Jehovah's Witnesses

[Maureen]

It is so sad that they believe what they do, every time I read these things I think of my son's wife who's been in it for years and all her family.

I've read that they design their meetings to be Hypnotic, in a 3 point plan, so they do get brain washed, appauling.

They have a a lot to answer for what they are teaching those lost sheep, although they also say something about sheep in their belief too, which I mind is not biblically correct, but it has just slipped my head at present.

Perhaps you would know about it Strypes.

 

[Jonah2005bt]

but surely then we are breathing in 'sin' for that matter, if it is 'airborne' never heard the like of it.
We breath in the air, it goes into our bodies, so why then does that not need to be filtered also? as the blood is.

I think it's complete nonsence, sorry if that hurts anyone, but I do.

I must say as I see, and it is told me in the scriptures that nothing but the blood of Jesus will atone for my sin.
Was Jesus blood contaminated also then when it was in contact with the air?
As that's what they are sayng.

Yes Maureen, you're right, Jesus died for our sins in HOPE that we will be saved, as long as we do the will of our Almighty GOD & live according to the teachings of Jesus Christ. {John 14:21,23-24}

Jesus said these words; "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.''

Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
"He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.

And yes the blood of Jesus Christ does atone for our sins, Romans 3:25 & Romans 5:11

But please, do not miss understand me I am only trying to explain that these people (JW's) are doing there best to Worship to The Almighty GOD, through our Beloved Savior Jesus Christ.

They are not wicked people but brothers & sisters with different opinions.

As Paul & James had their differences of opinions.

Paul said all we need is faith {Romans 3:27-31 & Romans 3:21-31} & James said " 'No!' we need faith plus works" {James 2:17-26}

We shouldn't be pushing them away but excepting them as brothers & sisters.

I find no sin in this blood machine & I don't see how you could even say there is?

Except you give me the opinion that you just want to put the JW's down.

Was Jesus blood contaminated also then when it was in contact with the air?

Of coarse not!

I was not talking about The Blood of our Beloved Jesus Christ, but of the blood of a imperfect man.

 

[Strypes]

Luke 12:22-40
22 Then Jesus said to his disciples: "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. 23 Life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. 24 Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds! 25 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life? 26 Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest? 27 "Consider how the lilies grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 28 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you, O you of little faith! 29 And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. 30 For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them. 31 But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well. 32 "Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. 35 "Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, 36 like men waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him. 37 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. I tell you the truth, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. 38 It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the second or third watch of the night. 39 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. 40 You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."

"Little Flock"

Jesus is speaking directly to the disciples.... referring to them as a little flock compared to the many wicked/pagan in the world... Jesus says "fear not little flock" and not to worry about such things...

He was speaking to them. the phrase is used as a term of endearment relating the care of the shepherd for them.

NOT TO EXCLUDE EVERYONE ELSE THAT WOULD COME TO FAITH IN HIM.

(oops caps again)

The same message (fear not / dont worry about needs for your life your heavenly father knows what you need) was also spoken to thousands during the sermon on the mount in Matthew

BUT...

Jehovah's witnesses/watchtower...uses that phrase "little flock" and takes it totally out of context and uses that phrase as the basis of their exclusionary practices.. that the "little flock" is the 144000 and the only ones that can partake of communion.. the other millions of Jehovah witnesses are the "great crowd" and are not allowed to partake. To receive communion is to take it in an unworthy manner because only the "little flock" is entitled. 14 Nissan (Jewish calendar) aka Passover is the ONLY holiday the JWS celebrate. They call it a "remembrance"... That is the only day of the year that all Jehovah's Witnesses all over the world "do communion" They have a cup of wine and a plate of bread and they literally "pass" it around. It is handed to the first person on the front row and they pass it around the congregation.No one is allowed to drink it or eat it. To do so is a "disfellowshiping" offence.

To explain their doctrine would take a history lesson...

