Mother Mary

[Twistie]

Dear Sister,
What is God impressed with? Wanted to ask the video this. lol

This person is making assumptions that are probably correct in many ways sister but has very little to do with the why of going to church in the first place and also makes me wonder why that is not covered or explained in this video.

Outside of attending a church to....should I list them...with others, there is very little one can do for each other. Might as well as listen to AI give a sermon, and attend the online religious sermons which some people do. Isolating oneself away from others, instead of attending in person in some antiquated building, needing your resources to keep going from one day to the next.

Times have changed, because if not for the very churches being stated in this video as being unnecessary, you won't have the technology that uses the very sermons that were spoken out loud in times past that all they were voiced in, were just someone's house, or an unused building as well as cathedrals too.

It's not the attendance, though it does help for consistency sake but rather the assembling of believers together that matters. Not necessarily to God though through Paul who stated we should not neglect doing so, but to each believer. It's about lifting each other up, and all else that goes with being the Body of Christ. We were not meant to stand alone, though nothing precludes us from doing so because of the Holy Spirit in us, but it truly is of necessity and the reason why we are called the Body of Christ, the Temple of the Most High, and why where two or more are gathered in His Name...

Thanks for sharing the video sister, but the title of it is wrong on many levels. Consider those in countries where it would cost them their lives to even admit being a follower of Jesus, much less assemble together in His name, to learn, worship, praise Him? They attend churches, but probably more in line that I mentioned earlier, and as the first churches were. Still, this video even in title presumes if you go to church, you can't be a believer because the chosen don't attend them. A thought they should remember is the parable of the "wheat and the tares".

If you can find one that fulfills or at least comes close to walking in His ways, then keep praying and looking because they are out there. Don't just give up, and think they're all the same...

Acts 2:46-47
Hebrews 10:25

With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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See i would gladly meet up with brothers and sisters any day n worship with the Lord.. what i cant do brother is be around a bunch a fakes ya know those who wont even speak to each other yet they see each other week in n week out yet never stepped foot in each others homes never been to a celebration or a mourning ceremony that dont even know the trials that those they see are going through that brother is not brothers n sisters gathering that is the fruit of the false preacher all he concerned about is that lil change he gonna get most them preachers dont even know who is even in their gathering..i know what the Lord says n He aint ever told me to go play make believe brother i see to many homeless out here i see to many struggling just to eat n pay bills personally we help anyone we can in anyway we can we just dont throw money at a man to read what we can read ya know?..

I apologize if i offend ya but i cant say i aint seeing what i am seeing we are the Witnesses for the Lord n He coming soon

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[Dave M]

Why not? is my question back to you.

what does the word of God say? do you know ?

 

[Dave M]

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Why not? is my question back to you.

If you believe that in hearing the word of Jesus, and believing in Jesus. That you will never die.

I have to believe for someone that accepted the word of an Angel, that received Jesus in her womb. That raised Jesus was there for most of his ministry, was there at the foot of the cross experienced Jesus after his resurrection. Is someone who really believes that Jesus is Lord and savior.

So there should be no doubt in our minds that Mary is in heaven.

This being said, the question I have for you is. Is Mary alive?

Remember being a Christian means that if you die in Christ, you are alive in Jesus.

NO follower of YAW, Jesus, the great, I AM, GOD al mighty, prays to anyone other than GOD, Jesus is my king my lord and to him alone I trust I pray, I hope.

only a deceived person would pray to anyone other then God. only a decieved person would think anyone but God hears there prayers.

is Mary in heaven I would think so, why ask me such question, just dont pray to her, and do not call her the queen of heaven, do not call her mother of GOd, and do not give her the glory due to God, and no she is NOT our mediator between the us and the father Jesus is.

have a good night, Bill I have spent much time over the years praying for you,

 

[Christ4Ever]

See i would gladly meet up with brothers and sisters any day n worship with the Lord.. what i cant do brother is be around a bunch a fakes ya know those who wont even speak to each other yet they see each other week in n week out yet never stepped foot in each others homes never been to a celebration or a mourning ceremony that dont even know the trials that those they see are going through that brother is not brothers n sisters gathering that is the fruit of the false preacher all he concerned about is that lil change he gonna get most them preachers dont even know who is even in their gathering..i know what the Lord says n He aint ever told me to go play make believe brother i see to many homeless out here i see to many struggling just to eat n pay bills personally we help anyone we can in anyway we can we just dont throw money at a man to read what we can read ya know?..

