Rhema said:

Thank you.

I've been saying this for years, but nobody wants to think it through.

Agape,
Rhema

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So think about how evil it is—what Oxford Press, Darby, Scofield, and a cadre of European Zionist financiers actually did.

They flooded early 20th-century America with millions of so-called “FREE BIBLES” in 1909—targeting every kind-hearted, God-fearing, Bible-hungry John Boy Walton in rural towns with no TV, no internet, no Christian radio, and in many cases, not even a local pastor. These weren’t just Bibles—they were loaded weapons with theological poison sewn into the footnotes.

And of course, it came from Oxford Press, the most prestigious name in print. So it had to be true, right? God’s honest truth, right?
What a joke.
No.
That book was from Hell.

The Scofield Bible told generations of trusting believers that the worst thing they could ever do was take Jesus at His word.

It rewired their theology to make them long to be “taken” just like those outside the Ark were taken in judgment.
It butchered Paul’s teachings.
It told Christians they were not Israel—even though every Church father, every apostle, and every saint since Calvary understood that the Body of Christ is the true Israel.

It carved a knife through the Bible—splitting it into two fake “dispensations,” and handing Gentile believers a second-class citizenship card that Christ never issued.
It exalted ethnic nationalism over spiritual rebirth.
It told them God had a separate plan for the Jews, that Christ’s death wasn’t enough, and that the Gospel somehow paused so God could fulfill a man-made political prophecy about land.

It turned the Gospel into a Zionist real estate brochure.

Scofield turned the Cross into a parenthesis—and the Church into an afterthought.

And what did Jesus say?
“Whoever is not with Me is against Me.”
That includes Oxford. That includes Scofield. That includes any system that dares divide what Christ has united.

There is one body,
one faith,
one Lord,
one baptism,
one new man in Christ.

If anyone's theology teaches two peoples, two covenants, two salvations, two kingdoms—
Then it doesn’t come from God.

It comes from Satan.
Because only the Devil would dare fracture the Gospel, rewrite the inheritance, and exalt the seed of the flesh over the seed of promise.

Wake up people.
The veil is thick.
The deception is deep.
And the modern Church is asleep in Scofield’s lap while the dragon sharpens his claws.

The Gospel of Christ said:

You built a parable around prison wardens, but Jesus built His Church on a Cross.

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You are fast becoming a @Rhema 2.0. This line is cringe dude.

The Gospel of Christ said:

He didn’t promise comfort — He promised a sword. (Matthew 10:34)
He didn’t say, “I’ll pull you out when it gets rough.”
He said, “He who endures to the end shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:13)

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And scripture also says if you let Jesus in Rev 3:20 and receive a revelation of Him from the Holy Spirit 1 Cor 12:3, causing you to confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that he is the Messiah raised from the dead that you are saved.

As such, you are guilty of pushing a half truth. Jesus's teachings are sound but they have and require context. They took place before the cross. A Christian could only exist after the cross.

The devil pushes half truths. Please try be better.

The problem is simply that you and many more Christians here do simply not know what a Christian is. And to be honest, that is scary as it potential means that you are not in fact a Christian. As Paul alludes to in 2 Cor 3:15.

Curtis said:

Luk 21:34 "Be on guard, so that your hearts will not be weighted down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that day will not come on you suddenly like a trap;
Luk 21:35 for it will come upon all those who dwell on the face of all the earth.
Luk 21:36 "But keep on the alert at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man."

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I had ponder the verse of change in a twinkling of an eye.. I remember the day the Holy Spirit hit me I mean like pow out of no where everything was just magnified I can't even put the feelings that had over came me that day in words but it surely felt like it happened in a twinkle of an eye one can say . Idk I'm just saying

Imma ponder more on this tho with the Lord more n patiently wait for a reply..


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The Gospel of Christ said:

Your entire case rests on one satanic assumption:
That Christians don’t suffer tribulation.

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Irony and no. Your entire belief rests on wanting to see Christians suffer for their faith. In your mind suffer = Christian.

Now, sure, most times that is true. Certainly in an end time period it is complete naivety to think Christians won't suffer. But the space your brain is not grasping is the fact that there is a vast difference between suffering at the hands of wicked people verse the devil. In case you missed it, the antichrist is here during the tribulation Matt 24:15 and the Holy Spirit leaves 2 Thess 2:6-7.

That would make our suffering on par with God throwing Noah out of the ark or as per my example given, a prison commissioner throwing his good wardens and good policeman into a prison with the criminals they placed there.

Try and imagine two people coming to the antichrist. One is Paul and one is Bob. The devil knows Paul. Do you think the devil is going to ask Paul to reject Jesus and receive his mark? Or do you think the devil knows that Paul has the mark of Jesus on him and will never do such? Bob, on the other hand will need to be tested and pass per Rev 2:10.

