since it was assumed that only children who were initially unwanted were abused.

In Psalm 106 God speaks specifically against killing innocent children and babies. He says of His people: They mingled with the nations and adopted their customs. They worshipped their idols which became a snare to them. They sacrificed their sons and their daughter to demons. They shed innocent blood, the blood of their sons and daughters whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan and the land was desecrated by their blood.


When Does Life Begin?

One may argue here that they agree that it is wrong to murder, but they still don't see how a fetus necessarily qualifies as a human being. Perhaps God doesn't feel the same way about a very young fetus, as He does an older fetus, a newborn, or a 50-year-old. It may be a different issue altogether with Him. Does the Bible say anything specifically about unborn children?

In Exodus 21:22 God gives a specific law regarding social order for the Israelites. He stated that if two men were fighting and hit a pregnant woman, thus causing her to give birth prematurely, they must be fined according to any damage done to the baby. The fine must be paid in relation to the amount of damage inflicted upon the child. If God would make a law specifically referring to the rights of the unborn, then surely the unborn must mean something to Him!

It has been stated If the womb had windows, there would be no abortion. As humans, we are not omnipresent and cannot know the full scope of what each human life is worth. We cannot dwell in the womb with a fetus, nor can we see it as it matures. But God can.


A Scientific View

Just 18 days after conception, the baby's heart begins to beat. At six weeks, brain waves can be measured. At eight weeks the vital organs are functioning and fingerprints have formed. At nine weeks, the unborn baby is able to feel pain. Over 700,000 abortions each year are performed after this point in the pregnancy. By the beginning of the second month, the unborn child, small as it is, has begun to look distinctly human, though the mother may not even be aware that she is pregnant! By the time the baby is eleven weeks old, he or she breaths (fluid), swallows, digests, sleeps, dreams, wakes, tastes, hears, and feels pain. Babies born prematurely can survive outside the womb as young as 20-25 weeks old. Yet, all that is necessary to make the baby a grown human being is already there from the moment of conception. All it needs is time to mature.

Former Surgeon General, Dr. C. Everett Koop stated "We now know when life begins because the test-tube baby proves that life begins with conception. What do you have in the dish? An egg and a *****. What do you add to it to get a baby? Nothing." Though it is wee, it is still a real person, just as a crumb of bread is still real bread. No one who has been given the gift of life should dare despise the day of small beginnings. Have we forgotten so quickly that we were once as small?

"In the tiny, almost invisible thirty two cell blastocyst--in that one gram or so of tissue--there is a physical potential and moral destiny unparalleled in our universe. Next to it, a gram of plutonium is a triviality: plutonium cannot compose a symphony, cannot cure cancer, cannot plan our course to the stars". -Bernard Nathanson, M.D. and former abortionist-


A Spiritual View

God said to the prophet Jeremiah, Before I formed you in the womb I knew you. Before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. Jeremiah 1:5 God knew this man before he was born. As he was forming in his mother's womb God gave him his personality, talents, and temperament. If his mother had gotten an abortion, the "fetal tissue" she aborted would have been a real person named Jeremiah; a mighty prophet of God and the gift of God's voice to the nations, though she would never have known.

The Lord hath called me from the womb: from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. Isaiah 49:1 KJV

Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us within our mothers? Job 31:15

For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Psalm 139:13-14


The above verses are only a sampling of the many Biblical references we find to life inside the mother's womb. From them, it is clear that life begins when God creates it, not at some later point in time when it has grown to look like a newborn. God does not judge things according to their stage of development the way humans tend to. According to the above passages, even the tiniest embryo is the subject of His love and care. God sees each of our lives in the realm of our total existence, whether we are yet unborn, a young woman in the prime of her life, or an old man on his deathbed. He is patient with all of us, longing to bring each one of us into His maturity.


Do We Look Like God?