I apologize if i offend ya but i cant say i aint seeing what i am seeing we are the Witnesses for the Lord n He coming soon

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Gosh, sister, it would take a lot more than that for me to be offended especially by you! lol
Don't you know, I can remember when you first joined!

What's offensive to me is professing believers, and I say professing because I don't know if they are or not; putting the good fruit in with the bad without differentiating and not actually knowing how there can be a difference. Our Lord knew, and so did the believers, who by the way were Pharisees...though I'm not so sure about any Sadducees!

Thankfully our God doesn't paint with a wide brush when it comes to judgment day, but each will stand on their own, with Jesus or without for all they have done in word and deed. That should have everyone trembling awaiting that day which will come for all of us.

My dad was of the same mind as you about being around the hypocrites in church. He wanted to smack them around a bit, because he knew the life they were leading was full of lies, and what they did in church didn’t reflect who they really were.

I've always been of the mind, that without Godly people being around them, and telling them, showing them the truth of God's word, how will they know, or be convicted of the sin in their lives. Hopefully by the Holy Spirit they will be led to change, and if they don't know Him, then draw them to Him as Lord and Savior! As some say, church isn’t for the healthy, but for the sick who need healing in more ways than one, even in ways they may not realize they need!

Seen it more than once, and they're no longer there, and are out in the world living the lives of sin, that they always wanted to, but without the conviction that they found in church! Then it does depend on the church, and more importantly the congregation in that assembly. That is another reason discernment is important, even in a church building amongst other believers. Many forget why they're there, and don't realize if you don't bring Jesus with you into the assembly, then you've probably never had Him to begin with. So, stop play acting, and start listening to the Word of God being preached, and talk to one of those around you that do know and have Him who will gladly help you too as well! It's having one of those come to Jesus moments, that everyone needs.

Always depends on whether the church one is going to actually believes in Him and stands on God's Word. Sadly, it can be fine with one pastor, and when another pastor takes over, it can change overnight, and not necessarily for the better either! That's why every believer needs to keep testing what they see, hear, like the Bereans did with Paul!

With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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[Twistie]

Gosh, sister, it would take a lot more than that for me to be offended especially by you! lol
Don't you know, I can remember when you first joined!

What's offensive to me is professing believers, and I say professing because I don't know if they are or not; putting the good fruit in with the bad without differentiating and not actually knowing how there can be a difference. Our Lord knew, and so did the believers, who by the way were Pharisees...though I'm not so sure about any Sadducees!

Thankfully our God doesn't paint with a wide brush when it comes to judgment day, but each will stand on their own, with Jesus or without for all they have done in word and deed. That should have everyone trembling awaiting that day which will come for all of us.

My dad was of the same mind as you about being around the hypocrites in church. He wanted to smack them around a bit, because he knew the life they were leading was full of lies, and what they did in church didn’t reflect who they really were.

I've always been of the mind, that without Godly people being around them, and telling them, showing them the truth of God's word, how will they know, or be convicted of the sin in their lives. Hopefully by the Holy Spirit they will be led to change, and if they don't know Him, then draw them to Him as Lord and Savior! As some say, church isn’t for the healthy, but for the sick who need healing in more ways than one, even in ways they may not realize they need!

Seen it more than once, and they're no longer there, and are out in the world living the lives of sin, that they always wanted to, but without the conviction that they found in church! Then it does depend on the church, and more importantly the congregation in that assembly. That is another reason discernment is important, even in a church building amongst other believers. Many forget why they're there, and don't realize if you don't bring Jesus with you into the assembly, then you've probably never had Him to begin with. So, stop play acting, and start listening to the Word of God being preached, and talk to one of those around you that do know and have Him who will gladly help you too as well! It's having one of those come to Jesus moments, that everyone needs.

Always depends on whether the church one is going to actually believes in Him and stands on God's Word. Sadly, it can be fine with one pastor, and when another pastor takes over, it can change overnight, and not necessarily for the better either! That's why every believer needs to keep testing what they see, hear, like the Bereans did with Paul!