Your errors are:

1. You think the devil is a fool who does not know Paul.
2. You think Paul would reject Jesus and needs to be re tested.
3. You think God is a fool who cannot mark Paul as His own. Does not 'know' His sheep. As John 10:14 and 2 Cor 5:17 teaches us He does.
4. You therefore teach and imply that God is evil in that he would leave Paul with the devil. Like a parent leaving their child with a paedophile.

This equates to a naive and sick belief that makes a complete and utter mockery of Rom 10:9 / Christianity.

Rom 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

KingJ said:

Irony and no. Your entire belief rests on wanting to see Christians suffer for their faith. In your mind suffer = Christian.

Now, sure, most times that is true. Certainly in an end time period it is complete naivety to think Christians won't suffer. But the space your brain is not grasping is the fact that there is a vast difference between suffering at the hands of wicked people verse the devil. In case you missed it, the antichrist is here during the tribulation Matt 24:15.

That would make our suffering on par with God throwing Noah out of the ark or as per my example given, a prison commissioner throwing his good wardens and good policeman into a prison with the criminals they placed there.

Try and imagine two people coming to the antichrist. One is Paul and one is Bob. The devil knows Paul. Do you think the devil is going to ask Paul to reject Jesus and receive his mark? Or do you think the devil knows that Paul has the mark of Jesus on him and will never do such? Bob, on the other hand will need to be tested and pass per Rev 2:10.

See, 1. You think the devil is a fool who does not know Paul. 2. You think Paul would reject Jesus and needs to be re tested. 3. You think God is a fool who cannot mark Paul as His own. Does not 'know' His sheep. As John 10:14 and 2 Cor 5:17 teaches us He does. and 4. You therefore teach and imply that God is evil in that he would leave Paul with the devil. Like a parent leaving their child with a paedophile.

You hold to a naive and sick belief that makes a complete and utter mockery of Rom 10:9 / Christianity.

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KingJ, you’re not defending the Gospel — you’re defending Scofield.

Let’s get this straight:

Yes, Jesus died on the Cross — but He also warned us before and after the Cross that tribulation would come for His followers.
You say I’m preaching half-truths?

You’re the one cutting the Bible in half.

Let’s walk through this slowly:
“In this world you WILL have tribulation…” — John 16:33
“We must through MUCH tribulation enter the Kingdom…” — Acts 14:22
“Then shall be GREAT tribulation… but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.” — Matthew 24:21–22

Christ didn’t say “Don’t worry, you’ll be long gone before it gets rough.”
He said: “He who endures to the end shall be saved.” — Matt 24:13

That’s not a “parable” — that’s red-letter warning directly from the Son of God.

You’ve bought the lie that true Christians get a spiritual hall pass out of the tribulation — but the early Church would have laughed at that. The Church was born in tribulation. Paul boasted in his suffering. John was exiled for the Gospel. Stephen was stoned. Peter was crucified upside down.

You think a little persecution means we’re “left behind”?
No — it means we’re right where we’re supposed to be.

“If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross DAILY and follow me.” — Luke 9:23

What cross do you carry, KingJ?

The fake Scofield cross of escapism and entitlement?
Or the real one Jesus bled on — the one that leads to Golgotha?

You say Paul wouldn’t need to be tested?
Tell that to Paul.

“I have fought the good fight… I have FINISHED the race…” — 2 Tim 4:7

Paul didn’t say “I passed a quiz once so now I’m invincible.”
He endured daily until the very end.

Revelation doesn’t say “the ones who were raptured out get crowns.”
It says:

“Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.” — Rev 2:10

Your version of the Gospel sounds more like a Disney movie than scripture.
You’ve turned Jesus into a sky chauffeur instead of a conquering King.

So don’t tell me I “don’t know what a Christian is.”
A Christian is a soldier in a spiritual war — not a spectator at a rapture pep rally.

You can cling to Scofield's blasphemy if you want.
But when the dragon shows up and your “escape plan” doesn’t come,
don’t say Jesus didn’t warn you.

Because He did. Loud and clear.
“As it was in the days of Noah… the ones TAKEN were the ones swept away in judgment.” — Luke 17:26–27

Let that sink in.
The Rapture is for the damned. Jesus said so.


And just so we’re clear:
There wasn’t a single Christian alive before 1830 who believed this rapture escape fantasy.
(How that alone doesn’t give you pause is unreal. Staggering.)

No one taught it...

