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Good message, Jiggyfly. Forgiveness of sin is not a package we unwrap like a birthday gift. Forgiving and being forgiven is the heart of Jesus, the essence of the Christlike living that we become immersed in when we are truly operating in His will.

SLE
 
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Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.


Gal 6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
2Ti 4:22 The Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit. Grace be with you. Amen.

Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

You cannot sin ,if your not under the law!
But remember ,if we sow to the flesh ?Our flesh will suffer greatly. And we will not please our LORD!
if we LOVE our LORD?Then we will do nothing,That would hurt Our Father GOD,We will hate sin.And will seek to please Our Father GOD ,Though JESUS CHRiST!

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

WE must view our flesh and our spirit , in two different lights?
They are 100% different.
one cannot be pleasing to GOD,One always pleasing to GOD!
One cannopt help but sin ,The other will never sin.
Though the spirit, we can and should never permit the flesh to sin!
GOD said?
Be Holy as I am HOLY
BE perfect as I am perfect!
If it could not be?
HE would not tell us so!
satan would have us think? we are still sinners and not perfect childern of the living GOD!
Not true overcomers not more than conquerors.he is a liar!
Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
we are saved by Faith alone ,nothing more or less!
Faith works though LOVE!
We must HAVE FULL FAITH in OUR LORD!
we cannot live if fear doubting as satan would have us!
We are the mighty church , perfect and without spot!
It is done,HE has declared it!
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, by (grace ye are saved;)
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
WE COULD not keep ourselves,He keeps us and we do not belong to ourselves, but to HIM!
1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
fear and unbelief is a killer,it keeps us from living in peace
and also from recieving our Spiritual blessing from the HOLY GHOST!
Even a little doubt,stops us from recieving!
Jas 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
Jas 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
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Re: Once Saved, Always Saved?

I think that you miss the point Paul was making when you fail to quote Philippians 2: 12 & 13 together:

"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed - not only in my presence, but how much more in my absense - continue to work out ypour salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purposes."

Leaving verse 13 out makes salvation sound laborious.

SLE
 
Brother ,that is to me the problem???
The chosen are tested !
The elect are kept!
Most think all scripture is just for the saved?
That scripture shows it is not!
But,We see scriptures like?
cannot sin
and if you sin
or He took our sins and in HIm is no sin .We are in HIm

another if we sin ,we belong to the devil.
They all go together very simply.
Yes are either never disgusted or passed over!

the chosen are very different than the called.
they are dealt with much differently.

Answering questions leads to more questions?
Like who would this be?
Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Makes sense these two go together!
And are toward the elect!

Accepting this scripture as Truth! Would mean ? No one could be saved!
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

But if we see this scripture coupled with these scriptures?

We see ?
It is talking about our spirits, Once born of GOD.
Because they cannot sin.
of course there are many scriptures to tell us the new spirit is perfect.

i could put many ,many scriptures to prove my point!
But one is enough!
1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
NOW ,To understand this scripture, We only need ask ourselves?
How is HIm , in the kingdom?
We will agree , i believe ! Perfect
If this is so?
Then ,Where would we be perfect?
Our soul[mind] NO
Our flesh ? No , it dies because of sin!
Our spirit? Yes it must be , that is all that is left!
Are there scriptures to prove this point?
Many!
Just one for now, Should be enough, but there are many , many more!


Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

So if we can? We start our understanding on the NEW TESTAMENT , from the point of us being BORN of GOD and perfect spirits ,once again.
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I am willing to disgust any scriptures in the new testament!
 
I’m finding all the comments really helpful and interesting. Thanks a lot. I wonder, however, SpiritLedEd, if the sin that leads to death encompasses more than just Gnosticism. Could it not be extended to the promulgation of all false teaching? The Apostle Paul says to the Galatians (Gal 1:8-9): “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

As has already been pointed out, the followers of the Lord must worship in spirit and in truth (John 4:23-24). Does this not mean that we have to make sure we have the true teaching as found in Scripture? This is the teaching that was taught by the Apostles in the first century and which we find in the Bible. There is quite a lot of teaching around today that was developed a few centuries later and which is different from the teaching of the Apostles. In other words, ought we not to be quite careful of doctrines that were not specifically taught by the Apostles and are not specifically found in Scripture?