To wantonly destroy innocent human life is a crime against God, and a rejection of the truth that we were made in His image. Everything in the universe belongs to Him anyway. The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it, the world and ALL who live in it. Psalm 24:1 Our own lives are a precious gift given to us, but ultimately we belong to God! We are His possessions; we have merely been granted stewardship over our lives, talents, money, time, the earth we live on and the things we "own." Though children pass through us they are not ours, anymore that we are property of our parents. Each of us has been given the gift of life and freedom, for which we are responsible and accountable to God. None of us has the right to deny that same gift to an unborn person. It is an honor to carry that powerful force of another life within our very bodies-- a life made in the very image of God! (Genesis 5:1-2)

God is no respecter of persons. If He knew Jeremiah in the womb, He knew you too. Do you believe that God lovingly fashioned you and loves you dearly? Do you believe that He has had a plan for your life from the beginning of time? A plan that none other can fulfill in quite the same way you can? That you came to this earth "trailing clouds of glory?" Or do you believe in your heart that you were a mere "accident" and that God has no personal concern for you or your life? Is it easier to believe that you are just a highly evolved animal? An animal (especially an undeveloped one) may certainly be easier to dispose of. It seems somehow even "natural," as the laws of nature lend themselves to the survival of the strong and the equipped. Yet it seems doubtful that even an animal would come up with a way to deliberately kill it's unborn offspring.

Even the jackals offer their breasts to nurse their young, but my people have become heartless like ostriches in the desert. Lamentations 4:3


Am I My Brother's Keeper?

Every 20 seconds another baby is aborted in this country, yet very few seem to notice. Statistically, one out of every three of us will die by abortion, and we will never know what we lost in those lives. Our country goes along its way leaving lawmakers in distant buildings to decide how the carnage should continue. We've bought into the lie that those we dispose of are not real people. It is the same old lie that was used to keep slavery legal, and to exterminate masses of peoples in holocausts all over the world. We should be able to see through it by now, but as usual, most of us let circumstances and the current cultural climate dictate to us what is acceptable or not. Yet God tells us to: Rescue those being led away to death, hold back those staggering toward slaughter. If you say "But we knew nothing of this," does not He who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who guards your life know it? Will he not repay each person according to what he has done? Proverbs 24:11

In our society today we face a myriad of social problems as a result of our hypocrisy. Most of us have had to become somewhat doubleminded just to keep a vestige of sanity. We put warnings on cigarettes and alcohol, that their consumption is dangerous to an unborn child. Yet we deem it perfectly legal, even "responsible" for a mother to have a doctor poison that same child inside her, or rip it to shreds with a surgical instrument. We might charge a man who kills a pregnant woman with a double homicide, yet what if that woman was on her way to the abortion clinic to dispose of her baby anyway? Do we then charge him with a single homicide?

Evil prevails when good men, in the name of freedom, do nothing. Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil. I Peter 2:16 I Peter 2:16 Very few of us would argue that crack cocaine, or rape should be legal simply because people are going to do it anyway, yet that is the argument that is applied to abortion. As a nation, our morals and ethics vacillate between honor and convenience, integrity and greed. We are slouching towards everything we have stood against and hated from the foundation of this country, yet we pave the way with our apathy. This double-mindedness has become a cancer eating away at the very heart of our nation.

Sin always seems practical, necessary, or even "cute" in it's initial stages. It is only in hindsight that we can see just how atrocious those massive exterminations were and how they went against the very core of what the United States was supposed to be. Yet, we have no right to condemn previous generations for the same deeds we commit today. Then, as now, the masses simply went along with whatever was the popular opinion. In regard to slavery, it was even argued that the government didn't have a right to tell people whether they could own slaves or not... That it was a personal choice to be made and that freedom of choice is what our country is all about. Only in that case they forgot the rights of one whole people group. Sound familiar?

Then the Lord said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?" "I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?" The Lord said. "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground which opened it's mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand." Genesis 4:9-11

As a nation, we must repent for the heartlessness we have displayed to the most helpless members of our culture. Though God is merciful, He is also just. He cannot ignore the cries of the blood that have soaked our ground and stained our hands. We are bringing ourselves under a curse, but do not have the eyes to see it. We only see the fruit of that curse and we wonder what went wrong. Like Cain, our ears have become deafened to the cries of those we have murdered.