With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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Ya i have come to learn that church is not about a certain day hour place but about it is about the people they you are gathering with so so many "Shepard,leaders,pastors,priest," what eva title they decide on claiming dont even know what their job is seems most think its about numbers and cash.. they seem to have forgotten it is their job to make sure those they entrusted with are ok to go visit them if they sick help them if they fall on hard times they are to protect them to love them like they would their own flesh.dang bruh i haven't seen a true one like that in many many yrs.. Lord says we will know them by their fruits..idk ive just seen so many go through poor hoods collect what they can do as lil as possible ignore them babies on the streets close doors n move to their next spot.. idk..i just dont understand..how so many just watched instead of helping them babies i mean thats what we are called to do.. they was right there watching bruh n had the audacity to say they collecting cash to help their missionaries go to other countries to help them smh..i get others need help but Lord says those who don't help their own are worse then infidels..how can one claim to love what they cant see yet not have love for what they can see..i heard so many times you need to come back to church to God i just say I didn't leave God fact is Leaving has brought me much closer to God because the people in them "churches" crushed my heart n my spirit..idk but i do know that I am His witness n my joy has been fulfilled for i hear Him ya know?..

Anywho

Hope alls well

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[Christ4Ever]

Ya i have come to learn that church is not about a certain day hour place but about it is about the people they you are gathering with so so many "Shepard,leaders,pastors,priest," what eva title they decide on claiming dont even know what their job is seems most think its about numbers and cash.. they seem to have forgotten it is their job to make sure those they entrusted with are ok to go visit them if they sick help them if they fall on hard times they are to protect them to love them like they would their own flesh.dang bruh i haven't seen a true one like that in many many yrs.. Lord says we will know them by their fruits..idk ive just seen so many go through poor hoods collect what they can do as lil as possible ignore them babies on the streets close doors n move to their next spot.. idk..i just dont understand..how so many just watched instead of helping them babies i mean thats what we are called to do.. they was right there watching bruh n had the audacity to say they collecting cash to help their missionaries go to other countries to help them smh..i get others need help but Lord says those who don't help their own are worse then infidels..how can one claim to love what they cant see yet not have love for what they can see..i heard so many times you need to come back to church to God i just say I didn't leave God fact is Leaving has brought me much closer to God because the people in them "churches" crushed my heart n my spirit..idk but i do know that I am His witness n my joy has been fulfilled for i hear Him ya know?..

Anywho

Hope alls well

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Dear Sister,
Your spirit is in the Lord! Others cannot crush it, unless you let them. Oh, you can shake your head on what they do, but they will have their comeuppance. That you see the darkness of sin, in the lives of even believers is nothing new and should rend the heart of every believer, but should also set you to showering the Love of Christ to them. Yes, even hypocrite, lie, thief, because what awaits them is not what God has ever wanted for them, nor should it be what we want for them. No matter how well deserved, because but for the grace of God, it could have been us there, in some cases was us at one time in our loves.

Yes, even in the churches. The ones who are truly seeking Him, and want to know Him better, will gravitate to you. Because the love and care you show to others are a beacon of light in the darkness that is there. Oh, you'll also attract the looks, stares, but that is to be expected, and I pay them no mind. Why be surprised that you find them there, when even the devil can be found there? You keep speaking the truth...with temperance of course yet by not only your words, but acts of kindness you'd be surprised how much it helps those who are seekers of truth. The Holy Spirit will also send his to you. While others are in praise/worship in my church, I'm sitting in the sitting area in the foyer, normally with 3 or more who God has sent to me, and we talk the Word of God, and how He makes himself present in their lives. Even, or should I say especially in the hard times, but also in the good.

Remember it's not about the numbers, which many churches think they derive their existence from, but each soul that enters your space. I've come to find out that in this church building, I will touch others in different walks of life, cultures, races, with the love of the Lord, that I never would have been able to do otherwise. I just don't live/walk where they do. Some are professionals, cops, doctors, homeless, single, married, widowed, old, young, blind, and it goes on and on. Talk, pray, and then go in to hear the sermon!