There is no logic at all behind the belief that most JWs today are part of a "great crowd" who are not part of the New Covenant. The notion that in 1935 the general calling closed and a new gathering began is not based on the Bible. It actually used to have a slim biblical basis way back in the 1930's and 1940's, when Rutherford taught through typological interpretation that Elijah symbolized the work carried out under Pastor Russell and Elisha symbolized the work carried out in Rutherford's day to bear witness to the Kingdom and vindicate Jehovah's name at that time as a preparation before Armageddon...and King Jehu was interpreted as symbolic Jesus Christ who leads his organization to vindicate Jehovah's name, and his chariot represented God's organization, and Jehonadab who was invited to climb into his chariot represents .... drum roll please ... a new body of Christians added to the organization who are not spiritual Israelites. But all of this was exegetical and largely came from Rutherford's imagination.

The real purpose behind this reasoning is to explain how there was such a huge increase in the JWs in the 1930's. Rutherford had already explained that the droves who left in the late 1920's (due to the failure of 1925 and Rutherford's altering of almost every belief the Bible Students had from Russell's time) was evidence that the body of Christ on earth would continue to decrease and decrease as a Remnant until Armageddon. But in the 1930's, during the Great Depression, there was a sudden new increase. In order to accommodate them into his theories about God's organization, he made them into a new Jehonadab class in the early 1930's and then in 1935 identified them with the "great crowd" of Revelation....thereby dispatching the rest of humanity to ugly deaths in Armageddon.

Now much of this Rutherfordian doctrine has disappeared like a scaffolding, leaving behind the present-day belief about the closing of the door of the "little flock" in 1935, without much of any attempt to ground this teaching biblically.

I should add that the Society today still pays lip service to the Jehu antitype, but it no longer has the focal importance it had in the 1930's:


*** w05 8/1 p. 11 Highlights From the Book of Second Kings ***


Just as Jehonadab wholeheartedly accepted Jehu’s invitation to get up into the chariot with him, the "great crowd" willingly support Jesus Christ, the modern-day Jehu, and his anointed followers.—Revelation 7:9.


*** km 12/00 p. 6 Theocratic Ministry School Review ***


As Jehonadab’s heart was with King Jehu, the great crowd today wholeheartedly acknowledge and cooperate with the Greater Jehu, Jesus Christ, represented on earth by anointed Christians. (2 Ki. 10:15, 16)



JWs believe that the partakers of the Lord's meal are the heirs of the Kingdom, included in that Kingdom covenant (cf. Luke 22:29f).


They believe the Kingdom to be a heavenly government of (literally) 144,000 people (cf. Revelation 7; 14) who will rule as kings with Jesus over earthly subjects.


They believe that the Kingdom call is over and that the vast majority of their members are due to become, not members of the heavenly Kingdom, but earthly subjects.


So the vast majority of JWs do not partake of the Lord's meal. Because they are EXCLUDED from the "little flock"

 

[Strypes]

But please, do not miss understand me I am only trying to explain that these people (JW's) are doing there best to Worship to The Almighty GOD, through our Beloved Savior Jesus Christ.

They are not wicked people but brothers & sisters with different opinions.

As Paul & James had their differences of opinions.

I truly understand your want to have the precious people "included"....As brothers and sisters in Christ

My eyes well with tears as I consider your statement...

You see, I desperately wanted that to be true!!!

but it is not.

They are lost. They do not know the truth. They have believed a huge lie.. The watchtower IS EVIL!!! Their teachings do not glorify God. The Watchtower deliberately misleads the congregations and the worship is not of Jehovah but of service to the organization. For example...

If a person is disfellowshiped for what ever reason (disagreeing with an elder, asking a question they are not "prepared" to answer, missing the required number of meetings, accusing the microphone mover of molesting your child or the overseer of attempting to seduce your wife,) They "leave Jehovah"...

That is so not true!!! They are forced out (iced out) of the organization...

