Once saved always saved???

[Firstborn]

I just want to end here by telling you about the Jesus that saved me and changed my life over a period of nearly 40 years. Form whom I do not want to walk away from. He is a wonderful God and not a piece of cloth which you can put on or take of as you want. Nobody who has been in his Holy presents or tough by Him, stays the same.

That is why He is God and not just a person, His presence influence you not to walk away. If you are not influence by Him, you busy with the wrong Jesus. But people do not even understand to be born again, how will they understand the heavenly things, remember what Jesus said Nicodemus Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
Be Blessed
Niel

 

[Stylez4Christ]

I agree with Tony. You know, while its a beautiful thing to quote Scripture to back up statements we make, it is just common sense that if you walk away from Jesus, you walk away from Salvation. Therefore, you are not saved. If you abide in Christ [remain in Him, in faith and obedience], you are *always* saved so long as you do not walk away.

There is no reason to even have to study so hard to figure out this very simple thing. Its just simple logic. You abandon someone, you abandon your relationship with that person. Same with Christ. You abandon Him, you lose your relationship with Him, and of course Salvation.

More common sense, you expect to be "saved" and go to Heaven if you abandon Jesus? I think not.

They say that when you leave God your life get more worse that means God want us to come back and I know 2 people who almost die because they left God and they had to pray and try to accept him again and they was heal because of that and was in the hospital and they would say they would not make it but plz never leave God he dose not want you go to hell because we have free will but you have a choice the world or Jesus?

The bible is very simple, If you deny him and he will deny you also.
Be careful of leaving God because I know it would hurt God to leave him because I know how I feel when I miss people when I don't see them no more when they move to a place for example this person can move to a very deadly hood where there is drugs, hookers, gangs and more why'll you can live in a nice hood where is Godly people but plz never leave God and stay in Gods ghetto hood not the worldly ghetto hood! << LOL Don’t think I said ghetto in a bad way because I from da hood y’all so I know how they go down, YEP… Hell is mad wack and Heaven is off the chane!:shade::shade:

 

[Stylez4Christ]

You got it all wrong when you said about matt 22 when you said few are chosen, but that has nothing to do with Salvation :|

I believed what Jesus is trying to say he invited a servant to come to this special event or some sort of feast that was going on but those people who was invited had refuse to come, but it also said he invite more but other still ignore but did there own way of doing what they want to do.

So now it is saying For many are called, but few are chosen. Many Ministry can be call but few are chosen. Has nothing to do with Salvation. Right. I guest I can be wrong but that scripture is not that is easy to understand because Jesus seems to be giving a illustration to the priests and Pharisee
:/

See now it has something to do with Chp 21 so you can’t just take one verse because taking one verse going to make some errors out of it, that why I’m sick of tired of people preach traditional denomination because man want people to believed what they believed but not listening what Jesus is saying

 

[Chad]

Stylez....you are right about Matthew 22:14, however you contradicted your own point. It *is* about Salvation, hence "invited" is GOD's offer of Salvation in Christ. It most certainly has to do with salvation no doubt.

Study it carefully, the entire chapter.

 

[spirit1st]

Yes Chad is 100% correct.
Many called are not those BORN OF GOD!
The few chosen have been tested and tried and found worthy to be added to HIS HOUSEHOLD and FAMILY!

He deals with us if we sin or disobey HIm.

I remember when I first accepted the LORD?
I did evil in HIS eyes!
I hated myself for being weak and wanted HIm , To punish me hard.
He only forgive and loved me!
It hurt worse than losing my arms or legs.

I could hardly stand HIM loving me!

So , He does not always make us suffer in the way we think?

Sometimes HE just LOVES us !

This personal think it is far worse on some of us!

He deals with each of us in different ways.

It amazes me at times how HE works things out in our lives?

When ,I ask for help, I watch and wonder ? HOW will HE work this out. kinda like watching a movie , waiting to see the end.
He surprises me so many times in life!

I always need HIm!
I seem to always need healing or some miracle in my life or those around me!

THANK GOD , HE is long suffering, Other wise I would have been dead and gone a long time ago!

 

[Stylez4Christ]

I kind'da disagree because some people would say thing like many are not born of God but I have a different way knowing to what that verse is saying because God would have much faith to keep us save and he'll try everything, that is the love that God has for us. I would not look at God at this way because I look at God better what other might think because that how my mindset runs because Gods nature is love, But anyways..