People wonder why I don't go in for the praise and worship portion of service. Well, the lights bother my eyes mostly. Loudness of the music doesn't since I'm half deaf and only have to turn down my hearing aids. lol Still, sometimes I do, as the Spirit moves me to. That is the interesting part about it all in that little foyer area. The talks I have with people, will at times be the very thing the sermon is about. Occasionally someone who I talked with, will look for me with a light in their eyes, and amazement on their faces. Saying "what we talked about was in the sermon today!" I tell them, it's all from the Holy Spirit, and why studying the Word of God (food), will touch you in every facet of your life, if you will let Him. Just don't let the World or what some would say is "life" get in the way of being about His business. They say but it's "life", but I tell them, "Life is good, but Eternal life is better." Comes from a lyric I heard years ago, from a Christian song, but it's true! lol

Anyway, I know you don't let them get you down, but don't let any of them affect you in such a way that sends the timid seekers running, because they need the Lord too, and will find their strength and boldness in Him, just as you have.

Prayer & Blessings to you and yours dear sister.
With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Twistie]

Dear Sister,
Your spirit is in the Lord! Others cannot crush it, unless you let them. Oh, you can shake your head on what they do, but they will have their comeuppance. That you see the darkness of sin, in the lives of even believers is nothing new and should rend the heart of every believer, but should also set you to showering the Love of Christ to them. Yes, even hypocrite, lie, thief, because what awaits them is not what God has ever wanted for them, nor should it be what we want for them. No matter how well deserved, because but for the grace of God, it could have been us there, in some cases was us at one time in our loves.

Yes, even in the churches. The ones who are truly seeking Him, and want to know Him better, will gravitate to you. Because the love and care you show to others are a beacon of light in the darkness that is there. Oh, you'll also attract the looks, stares, but that is to be expected, and I pay them no mind. Why be surprised that you find them there, when even the devil can be found there? You keep speaking the truth...with temperance of course yet by not only your words, but acts of kindness you'd be surprised how much it helps those who are seekers of truth. The Holy Spirit will also send his to you. While others are in praise/worship in my church, I'm sitting in the sitting area in the foyer, normally with 3 or more who God has sent to me, and we talk the Word of God, and how He makes himself present in their lives. Even, or should I say especially in the hard times, but also in the good.

Remember it's not about the numbers, which many churches think they derive their existence from, but each soul that enters your space. I've come to find out that in this church building, I will touch others in different walks of life, cultures, races, with the love of the Lord, that I never would have been able to do otherwise. I just don't live/walk where they do. Some are professionals, cops, doctors, homeless, single, married, widowed, old, young, blind, and it goes on and on. Talk, pray, and then go in to hear the sermon!

People wonder why I don't go in for the praise and worship portion of service. Well, the lights bother my eyes mostly. Loudness of the music doesn't since I'm half deaf and only have to turn down my hearing aids. lol Still, sometimes I do, as the Spirit moves me to. That is the interesting part about it all in that little foyer area. The talks I have with people, will at times be the very thing the sermon is about. Occasionally someone who I talked with, will look for me with a light in their eyes, and amazement on their faces. Saying "what we talked about was in the sermon today!" I tell them, it's all from the Holy Spirit, and why studying the Word of God (food), will touch you in every facet of your life, if you will let Him. Just don't let the World or what some would say is "life" get in the way of being about His business. They say but it's "life", but I tell them, "Life is good, but Eternal life is better." Comes from a lyric I heard years ago, from a Christian song, but it's true! lol

Anyway, I know you don't let them get you down, but don't let any of them affect you in such a way that sends the timid seekers running, because they need the Lord too, and will find their strength and boldness in Him, just as you have.

Prayer & Blessings to you and yours dear sister.
With the Love in Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Ya here lays the problem with me..im not timid i am unable to keep my mouth shut while that wanna be preacher or what eva he may wanna be lies and steals from the people..Lord send me to places to see to witness what they are doing n if one ask i tell..ya know i had a wife of a preacher approach me at one time n asked if i was a Christian i said naw im just a simple follower n witness to the Lord man should of seen her face she stared ay me n then said ya my husband use to call himself that until he meant me..all them people talking language of demons with that tongue clacking claiming it was the Holy Spirit..
I can tell ya of much evil that goes on in them Synagogues of satan called church they are way more in numbers then the True church of Abba..

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

If i wanna go hang with the world id go to a concert or something Lord tells us His ways it is man that dont wanna follow Him they rather follow traditions..

Hope alls well!!