True Freedom

There are too many of us who prefer to let the media do our thinking for us. Should we disagree, many of us are too intimidated to ever speak out with conviction. As we let time go by, our godly convictions begin to slip away and we become numb. Eventually, we may even support that which we had earlier condemned. This is called the "searing of a conscience." It happened in Hitler's Germany and it is happening today. How can we bring a dead conscience back to life? How can we know the difference between right and wrong? As was just established, we cannot merely "listen to our heart" and follow what seems best at the time. Some of the most horrifying deeds in history have been done by those who were following whatever moral code was most convenient at the time. Freedom is not doing whatever suits our fancy at the moment. That will only bring slavery and sorrow to our souls. True freedom is having the power to know what is right and to choose accordingly. But how can we choose, if we do not know? How can we obtain true freedom?

You shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall set you free. John 8:32

We must cleanse our minds by the washing with the water through the WORD. (Ephesians 5:26) God's WORD is the Bible--ancient, yet ageless and seething with life. It will literally clean our thinking and bring life to our sin-deadened minds so we can see what He sees and feel what He feels. It will reveal our very thoughts to ourselves.

For the WORD of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

Respect for God, His creation, and His Holy WORD, is the only way we will ever find true freedom. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, but fools despise wisdom and discipline. Proverbs 1:7 Wisdom and compassion cannot be found outside of God for He is wisdom and He is love. Long before heaven and earth were made, and long after they disappear, His WORD will still remain. On the Day of Judgement abortion and every other atrocity we have tried to justify will be shown for the evil it is. We must seek God now, while we have the time to do it! Today is the day of salvation.

It is not too late to repent and turn our hearts back to the Lord. We can bring healing and life to this land that we love if we will humble ourselves before God's mighty right hand. If my people, who are called by my name, and humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land. II Chronicles 7:14


God Loves You!

If you are planning an abortion, please reconsider. Though your situation may seem hopeless, God will work something beautiful in your life if you trust and obey Him. Choosing to "remove" your problem will only create new ones. Shall I offer my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? Micah 6:7 You will have to bear the guilt of your abortion or else harden your heart to not feel guilty. God loves both you and your child very much, and if you feel incapable of raising him or her, there are thousands of couples who have waited years for the chance to adopt a baby. Though it may be difficult to give it away, you will have given it the greatest gift of all--life. As Mother Theresa put it so simply "love means to be willing to give until it hurts." Give your child to a family that will truly love it. You can make the dreams of a childless couple come true... and you can bless the heart of God.

If you have already had an abortion, please do not feel that this was written only to bring you under guilt and condemnation. What is done is done and cannot be changed. God has your child in heaven with Him, and longs to forgive you if you ask Him to. Once God forgives a sin, He literally forgets it, and DOES NOT HOLD IT AGAINST YOU ANY LONGER! Please do not hold against yourself what God has forgotten. Forget the former things; do not dwell on the past. See, I am doing a new thing! Now it springs up; do you not perceive it? I, even I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and remembers your sins no more. Isaiah 43:18, 25. Receive His love, for He loves you just as much as the child you lost. He already took your sin and bore it upon Himself so you would not have to bear the punishment, which would be eternal separation from Him. He knows the agony you've gone through better than any other, for He was there too, with you. Open your life to Him and let Him give you a crown of beauty instead of ashes, the oil of joy instead of mourning, and a garment of praise instead of the spirit of despair. He will make you into an oak of righteousness, a planting of the Lord for the display his splendor. Isaiah 61:3

In conclusion, the words of God ring out as clearly now as they did over 3,000 years ago:

This day I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Choose life so that you and your children may live, and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice and hold fast to him. Deuteronomy 30:19-20
I think this is one of the most detailed well explained biblical views on abortion I have read in a long time

I cannot do it right now but by the end of this weekend I'm going to copy your article here onto one of my Christian Ministry websites

 
Loyal
Right, and I am not against anyone, not one soul, if GOD told you something, That is between that person and GOD! I have no complaints. As long as a person don’t try to tell me what GOD told them what HE want me to know!