Should of pray first before reading it ahahahaa but that ok I think. But so it is saying that Salvation is being invited to anyone, don't matter how bad you sin against God. Well salvation is a free gift too so it is up to us to choose that special gift but I don't know where in the bible where God want everybody where is explaining that he want all his people, I mean just don’t remember that verse.
So he choose us first before we ever choose him. Right? See now some people think God choose people like I guest a particular person, almost like a game where a leader of a 2 team get to pick people to what he likes but I don’t believed God is like that because he going to have all as He can , but no God love is going to choose all, but first we to need accept him but not deny him… This is why we to got witness the good news about Jesus, that's why got to spread the word out all over the place like all village, town, city, county, state, nation, and through out the hold world and that we are call for to evangelize..

For many are called, but few are chosen.

I believed it is saying that God is trying to call everyone to accept him because he got good things for everyone I mean special things for everyone to his kingdom but few are not chosen to be save or to accept him because they want to stay in the world for his/her pleasure they love living in the flesh… But I also believed that. Do you think that play with that hold serving the Lord and the world at the sametime???

Am I’m Correct Chad?

 

[Chad]

I kind'da disagree because some people would say thing like many are not born of God but I have a different way knowing to what that verse is saying because God would have much faith to keep us save and he'll try everything, that is the love that God has for us. I would not look at God at this way because I look at God better what other might think because that how my mindset runs because Gods nature is love, But anyways..


Should of pray first before reading it ahahahaa but that ok I think.

No, its not ok because you speak things that the Scripture does not mean and you can easily confuse other people listening to what you "think" Scripture means. Instead of your heart guiding you and taking guesses, let the Holy Spirit guide and take the Truth from Him.

GOD offers us free will to choose or reject Him. Very simple.

But so it is saying that Salvation is being invited to anyone, don't matter how bad you sin against God. Well salvation is a free gift too so it is up to us to choose that special gift but I don't know where in the bible where God want everybody where is explaining that he want all his people, I mean just don’t remember that verse.
So he choose us first before we ever choose him. Right? See now some people think God choose people like I guest a particular person, almost like a game where a leader of a 2 team get to pick people to what he likes but I don’t believed God is like that because he going to have all as He can , but no God love is going to choose all, but first we to need accept him but not deny him… This is why we to got witness the good news about Jesus, that's why got to spread the word out all over the place like all village, town, city, county, state, nation, and through out the hold world and that we are call for to evangelize..

For many are called, but few are chosen.

I believed it is saying that God is trying to call everyone to accept him because he got good things for everyone I mean special things for everyone to his kingdom but few are not chosen to be save or to accept him because they want to stay in the world for his/her pleasure they love living in the flesh… But I also believed that. Do you think that play with that hold serving the Lord and the world at the sametime???

Am I’m Correct Chad?

Brother, your question was answered before in my last post. Few are chosen = those who accept Jesus equals the "few chosen" because they received (by their free will) GOD's gracious gift of Salvation in Christ. Simple, that is what it means.

Few chosen because GOD already knew who would choose Him in the first place. The offer of Salvation is to ALL people but GOD knew beforehand who the "few" would accept this gift of Salvation.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

Oh ok, I guest I should of prayed for the holy spirit to teach but I was not getting much of that scripture, I guest the translation that I was not understanding.

But anyway that was simple to understand

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Abiding in Christ is sort of like keeping your hands on the steering wheel as you drive a car. If you take your hands off the steering wheel when you drive and keep them off, your car will end up in a ditch. If you leave off abiding in Christ and never resume it, your salvation will go into a ditch.

SLE

 

[Stylez4Christ]

Abiding in Christ is sort of like keeping your hands on the steering wheel as you drive a car. If you take your hands off the steering wheel when you drive and keep them off, your car will end up in a ditch. If you leave off abiding in Christ and never resume it, your salvation will go into a ditch.

SLE

I like how you illustrated.

Is like Christian converted to some sort different belief like Muslim, Buddha ect. So that means people can lost there Salvation this way too...

 

[JamesTangella]

Once Saved Always Saved ???? No.

I would like to show some scriptural information to prove it.

Because, We can watch through Word of God,

Salvation is a continue process.

Please refer these :

(I Corinthians 1: 18)
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

(Philippians 2:12)
"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,
13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.

(Mark 12:13)
"All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved."

(Matthew 24:12)
"12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved."

 

[Stylez4Christ]

I would like to show some scriptural information to prove it.

Because, We can watch through Word of God,

Salvation is a continue process.

Please refer these :

(I Corinthians 1: 18)
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

(Philippians 2:12)
"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,
13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.