Not Paul.
Not Peter.
Not John.
Not Augustine.
Not Calvin.
Not Wesley.
Not Luther.
Not Ignatius of Antioch.
Not Polycarp.
Not Irenaeus.
Not Tertullian.
Not Origen.
Not Athanasius.
Not Jerome.
Not Chrysostom.
Not Bernard of Clairvaux.
Not Thomas Aquinas.
Not William Tyndale.
Not John Wycliffe.
Not Jonathan Edwards.
Not George Whitefield.
Not Charles Spurgeon.

None of them believed Christians get airlifted out before tribulation.
They didn’t preach escapism — they preached endurance.
They didn’t teach two peoples or two covenants — they taught one body of believers, united in Christ.
The Body of Christ is the remnant of Israel — the people of the promise.
Born of faith.
Sealed by grace.
Gathered into one people, through one Cross, under one Name.

That’s what they preached.
That’s what they suffered for.
That’s what they died believing.

Paul preached grace, unity, and endurance.
Scofield preached division, escape, and nationalism.
You’re not following Jesus — you’re following a convicted conman with a Bible full of footnotes from Hell..

I thought the restrainer is Holy Spirit?

Moon888 said:

I thought the restrainer is Holy Spirit?

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Ah yes — “the restrainer is the Holy Spirit.”

Says who?
Not Paul.
Not Jesus.
Not a single Church Father for 1800 years.

That idea came from Darby and Scofield, not the Bible.

Paul never said the Holy Spirit is the restrainer in 2 Thessalonians 2.
He said “you know what is restraining him now…” — meaning his audience in Thessalonica knew what he was referring to based on context he already taught them.

Early Church leaders like Irenaeus, Tertullian, Chrysostom, and Augustine believed the restrainer was civil government or law and order — something external that holds back chaos until it's removed. And that makes perfect sense in context.

Scofield and his followers had to twist “the restrainer” into the Holy Spirit —
because their entire rapture theory falls apart if Christians are still here during the tribulation.

In other words…
they had to rewrite prophecy
to avoid what the Gospel actually says:

“In this world you will have tribulation.” — John 16:33
“He who endures to the end shall be saved.” — Matthew 24:13
“Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.” — Revelation 2:10

The Gospel never promised evacuation.
It promised endurance.


And know this obvious truth...
Scofield, Oxford, and the Rothschild Zionist banking cartel who funded it never believed a word of it.
It was a con job from a convicted conman — one backed by billionaire bankers and elite publishing power.

They didn’t stumble onto a new truth.
They manufactured a lie — and sold it to the Church wrapped in gold leaf and Oxford prestige.

And you had to believe it.
Or rather — your grandparents had to.

Because if they didn’t…
If Christians hadn’t been brainwashed by Dispensationalist dogma…
They would’ve never allowed the Rothschilds and the UN to violently annex Palestine in 1948 under the banner of prophecy fulfillment.
Not in a million years. Because they knew they were Israel. And preached the Body of Christ is Israel..

The elites back then knew that full well — and it scared them.
So they did what serpents always do:
They tampered with the Word.

They published a Bible full of footnotes from Hell,
then carpet-bombed America with millions of these "free" study Bibles
straight from the bowels of Satan’s womb.

And now here we are —
The Church is so far off the narrow path, it wouldn’t recognize the Gospel if it walked in with a crown of thorns and nail scars.

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Curtis said:

Jesus promised that when Holy Spirit comes he will never leave you forever. Jesus gave his Church authority over all the power of our enemy which is the devil and all fallen angels. The restrainer is the Church. The Church must be removed from this earth before the man of sin can be revealed.

Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

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Seems to me that there are two "churches" ... the infiltrated man-made church (buildings) and God's children are the church (or should that be the "bride") ... it all gets rather confusing at times : )

The Gospel of Christ said:

Ah yes — “the restrainer is the Holy Spirit.”

Says who?
Not Paul.
Not Jesus.
Not a single Church Father for 1800 years.

That idea came from Darby and Scofield, not the Bible.

Paul never said the Holy Spirit is the restrainer in 2 Thessalonians 2.
He said “you know what is restraining him now…” — meaning his audience in Thessalonica knew what he was referring to based on context he already taught them.

Early Church leaders like Irenaeus, Tertullian, Chrysostom, and Augustine believed the restrainer was civil government or law and order — something external that holds back chaos until it's removed. And that makes perfect sense in context.

Scofield and his followers had to twist “the restrainer” into the Holy Spirit —
because their entire rapture theory falls apart if Christians are still here during the tribulation.

In other words…
they had to rewrite prophecy
to avoid what the Gospel actually says:

“In this world you will have tribulation.” — John 16:33
“He who endures to the end shall be saved.” — Matthew 24:13
“Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.” — Revelation 2:10

The Gospel never promised evacuation.
It promised endurance.