If GOD told you to jump off the cliff, without a parachute! That is between you are your “GOD” I am not going to interfere, but if you tell me, That GOD told you to tell me to jump with you! We got a problem! A big one, because I ain’t going! Point Blank, no arguments! I ain’t going.

Each man or women to its own.
@PloughBoy -- I don't foresee God telling me to jump off a cliff without a parachute. Now if someone told me to reject Christ or I'd be thrown off a cliff or a loved one would be thrown off it. I'll go off that cliff. And the loved one would be with Christ upon their death. I'd have to trust God for He knows what's best in every situation.
Once saved always saved! LOL, who can separate us from the Love of GOD. To jump, depends. Faith might be kinda weak that day.
“A Peter moment” they might will have to throw me.
Being honest.
 
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I think this is one of the most detailed well explained biblical views on abortion I have read in a long time

I cannot do it right now but by the end of this weekend I'm going to copy your article here onto one of my Christian Ministry websites

I am still as of yet not able to get to my website to post this article but I was able to post it on Quora
 
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Imagine that! Quora just deleted my post over there , linking to this abortion article. You can say what you want..they are CENSURING CHRISTIANS !
Wel, this is not our home we are only “Pilgrims” traveling through!
“here comes this “Lot” acting like a judge, we will deal worst with you”…ff:eyes:

PS. You better leave them people alone.
 
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@Rookster -- not sure I understand the need For a comprehensive explanation of abortion. A spontaneous aborted baby is out of our control. But a medically induced abortion is killing a defenseless living baby. A heartbeat is the evidence of a live person. And the heartbeat of a baby can be heard at about six seeks or so. That indicates a living baby inside the womb. Purposely ending that life is murder.
 
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Wel, this is not our home we are only “Pilgrims” traveling through!
“here comes this “Lot” acting like a judge, we will deal worst with you”…ff:eyes:

PS. You better leave them people alone.
I do not " like " Quora on its face. It is largely full of intellectuals who LOVE to talk..but have little to no "Spirit" ..in my opinion :)

However, Jesus said to preach the gospel on EVERY rooftop . . .

I forget the exact number but Quora gets like some ridiculous 300 million visits / month ...

So...I am over there with my little acorn....planted and praying ...and BELIEVING God to be and become an influence...that God can use and have 'available' EVEN over on Quora . .

 
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I do not " like " Quora on its face. It is largely full of intellectuals who LOVE to talk..but have little to no "Spirit" ..in my opinion :)

However, Jesus said to preach the gospel on EVERY rooftop . . .

I forget the exact number but Quora gets like some ridiculous 300 million visits / month ...

So...I am over there with my little acorn....planted and praying ...and BELIEVING God to be and become an influence...that God can use and have 'available' EVEN over on Quora . .

Well, the world will be the world, can we expect any thing different? If the world does not act like the world it would be a great deception and do not believe, if they act differently it is a trap.
 
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Genesis 9:6-7 (NASB)
6“Whoever sheds humanblood,

By man his blood shall be shed,

For in the image of God

He made mankind.

7“As for you, be fruitful and multiply;

Populate the earthabundantly and multiply in it.”.ff.

[And it is also said in “completion” “For considering The Volume of ThE BOOK”: Highlighting “PERPETUAL”]

New King James Version
And God said: “This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:.. ff.
 
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Dear @PloughBoy
Thanks for sharing Brother.
And of course the politicians don't really care about it, but see it only as another means of retaining power. God has given them the authority and they are abusing it.
Much to answer for.

It really wrenches my heart to see what is going on. God have mercy!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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P.S. What you won't see is that they'll be at Mosque's protesting!!!
 
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