We might be following a set of beliefs we think were taught by the Apostles but in fact were not. We therefore may believe we are saved and yet because we are not worshipping in truth, as required by our Lord, we might in fact not be saved.

How do we know we are not classed as one of the five foolish virgins? And
How do we know we are not classed among those who say: Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and to whom the Lord will say: “I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

And how do we know we are not like the Laodiceans to whom the Lord says: “So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. (Rev 3:16-18).

It seems that there are people who believe they are followers of the Lord Jesus but in fact are not. That being so, how do we test ourselves to find out if we are worshipping in truth and are not like the Gnostics and following a false doctrine?

And how can we make sure we are not classed among the Laodiceans?

Since it seems we can deceive ourselves that we are saved, we need to have some way of testing if we are in fact deceiving ourselves.

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

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Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

First love , is the moment we were born of GOD! Born again.
At that moment we were willing to die for our LORD or do anything HE wanted us to!

That is when ? We were Hot for the LORD!
We wanted all to know Him as we knew Him.

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

I can tell you for certain, Most churches are not interested in , Leading people to be BORN OF THE SPIRIT!
But to build up there church!

This is very sad!

As I was not taught , Salvation was a new birth experiance.
I died, thinking i was saved!
I was not saved. I had said , the sinners prayer, and went to church!
But , Had never experianced a true birth, which born again is!
 
Praise the lord for the wisdom of cody2 and spirit1st. We have to see the bible as a Jigsaw puzzle, you cannot just take a few pieces and make a statement with them. We have to look at the whole picture. There are also a lot of verses that backup once save always save. What do we do now, count the verses for and against, and the one with the most verses wins.
That is why we have to look at the whole picture. The whole picture is about our spiritual birth. Why did Jesus talked about a spiritual birth in John 3 : 3. Because just like the egg of a woman is conceived by the ***** of a man and out of that came a new human being. I belief the same thing happened in the spiritual realm. Our spirit, after I have confessed my sins and my spirit was cleansed by the blood of the lamb, it is conceived by the incorruptible seed (the Word) 1Pe 1:23. and out of that came a new creation, that is like God, that cannot sin, but live in a temporally sinful body. This is just in a nutshell.
The only thing that can happened to this spiritual being, it grows from a spiritual baby to a spiritual adult. And this is done by the Holy Spirit, through trails and tribulations and our obedience. The same happened to Jesus Heb 5:8 though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered;
Be blessed
Niel.
 
The HOLY GHOST has revealed these things to you.
No person on earth could open your eyes to these truths!

Bless you in the name of JESUS CHRIST , With more understanding , in the mighty name of our LORD JESUS CHRIST!

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever.

I also see our new birth ,as compared to ours LORDS.He came as a baby and we enter in as a baby.

Then , we to are taught as HE was!
The HOLY GHOST

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

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Eph 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
1Co 8:3 But if anyone loves God, he is known by God.
Joh 14:24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me.

I'm reading a book and I want to share this with you.
If you love God you will obey Him and serve Him, if not you will go back into the fallen world where you will become lost again and be under God's wrath.
I know from experience because I was lost twice after my rebirth the first time and was found both times by the Lord. I became under the conviction that if He did not found me again I would have been lost and destined for hell.
 
Heb 13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
This cannot happen to those BORN OF GOD!
They cannot sin, They are perfect spirit!
Not sin full flesh!

We could not keep ourselves!
He can and does keep His household and church perfect!

1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified.

Perfected for how long?
Kept by HIM, for How long?

You see? We have HIS mind and HIS nature!
This means, We cannot sin or lose Salvation!
Living each day , Thinking , you could lose salvation is not being fear , But being in fear always!
He came to set us free!
What we do with this freedom is kinda up to us?
Oh the HOLY GHOST will always remind us and if we refuse to turn away from sin ?

He might just take our lives in the flesh and take us home!

1Co 5:5 To deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1Ti 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

The flesh will always reap what it sows.

There is a price for sinning, that is why we repent , because we will suffer in the flesh .
Sin bring sickness and death to the flesh.

We must understand our New Creature, Once born again!

Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

So we we see? Our new man is created in righteousness and true holiness!
We accept this by faith , as we do not see our spirit!

This mind can only be in our spirit.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

Would that mind sin?
Of course not!

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Would this nature sin.
Of course not.