God is still God and his love endures forever and one who has a sincere heart and wants to "do their best to Worship The Almighty GOD, through our Beloved Savior Jesus Christ." is NOT disfellowshiped by God!!

My friend that disfellowshiped me, (cut me out of his life totally) I feel truly wants a "real" relationship with Almighty God. But "the organization" has so indoctrinated him with false teachings, He couldn't see truth if it slapped him in the face. He defended the false teachings as truth and your words remind me of him.

When I first started my search for truth regarding JWS, I wanted desperately to find that they ARE brothers and sisters in Christ. But what I discovered was that they are not. The indoctrination of the watchtower steals the basic simplicity of the gospel.The JWS organization reminds me of the Pharisees

13 "How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You lock the door to the Kingdom of heaven in people's faces, but you yourselves don't go in, nor do you allow in those who are trying to enter!

The people that you say have "a different opinion" base their salvation on their own efforts to achieve Jehovah's favor. BY DOING WHAT THE ORGANIZATION REQUIRES!! (opps sorry again chad)

Jonah... I do not wish to belittle the people who want to have relationship with God. I just know more that I really care to. I was happy in my ignorance. But the more i dug into the "organization" the more i realized that the watchtower's doctrines are lies from the pit of hell.

Jesus's words to the pharasees in the passage from Matthew, apply to the organization.

"33 You snakes and children of snakes! How do you expect to escape from being condemned to hell?"

The only hope for the people, the ones that truly want to Know God, is to refuse to follow the watchtowers doctirne and read the Bible for them selves and allow the Holy Spirit to draw their hearts and to open their eyes to TRUTH!

 

[Word of Life]

They are not wicked people but brothers & sisters with different opinions.

As Paul & James had their differences of opinions.[/QUOTE]

Yes, Paul did the unthinkable and received the wrong teachings from the religious people of his time. He listened to man instead of God, which could included people like you and I too. Paul persecuted the Christians, but God forgave him and he used him as a vessel to spread the Word.

We shouldn't be pushing them away but excepting them as brothers & sisters.

When Jesus was being crucified, he was with some other male-factors, who committed a crime, we don't know what that crime was, as the Bible does not say so. One of those men, repented and asked Jesus for forgiveness. He forgave him immediately, Jesus didn't ask him what he did wrong first, and he just forgave him. God works through us now, just as he worked through Jesus. There are many answers we don't know the real answers too yet, but when Jesus comes back, he will give us all those answers, to all these difficult questions.

I personally think we are going to be in for shock.

I have gone through endless studies about the churches and religion, to see why there is so much division amongst Christianity out there, as most are claiming they are in "spirit and truth". And the only solution, I can come up with, we are not listening to the "Holy Ghost", and are listening to our own self spirit. "Carnel mind" If we were listening to Holy Ghost, we would all be one with our Father in Heaven

Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

Except you give me the opinion that you just want to put the JW's down.

But who out there do we trust, that's a difficult one, as we all love the creator, as I see the passion for Him, in their eyes and words. We want to seek to know Him better and get closer to the Him, but what has man done, created huge conflicts and divisions.

One just needs to seek to have that spiritual relationship, with Him, through Christ and God will do the rest. He will change us and circumcise our hearts to His ways and thinking. His ways are not our ways.

Also take note and remember these scriptures, especially the ones I have bolded.

Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

These people and many others from various other types of religion, these people are human beings just like you and I, and God loves them.

There are many people out there, which are lost, more then you might think. The gate is narrow and only a few will find it.

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Man puts rules, rituals and tradtions of man into place within these man made church environments, most don't seek to find out, if it's the truth, or to even find our if it's even scriptural. People just go ahead and follow it, because that man up there says so.

If you are following Christ, you are going to be in the minority and it's that simple. And you are going to stand out and be different from most people, which are around you. The world is not going to like you.

Please take some time and meditate on these scriptures for a few days.

Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
Joh 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Also speak to God about them and not man, He will reveal the truth.
to you.