(Mark 12:13)
"All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved."

(Matthew 24:12)
"12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved."

OK, now I don’t believed those scripture is saying that your save 100% because I don’t know what bible that your reading. :/

1 Corinthians 1: 17-18
17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.


18For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

See Paul is not talking about being save for ever or being save 100% but that is a hold different level now because now it had to do with the wisdom of God. See now with that wisdom of God that it is a power that can save people if you witness to them to evangelize.. I believed that what Paul is explaining. There could be more to this scripture because I would know more if I study it more that is just some of it..

Philippians 2:12
12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Okay now this dose has something to do with Salvation but it has nothing to do with being save for ever but I believed is a instruction to how to be save by time when we see Jesus , but this is a nice scripture where it is saying that since Jesus is not down with us physically but if you look farther down to verse 13 it dose explain that we need to work hard by staying obedience to God because we fear God and the Holy Spirit working in us to do His good work and what please him. See now we have people do resist the Holy Spirit and choose to do bad so they can turn away from God by not doing God good work at all so they can lose salvation by separating away from God.

Mark 12:13
13And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words.

Umm…… ?

Matthew 24:12

Not much of the info that your trying to prove, has to do with the last days.

Because I look a little closer that Jesus saying that the growing of sin is rising that this will may come to past that many of them are in darkness and no love but the evil is this world.

And then I see that if we continue to do what the lord want us to be and continue to hold our gift of Salvation we will be in that special place in the end but now that dose not necessarily mean that your always going to be save but at the same you can be safe for ever because if you really separate your self from God then that how you lost it because if you did then is your fault not God. So it is simple to understand.

 

[spirit1st]

WE should understand one TRUTH?
The NEW TESTAMENT did not start until our LORD died on the Cross!

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.


You see this scripture?
It says they that are called, Not the ELECT!

The Elect are called , tested , Then accepted as HIS family and household!

I am truly sorry I have gone on so long with this?
Forgive me. I have posted To much about this !

 

[Stylez4Christ]

WE should understand one TRUTH?
The NEW TESTAMENT did not start until our LORD died on the Cross!

Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.


You see this scripture?
It says they that are called, Not the ELECT!

The Elect are called , tested , Then accepted as HIS family and household!

I am truly sorry I have gone on so long with this?
Forgive me. I have posted To much about this !

Thats ok your wonderful

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Simon the Sorcerer was not a true believer at the time he tried to buy the power to baptize people in the Holy Spirit.


SLE

 

[Stylez4Christ]

Simon the Sorcerer was not a true believer at the time he tried to buy the power to baptize people in the Holy Spirit.


SLE

Always wonder more to who is Simon but never heard of Sorcere

 

[jiggyfly]

Acts 8:13
*Then Simon himself believed and was baptized. He began following Philip wherever he went, and he was amazed by the great miracles and signs Philip performed.

So are we saying that Philip had no discernment at all. The scriptures say he believed so that is good enough for me, unless someone can produce other scriptures that say differently, Simon was a true believer.

Now, at the time he tried to buy the power of the HolySpirit he was in the flesh and not abiding in Christ is evident, but it doesn't mean that he was never a believer or born- again of the Spirit.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

Acts 8:13
*Then Simon himself believed and was baptized. He began following Philip wherever he went, and he was amazed by the great miracles and signs Philip performed.

So are we saying that Philip had no discernment at all. The scriptures say he believed so that is good enough for me, unless someone can produce other scriptures that say differently, Simon was a true believer.

Now, at the time he tried to buy the power of the HolySpirit he was in the flesh and not abiding in Christ is evident, but it doesn't mean that he was never a believer or born- again of the Spirit.

Oh ok, I guest there are people like that out there

 

[spirit1st]

It is very clear to me?

This man was not BORN OF GOD!
The world is full of people going though the motions of salvation , but , NEVER being BORN Again.

Born again is a new spirit!
We are then ? NEW CREATURES!

Our spirit is perfect and like our LORD!

This mans spirit was not changed;
He still valued his money above all else!


Act 8:18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
Act 8:19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
Act 8:20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Act 8:21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
Act 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
Act 8:23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
Act 8:24 Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.



Act 8:21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
Act 8:22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
Act 8:23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
That shows the mans HEART [ Spirit]


this man was called not chosen!

This is the CALLED- 1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold thatperisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

Chosen-
1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Spirit1st: I'm curious. Why do you so often end sentences that are not questions with question marks?

SLE