1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
This tells us ? We are like HE is NOW!
We must accept this as truth.
Sop where are we like HIM?
It can only be in our spirit!

If we accept the truth ? It sets us free!

Our life on earth is about our spirit!
The flesh is 3rd place!
We are spirit first, 2nd soul[mind] 3rd flesh.

We see the results of the spirit in our flesh!

We need to see our outward mind , take on the thinking of the inward mind!

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
2Co 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

We are not two people .
But one person is spirit dwelling in a body with a mind.
Our spirit also had a mind. but our spirit is our main part.
we have outward thinking and inward thinking.
the flesh has a mind of its own ,but the spirit does two.
when we die.
our spirit has all the thoughts of the flesh , but casts off all thoughts that are not truth.
We will have No desires of the flesh
If we walk and live in our inner man? We will never sin or do any evil on the earth!

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

The spirit is our true eternal being.
We never with our natural eyes ever see the true person we talk with!
They are a spirit!
Dwelling in a sin full body.
If we are unsaved? Our flesh and spirit are both sin full.
If born of GOD.
Our flesh is sin full , but our spirit is perfect !
That is why ? He wants us living and walking in our new creature ,born of GOD!
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Many do not like disgusting our Spirit! It appears confusing to many?
But, it is our whole life eternal.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Strong meatt is the deep spiritual trues , He wants to teach us!

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.





Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
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Praise the lord for the wisdom of cody2 and spirit1st. We have to see the bible as a Jigsaw puzzle, you cannot just take a few pieces and make a statement with them. We have to look at the whole picture. There are also a lot of verses that backup once save always save. What do we do now, count the verses for and against, and the one with the most verses wins.
That is why we have to look at the whole picture. The whole picture is about our spiritual birth. Why did Jesus talked about a spiritual birth in John 3 : 3. Because just like the egg of a woman is conceived by the ***** of a man and out of that came a new human being. I belief the same thing happened in the spiritual realm. Our spirit, after I have confessed my sins and my spirit was cleansed by the blood of the lamb, it is conceived by the incorruptible seed (the Word) 1Pe 1:23. and out of that came a new creation, that is like God, that cannot sin, but live in a temporally sinful body. This is just in a nutshell.
The only thing that can happened to this spiritual being, it grows from a spiritual baby to a spiritual adult. And this is done by the Holy Spirit, through trails and tribulations and our obedience. The same happened to Jesus Heb 5:8 though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered;
Be blessed
Niel.

John 15:1-8
1*I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2*Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3*Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.5*I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6*If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7*If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8*Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Matthew 25:1-
1*Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2*And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3*They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4*but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5*While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6*And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7*Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8*And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9*But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10*And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11*Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12*But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13*Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.


Like you said you must be born again to enter the Kindom of Heaven and here in the parable of the ten virgins Jesus likened the kingdom to all ten virgins not just the five that were ready.

I was raised up in the OSAS doctrine and it was very hard for me to accept the truth concerning this false teaching but after calling out to God and humbling myself He delivered me from it's grasp and showed me the Truth. I pray that the same will come to you.
 
Childern are a blessing.
Yes,in most cases ? Our LORd does want us to have childerrn and familys. But , not in all!

This is evil to our LORD
Has nothing to do with having childern!

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:






Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.


Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,


Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Jud 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh,

ud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Jud 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly;
2Pe 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds);


That is really funny?

I was raised fearing to lose salvation, and now know,We cannot.
But, Most were not even saved in the church? as we must be BORN AGAIN for salvation and few have it!
imagine if few are chosen? And you could lose salvation. How many of the few are left????


the oil in that story about the virgins , is The ones BORN of GOD ,The oil is the HOLY GHOST!
Once BORN AGAIN, We get the HOLY GHOST of course.And guess what? HE never leaves us!

You think? He goes to hell with people?
The LORD said? He would never leave or forsake us?
Is this a True Scripture Or The LORD only met if?

Brother ,I know , Once we are Born of GOd , We cannot sin , We are not under the law.
Without the law? Where is sin?

We in our flesh are counted dead .
How can the dead sin?
Joh 17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.


2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;


Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Co 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1Co 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Rom 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offenses unto justification.

Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.


Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.


i can tell you again, it is the called who can fall away.
The elect can never fall away!

I hope the LORD reveals this to you!