Meditate on this one too.

1Jn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

I am more worried about this prosperity gospel, which is out there at the moment. People are being blinded by this too

There are many false teachers out there, but it's only God's Word that will eventually lead people from darkness.

I love my bible and I love studying it. The more I read it, the more I am renewed according to God's ways. His ways are not my ways, and what might seem right to me, might just be totally wrong to Him.

If God wants to use us, it will be in the most unusual way. And it won't be according to man's religion either.

These scriptures is so true.

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Nothing must come before God, nothing. This could mean, that you might have to walk away from our own family.

Jesus even told us, this might happen, and this is a tuff one.

Mar 3:33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
Mar 3:34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mar 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Now this is something to think about.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

What is that strong delusion?

 

[Maureen]

People just go ahead and follow it, because that man up there says so.Strange as you say so, I have just left a church for that very reason, I was hearing more about 'what the other church was up to' than what I wanted.

My Holy Spirit within me was telling me this is not what you need to hear.
it wasnt easy, I really did like the Pastor and the people, it is a very smaill
tight knit church, and lovely brothers and sisters, thought I am dissapointed that not one has rang or came to find out about me,
that is of man so I'm not taking that in.

I can understand the J.W's being also taken in, but they whom do not believe in the Holy Spirit as part of their being cannot then be guided by such.

Rutherford has not a good background for trying to lead people, I know we are all guilty of that and it's only by the grace of our Lord Jesus that we stand today, with no merits of our own.

I do believe these people are so far steeped in their belief that it is extremly hard to convince them otherwise, it is only God himself that can break down that wall.

It is interesting to share these notes, and I keep praying that my daughter in law will come along to our serice on a Sunday Morning and hear the 'truth' preached and it will set her free. Amen

 

[Word of Life]

Jonah2005, I was only using your words to help me to express my post.

Strange as you say so, I have just left a church for that very reason, I was hearing more about 'what the other church was up to' than what I wanted.

My Holy Spirit within me was telling me this is not what you need to hear.
it wasnt easy, I really did like the Pastor and the people, it is a very smaill
tight knit church, and lovely brothers and sisters, thought I am dissapointed that not one has rang or came to find out about me,
that is of man so I'm not taking that in.

I hear you and my heart goes out to you Maureen, as that must have been very hard and difficult for you to do. Those people are not bad people, they have just been blinded and are putting the buidling and man before God.

I can understand the J.W's being also taken in, but they whom do not believe in the Holy Spirit as part of their being cannot then be guided by such.

Yes that is correct, they don't believe in being born again and this is the sad part. I don't know where they get that teaching from, because God clearly states in the scriptures, that one needs to be born again, with the incoruptable seed.

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

I do believe these people are so far steeped in their belief that it is extremly hard to convince them otherwise, it is only God himself that can break down that wall.

The Holy Spirit is far greater than what's in this world. We need to stand together as one and pray, and ask God for His will to be done.

Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Luk 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

IIt is interesting to share these notes, and I keep praying that my daughter in law will come along to our serice on a Sunday Morning and hear the 'truth' preached and it will set her free. Amen

I will keep your sister in law and son in my general prayers, as well as all other false teachers, false prophets etc. So that the scales can be taken of their eyes and for their ears to be opened to hear Christ's voice.

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

I do to, often say that in my own prayers, to myself to God, telling Him, "if I too have been blinded by things of man, please take the scales of my eyes to see and help me to hear you and only you".

We all need to pray together, for them daily and ask God to help them.

Personally, and what I would suggest and would tell your sister-in-law and son they need to spend quality times with God alone with their Bible and God will direct them personally. For the moment, they need to stay away from any kind of church and just to seek Him only. They need that breathing space.

 

[Strypes]

The Holy Spirit is far greater than what's in this world.

My trust is in HIS ability to open blind eyes!!!