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[Bill]

NO follower of YAW, Jesus, the great, I AM, GOD al mighty, prays to anyone other than GOD, Jesus is my king my lord and to him alone I trust I pray, I hope.

only a deceived person would pray to anyone other then God. only a decieved person would think anyone but God hears there prayers.

is Mary in heaven I would think so, why ask me such question, just dont pray to her, and do not call her the queen of heaven, do not call her mother of GOd, and do not give her the glory due to God, and no she is NOT our mediator between the us and the father Jesus is.

have a good night, Bill I have spent much time over the years praying for you,

May Jesus fill us with his Love and wisdom

My Friend, thank you for all your prayer.

I think the question anyone should ask themselves what is prayer? Is it speaking to those who have died in Jesus, have gone off before us?
Then Jesus himself has violated the Laws of God too. Talking to Moses and Elijah, calling to Lazarus, and to the child who died. In the Acts of the Apostles, Paul also does this.

So talking to those who have gone on before us is not worship.

There is a difference between worshipping Jesus as God, and having Reverence to the woman who said yes to an Angel. And there is a differance for me when i talk with Angels and others who died in Jesus. ( they ars not trully dead by the way)

 

[Dave M]

I would disagree, God is the only we pray to,,,, through Jesus, by the Holy spirit,,, just like the word of God says ,,,there is one mediator between man and God,,, and he is Jesus.

 

[Gothedral]

I think the question anyone should ask themselves what is prayer? [...] So talking to those who have gone on before us is not worship.

There is a difference between worshipping Jesus as God, and having Reverence to the woman who said yes to an Angel. And there is a differance for me when i talk with Angels and others who died in Jesus. ( they ars not trully dead by the way)

(Wow, I am glad I just started OCIA.)
The particular woman who "said yes to an angel" is Mary the mother of Christ; so she said yes to God whom she serves.
And I know you have a sense of humor, so even I will say your irreverent not-really-necromancy post is just a lol between you and @Dave M .

But since you put a capital "r" on reverence toward Mary the mother of Christ... I must question this "reverent" behavior. Please laugh as I point to three apparent sins of the Rosary. Under the strict parameters of the Roman Catholic New American Bible Revised Edition (NABRE) text, the command to "pray the Rosary" is exposed as a devilish ideation that directly reverses the mechanics of biblical prayer.

First... It relies on repetitive babbling outlawed by Jesus Christ our GOD in Saint Matthew 6:7-9,
7 In praying, do not babble like the pagans, who think that they will be heard because of their many words.
8 Do not be like them. Your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
9 “This is how you are to pray:
Our Father in Heaven, hallowed be your name...

Second... It attempts to create a secondary Mediator outlawed in 1 Timothy 2:5-6,
1 First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone,
2 for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity.
3 This is good and pleasing to GOD our Savior,
4 who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of The Truth.
5 For there is One God. There is also One Mediator between God and the human race, Christ Jesus, himself human,
6 who gave Himself as ransom for all. This was the testimony at the proper time.

And thirdly... it ignores the indwelling intercession of the Holy Spirit detailed in Romans 8:26-27,
26 In the same way, the Spirit too comes to the aid of our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we ought, but the Holy Spirit itself intercedes with inexpressible groanings.
27 And the One who searches hearts knows what is the intention of the spirit, because it intercedes for the holy ones according to God’s will.

Addressing Saint Mary as intercessor rather than The Holy Father, Holy Son, and the Holy Spirit is wrong according to GOD.

Remember: Under your strict parameters of the Word of God (Matthew 12), there is no human ritual, priest, or secondary advocate that can reverse this verdict. God explicitly states that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is completely unforgivable. It stands as the absolute limit of Divine mercy, permanently locking the rebel into eternal judgment.

30 Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
31 Therefore, I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

(I'm glad I have this saved, so I can bring this damnable iniquity question to my next OCIA meeting with the Padres.)

 

[Twistie]

I would disagree, God is the only we pray to,,,, through Jesus, by the Holy spirit,,, just like the word of God says ,,,there is one mediator between man and God,,, and he is Jesus.

Amen to that
For thou shalt worship no other god; for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God,

Regard not those who have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.

For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things..

Another thing i had come to see how roman Catholic teachings that go against the Living God is they teach us to call the priests Father n we are told not to do that

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Many make excuses instead of changing up their ways but we will all have to answer to the Lord Himself ya know?..

Hope alls well!

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[Bill]

I would disagree, God is the only we pray to,,,, through Jesus, by the Holy spirit,,, just like the word of God says ,,,there is one mediator between man and God,,, and he is Jesus.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Jesus can not break the laws of God stated in the First Covenant.