1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

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the oil in that story about the virgins , is The ones BORN of GOD ,The oil is the HOLY GHOST!
Once BORN AGAIN, We get the HOLY GHOST of course.And guess what? HE never leaves us!

Amen, spirit1st.

In Isaiah the Jews were called the Lord's servants, but they were not all saved.

Isaiah 43:10
"Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me." KJV
 
MATTHEW 25. The parables of the ten virgins and of the talents are given in the context of Christ's coming and of the establishment of the kingdom of God in Israel (see Matt. 25:31-34). The foolish virgins do not have to picture true believers. One has to read this into the parable. Likewise, the wicked and slothful servant of the parable of the talents does not have to picture a true believer. Again, one must read this into the parable. I believe, in light of everything the New Testament promises to the child of God, that the foolish virgins MUST be those who are unsaved. As I have said before, to interpret this otherwise is to throw multitudes of clear Scriptures into confusion. The wicked and slothful servant is not a true believer. First, he did not know the Lord. He considered the Lord "an hard man." It is obvious that he did not know the blessed Lord Jesus Christ! The fact that he is called a servant does not mean necessarily that he is saved. The Jews are called the Lord's servants, but they were not all saved (Is. 43:10). Let me also say that it is not wise to establish doctrine upon parables. The parables have one central point, and if you try to push every detail of the parable you can have all sorts of doctrinal problems.

Eternal Security and Problem Passages

I don't believe in "If saved, always saved" just so I can do whatever I want. When I sin, I feel horrible and ask forgiveness. I mean there is a lot of people out there that believe in "Once saved, always saved" and go out and live like the unsaved and truly, I don't think those people are really saved. They just said a little prayer and went on with their lives, ignoring God's Holy Word. If they go out sinning and don't feel the need to repent, then it leads me to believe they are not saved at all. I know for a fact that God lets his children know when they sin and He will punish us for our sins because He loves us.
 
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Spirit!st, I plan on responding to your post latter on tonight but wanted to give you an opertunity to respond on how the scriptures from John 15:1-8 fit into your doctrine. Thank you and I will respond latter when I have more time. Oh and also I am having some difficulty understanding the first part of your post about the Gays??? Was this post answering something that I have posted?
 
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Joh 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Joh 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.


1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

I am not taking or replying to any person .
But to the scriptures or things written.


I fully understand in most churches, Those attending are taught they are sinners forever or at least til death of the flesh!


I know ? Scripture teaches us much differently. People can accept or reject scriptures?

It is all about of spirits, but most judge after the weak flesh! Which we all see dies because of sin!

Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Just think about it?
Could HIS body be anything but perfect?
As we are HIS body!
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

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I am still unsure about the OSAS doctrine, I worry about the small gate and narrow road. Mathew 7:13.



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Joh 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Joh 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Joh 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.


1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

I am not taking or replying to any person .
But to the scriptures or things written.


I fully understand in most churches, Those attending are taught they are sinners forever or at least til death of the flesh!


I know ? Scripture teaches us much differently. People can accept or reject scriptures?

It is all about of spirits, but most judge after the weak flesh! Which we all see dies because of sin!

Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Just think about it?
Could HIS body be anything but perfect?
As we are HIS body!
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

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Ok so what how does one become joined to the Lord? Is there any thing required to stay joined to the Lord?
 
Yes, there is?
We must accept the gospel as Truth!
Then Ask HIm into our hearts as LORD and MASTER. He will not enter into us , unless we truly allow HIm to be ruler of our entire lives and being!
Many are not saved , Because they will not allow HIm , HIS proper place as LORD!

We see abraham , had to be willing to give what , He loved most on earth?
His Son!

We see the rich , had to be willing to give what he loved most? His money.
The rich man had obeyed all the commandments, But could not give up what he treasured most!

Each of us treasure something above all else.It could be pride or our childern or money , hard to say?

Different with each of us???


Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

vs, 3:6 explains 3:5
Our first birth is of water.
Our next birth must be of our spirit!
then we are joined with our LORD as one!

Of course we still battle every day of our lives with our flesh . and evil spirits and our old thoughts of the world.
Not easy being trained to live by sight, then must live by Faith!


Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written. The just shall live by faith

1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the Scriptures:
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


Rom 10:11 For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Act 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified.

Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

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