My prayer for my friend was for him to have a "Damascus road" expierence.. To know that Jesus is God!!

now my prayer for him is more of a "road to Emmaus" expierence. For his eyes to be opened to truth. Clairty of thought not garbled by false doctrines and his heart will trust the only one Worthy!!

That is NOT the watchtower

 

[Strypes]

My friend that disfellowshiped me, (cut me out of his life totally) I feel truly wants a "real" relationship with Almighty God. But "the organization" has so indoctrinated him with false teachings, He couldn't see truth if it slapped him in the face.

That doesn't sound like I am Trusting....


I guess because I am the one that slapped him in the face.

Strypes<=== repents..


Good thing the Holy Spirit is Gentle and knows how to reach his heart.

 

[Jonah2005bt]

Please forgive me . . .

and understand me, I'm NOT saying you must to believe everything they say & do?

I a'm saying to liten up on them just a little.

They are good hearted people wanting to Worship The Almighty GOD as much as you do. With all their heart, soul, mind & might.

So, they have some differences that way them down.

But wouldn't Jesus want us to help them along this bumpy road of life with love and understanding?

Understanding the fact that they to want so much to be loyal to GOD as much as you?

Have mercy & not hate.

Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy— to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore!

Amen.{Jude 1:22-25}

Jesus said: "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, *'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. {Matthew 5:21-22} {Matthew 5:44-48}

*Raca
Topics: Ra'ca

Meaning: vain, empty, worthless, only found in Matt. 5:22. The Jews used it as a word of contempt. It is derived from a root meaning "to spit."

 

[Rachel15]

Please forgive me for jumping in if i'm interrupting, but i'm reading an excellent book The Way of the Master by Ray Comfort and in it there is a chapter entitled How to Witness to Jehovah's Witnesses.

Just thought it may be of some interest, i'd quote some of it but don't want to be in breach of copyright.

God bless,

Rachel

 

[Maureen]

Not such good news tonight,
Son was telling me he had a visit from 2 Elders from J.W. today, giving him literature on stepfamilies, and it was all bible based, I felt like saying who's bible is it base on but, although I held my tongue.

He saw nothing wrong with them coming and doing this, thought it was all very good.
so in my spirit I prayed he needs someone from his church to befriend him. then after the service tonight a lad came over to him whom he knew he asked how long had he been there and how long saved, he looked at me to supply the answer, which I did, bout 2 months, he then said and is your wife saved?
to which son Evan replied yes, (now that's wrong, as we know) I wondered how he didn't know this, but then he added, but she has a differant belief, the friend looked puzzled, he then told him she is a J.W. to which he replied, oh the Holy Spirit can put that right, that can be sorted out, we can get together for fellowship next time give me your number so we can get in touch.

talk about answered short and very quick prayer, thank you Jesus.
so I will also be looking out for Gregg this friend to exchange phone numbers for him.

Praise the Lord he is always way before us.

 

[Jonah2005bt]

Thank you for sharing this with us;

Not such good news tonight,
Son was telling me he had a visit from 2 Elders from J.W. today, giving him literature on stepfamilies, and it was all bible based, I felt like saying who's bible is it base on but, although I held my tongue.

He saw nothing wrong with them coming and doing this, thought it was all very good.
so in my spirit I prayed he needs someone from his church to befriend him. then after the service tonight a lad came over to him whom he knew he asked how long had he been there and how long saved, he looked at me to supply the answer, which I did, bout 2 months, he then said and is your wife saved?
to which son Evan replied yes, (now that's wrong, as we know) I wondered how he didn't know this, but then he added, but she has a differant belief, the friend looked puzzled, he then told him she is a J.W. to which he replied, oh the Holy Spirit can put that right, that can be sorted out, we can get together for fellowship next time give me your number so we can get in touch.

talk about answered short and very quick prayer, thank you Jesus.
so I will also be looking out for Gregg this friend to exchange phone numbers for him.

Praise the Lord he is always way before us.