And know this obvious truth...
Scofield, Oxford, and the Rothschild Zionist banking cartel who funded it never believed a word of it.
It was a con job from a convicted conman — one backed by billionaire bankers and elite publishing power.

They didn’t stumble onto a new truth.
They manufactured a lie — and sold it to the Church wrapped in gold leaf and Oxford prestige.

And you had to believe it.
Or rather — your grandparents had to.

Because if they didn’t…
If Christians hadn’t been brainwashed by Dispensationalist dogma…
They would’ve never allowed the Rothschilds and the UN to violently annex Palestine in 1948 under the banner of prophecy fulfillment.
Not in a million years. Because they knew they were Israel. And preached the Body of Christ is Israel..

The elites back then knew that full well — and it scared them.
So they did what serpents always do:
They tampered with the Word.

They published a Bible full of footnotes from Hell,
then carpet-bombed America with millions of these "free" study Bibles
straight from the bowels of Satan’s womb.

And now here we are —
The Church is so far off the narrow path, it wouldn’t recognize the Gospel if it walked in with a crown of thorns and nail scars.

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The "church" is God's children as I understand it. The building "church" has been infiltraded by satan. If we are God's church, why are we also called His "bride" ... perhaps we need a lesson in why Jesus was called the "bridegroom" and is coming back for his "bride", if here is much scripture to tell a story. There is something about the traditional old times Jewish wedding that aligns with or sheds light on the "bridegroom" is coming for his "bride".

Dave M said:

if the church is the restrainer they have done a terrible job through history

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"The Gospel of Christ" explained in a post, that mankind, governments and institutions are the "restrainer" and that makes sense. Those saved have the Holy Spirit (whom some call the restrainer), within us forever, as promised by Jesus. The Church has been hugely infiltrated, as have our gvts and institutions. So perhaps it is all of the above excepting for Holy Spirit who is wihin us forever.

Moon888 said:

"The Gospel of Christ" explained in a post, that mankind, governments and institutions are the "restrainer" and that makes sense.

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That makes sense, really?

2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

2 Thess 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

1. Scripture is very specific that it is a 'He'.

2. How is mankind, government and institutions logical? They can restrain the devil? I would love to see that!!

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The devil has full power to torment you ten days and then put you to death Rev 2:10. Right now, he does not, he can only roam looking for whom he can devour 1 Pet 5:8.

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Please explain to me what exactly you believe a Christian is. How does one become a Christian?

The Gospel of Christ said:

KingJ, you’re not defending the Gospel — you’re defending Scofield.

Let’s get this straight:

Yes, Jesus died on the Cross — but He also warned us before and after the Cross that tribulation would come for His followers.
You say I’m preaching half-truths?

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Explain to me what you believe a Christian is.

It is pointless having a discussion with you on the tribulation or rapture until you properly grasp what a Christian is.

Luke 21:34 "But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly.
Luke 21:35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Luke 21:36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."

1Th 5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Rev 6:16 and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!

God always protected his people from his wrath just look at Passover he kept him right in place poured his wrath out and these people were unharmed

The Gospel of Christ said:

And of course, it came from Oxford Press, the most prestigious name in print. So it had to be true, right? God’s honest truth, right?
What a joke.
No.
That book was from Hell.

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Well Oxford had it's hands all over the KJV, so I get the joke.

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... but Jesus built His Church on a Cross.

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I don't recall Jesus ever saying that.

- Matthew 16:16-18 KJV

Now before people get their noses bent out of shape, Jesus wasn't saying that he'd build his church upon Peter, but rather the Revelation to Peter by the Father that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Every person who is saved or Born from the beginning is because the Father reveals to them that Jesus is His Son. The church is built upon this Revelation.

Agape,
Rhema

KingJ said:

Jesus's teachings are sound but they have and require context. They took place before the cross. A Christian could only exist after the cross.

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A wonderful example of those who deny the Teachings of Jesus by contextualizing them into noise.

A Christian could only exist after the Resurrection. And what are they to do?

- Matthew 28:19-20 KJV

There is NOTHING in the Teachings of Jesus that should be rejected because of the Cross.

Rhema
(Waiting for the sputtering of the oblivious.)

Moon888 said:

I thought the restrainer is Holy Spirit?

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I have heard this theory several times over the years, but if it's true... how do people get saved during the tribulation without the Holy Spirit?

Curtis said:

We just assume that when we read "first resurrection," it means a numerical number referring to a single resurrection in count.

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Why not assume it is what it says, and not make up additional meanings?
But even if this was correct, you still have to explain away the "last" trumpet, the "after" the tribulation, and the "it won't happen until the beast takes his place in the temple".

KingJ said:

In case you missed it, the antichrist is here during the tribulation Matt 24:15

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- 1 John 2:22 KJV

- 1 John 2:18 KJV