It sounds like to me GOD is reaching out to you, your son & his wife and for the the lad you spoke of.

Bringing you all together, to learn & give Worship to HIM, as One.

You know, that GOD knows the hearts souls & minds of ALL HIS Children.

HE knows all who truly {down deep in side} want to Worship HIM.

And HE, Jesus Christ & through HIS Holy Sirit {the helper} will bring us all together. So the faith you have in The Almighty GOD, holding on to the teachings of Jesus Christ & the Holly Spirit.

Wisdom comes to us all; the wisdom is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. James 3:17-18.
{James 1:5, James 3:13}

May your walk with The Almighty GOD & Jesus Christ through HIS Holy Spirit be a Blessed ONE!

Love Always, your Sister in Christ Jesus, *genesis

 

[Maureen]

There are many differences which seperate Born Again believers from J.W. the posts in here list many of them, we have the truth and it is only that truth that will set us all free, in Christ Jesus.

It is my son's wife who is lost, she is being fed useless information from an organization, she really is captive. My heart goes out to her, and I pray some of these Sunday Mornings she is going to meet me at them doors and she is going to hear Jesus being preached for who He is and what He has done for us and her to set her free.

Until that day I will continue to pray for her soul and that she will recieve our Saviour who died for you and me.

Thanky you sister.

 

[Jonah2005bt]

We all must come together, somday!

All I know is, someday the worldly government & politicians will do their best to keep us all from serving, Worshiping & obeying GOD.

All those who truly want to Worship The Almighty GOD, we all need to come together. GOD wouldn't want it any other way.

We are all brothers & sisters!

And we are all fighting a Holy War! The question is who side do we choose to be on?

We, that are on the side of The Almighty GOD & HIS Son Jesus Christ;
Whether we believe that Jesus is The Almighty GOD `or` NOT.

Whether Non Devotional, Baptist, Catholic, Jehovah's Witness; no matter what Christian Religion one maybe from, we all need to put our little differences aside and Worship The Almighty GOD together as ONE!

This will happen some day, GOD will call on HIS children, and HE knows who we are.

HE knows who truly love HIM, whether, Non Devotional, Baptist, Catholic, Jehovah's Witness; no matter what Christian Religion one maybe from. For HE knows our hearts, souls & minds better than we know ourselves.

 

[Maureen]

Whether we believe that Jesus is The Almighty GOD `or` NOT.

I can't believe you just said that, do you believe Jesus is God?
said in Love Sister.

 

[Strypes]

Whether we believe that Jesus is The Almighty GOD `or` NOT.

I can't believe you just said that, do you believe Jesus is God?
said in Love Sister.

IT matters To God

Acts 16:30 He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31 They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved--you and your household." 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized. 34 The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God--he and his whole family

I have a question for you Jonah... do you know "the word of the Lord" that they are talking about?

Romans 10:1-11
1 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. 2 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. 3 Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. 4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. 5 Moses describes in this way the righteousness that is by the law: "The man who does these things will live by them." 6 But the righteousness that is by faith says: "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'" (that is, to bring Christ down) 7 "or 'Who will descend into the deep?'" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8 But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11 As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

There are a dozen scriptures i would like to quote but as i need to leave for work...

Whether Non Devotional, Baptist, Catholic, Jehovah's Witness; no matter what Christian Religion one maybe from, we all need to put our little differences aside and Worship The Almighty GOD together as ONE!

I have a challange for you.... Find Jesus's prayer before he was crucified and find study HIS concept of oneness.

 

[Maureen]

I have experienced those differant 'religions' trying to 'come together' as they say, they say 'we have more that unites us than that which divides us'
I really don't understand were they are coming from, they sound like the Pharisees of old, into their traditions and idols.
J.W. is a cult no matter which way you look at it, it is made by man not by God, these poor people are being blinded by man.

If they would not pay heed to the kind of men who have set up and run this organization they would run from it and into the arms of Jesus Christ who died for them too, but they would rather diminish His name, and lower Him to an angel, the almighty himself, the great I am, how can this sort of teaching be recoginized by anyone let alone God.

'For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son that whosoever believieth on Him shall not perish but have everlasting life'
How can you read this and then say ' Whether we believe that Jesus is The Almighty GOD `or` NOT?'

 

[Jonah2005bt]

Whether we believe that Jesus is The Almighty GOD `or` NOT.
I can't believe you just said that, do you believe Jesus is God?
said in Love Sister.

I do believe in The Almighty GOD & in Jesus Christ & that Jesus is The WORD, with all my heart, soul & mind.

Now millions of people believe He is GOD, The Almighty GOD with good reason - *because of what the scriptures say.

As, also the JWs believe that He is not GOD, The Almighty GOD. Which in turn they too say, *because of what the scriptures say.

I am aware of what John 1:1-4 says; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

But please stroll on down to John 1:51 where "]Jesus says; And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

John 3:16-18 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:34-36
34. "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
35. "The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.
36. "He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.''

John 5:17-20
17. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him {Jesus}, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
19. Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.I am not going to say Jesus is or is not GOD, any more. I am going to leave that in GOD'S Hands.

Only because, right now I really do not know for sure. Man has tampered with GOD'S word for centuries.

But I do believe in GOD's guidance & believe HE answers my prays even through Scripture.

So right now, I am focusing on Jesus' teachings & obedience to Him. Therefore, to The Almighty GOD & Father, as well.

We all believe in The Almighty GOD, Jesus Christ & The Holy Spirit.

We all believe that Jesus came to us for a purpose; to save man from sin in hope we will gain everlasting life to live & give true Worship to THE ONE & ONLY - Almighty GOD, for ever & ever.

And that He was chosen by GOD to be the PERFECT Sacrifice, a perfect man for a perfect man.

Romans 5:12-18

12. Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned
13. (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
15. But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
16. And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.
17. For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
18. Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. [/COLOR]

 

[Jonah2005bt]

Whether we believe that Jesus is The Almighty GOD `or` NOT.
I can't believe you just said that, do you believe Jesus is God?
said in Love Sister.

I do believe in The Almighty GOD & in Jesus Christ & that Jesus is The WORD, with all my heart, soul & mind.

Now millions of people believe He is GOD, The Almighty GOD with good reason - *because of what the scriptures say.

As, also the JWs believe that He is not GOD, The Almighty GOD. Which in turn they too say, *because of what the scriptures say.

I am aware of what John 1:1-4 says; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

But please stroll on down to John 1:51 where "]Jesus says; And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of manwhich is in heaven.

John 3:16-18 16 For GOD so loved the world, that he gave HIS ONLY begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17. For God sent not HIS Soninto the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:34-36
34. "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
35. "The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand.
36. "He who believes in the Sonhas everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Sonshall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.''

John 5:17-20
17. But Jesus answered them, My Fatherworketh hitherto, and I work.
18. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him {Jesus}, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
19. Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Soncan do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he {The Father} doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
20. For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.I am not going to say Jesus is or is not GOD, any more. I am going to leave that in GOD'S Hands.

Only because, right now I really do not know for sure. Man has tampered with GOD'S word for centuries.

But I do believe in GOD's guidance & believe HE answers my prays even through Scripture.

So right now, I am focusing on Jesus' teachings & obedience to Him. Therefore, to The Almighty GOD & Father, as well.

We all believe in The Almighty GOD, Jesus Christ & The Holy Spirit.

We all believe that Jesus came to us for a purpose; to save man from sin in hope we will gain everlasting life to live & give true Worship to THE ONE & ONLY - Almighty GOD, for ever & ever.

And that He was chosen by GOD to be the PERFECT Sacrifice, a perfect man for a perfect man.

Romans 5:12-18

12. Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned
13. (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
15. But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
16. And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification.
17. For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)
18. Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.