These Laws would include talking to the dead.

What you are missing/forgetting is what scripture states. A person that physically dies in Christ is not dead but alive.

When the flesh dies it becomes dirt, and those who are the children of God, this includes Moses and Elijah, as well as Mary and my parents and many others. Your flesh does not go to heaven, unless you're Jesus or the Two Witnesses or Enoch and Elijah. But you're flesh becomes dust. But who you are, your soul goes to Jesus. And you are alive with Jesus. So even though I'm talking to those who have gone on before me, I am not breaking the law of God because I'm not talking to the Dead I'm talking to the Living

 

[Bill]

(Wow, I am glad I just started OCIA.)
The particular woman who "said yes to an angel" is Mary the mother of Christ; so she said yes to God whom she serves.
And I know you have a sense of humor, so even I will say your irreverent not-really-necromancy post is just a lol between you and @Dave M .

But since you put a capital "r" on reverence toward Mary the mother of Christ... I must question this "reverent" behavior. Please laugh as I point to three apparent sins of the Rosary. Under the strict parameters of the Roman Catholic New American Bible Revised Edition (NABRE) text, the command to "pray the Rosary" is exposed as a devilish ideation that directly reverses the mechanics of biblical prayer.

First... It relies on repetitive babbling outlawed by Jesus Christ our GOD in Saint Matthew 6:7-9,
7 In praying, do not babble like the pagans, who think that they will be heard because of their many words.
8 Do not be like them. Your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.
9 “This is how you are to pray:
Our Father in Heaven, hallowed be your name...

Second... It attempts to create a secondary Mediator outlawed in 1 Timothy 2:5-6,
1 First of all, then, I ask that supplications, prayers, petitions, and thanksgivings be offered for everyone,
2 for kings and for all in authority, that we may lead a quiet and tranquil life in all devotion and dignity.
3 This is good and pleasing to GOD our Savior,
4 who wills everyone to be saved and to come to knowledge of The Truth.
5 For there is One God. There is also One Mediator between God and the human race, Christ Jesus, himself human,
6 who gave Himself as ransom for all. This was the testimony at the proper time.

And thirdly... it ignores the indwelling intercession of the Holy Spirit detailed in Romans 8:26-27,
26 In the same way, the Spirit too comes to the aid of our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we ought, but the Holy Spirit itself intercedes with inexpressible groanings.
27 And the One who searches hearts knows what is the intention of the spirit, because it intercedes for the holy ones according to God’s will.

Addressing Saint Mary as intercessor rather than The Holy Father, Holy Son, and the Holy Spirit is wrong according to GOD.

Remember: Under your strict parameters of the Word of God (Matthew 12), there is no human ritual, priest, or secondary advocate that can reverse this verdict. God explicitly states that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is completely unforgivable. It stands as the absolute limit of Divine mercy, permanently locking the rebel into eternal judgment.

30 Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.
31 Therefore, I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

(I'm glad I have this saved, so I can bring this damnable iniquity question to my next OCIA meeting with the Padres.)

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

It's okay I forgive you. The Angels get plenty upset over this type of conversation by the way. Because there is much Reverence towards Mary the mother of Jesus in heaven.

Personally I don't think we should bother to continue talking about this particular subject because all it does is put a wedge deeper between the Catholics and the Protestants. Plainly, the Protestants don't wish to understand.

Continuing to put the wedge between the Catholics and the Protestants is a sin to itself. Because rather than trying to find love between all of us children of God. All it does is draw more of a deeper wedge between us.

What we should be talking about are things that are coming up that are way more important, for instance not taking the mark of the beast. And why it is so important not to.

With the same passion that you have here condemning Catholics for whatever they think, you're going to see many preachers promoting why it's okay to take the mark of the beast. They will say to you, because you are the children of God you don't have to worry about anything. But I can tell you plainly, you take the mark of the beast and you're going to go to hell.

 

[Bill]

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.

I have tried to explain why it's okay to talk to those who have gone on before us. Because they're alive in Jesus and not dead. It is why Jesus could talk to Moses and Elijah. And not break his own laws, the Covenant for instance. Because Jesus was also bound to them.

The first Covenant was between God and man. God stated the Moses that if you keep the laws that he also will keep the laws. And Jesus had to follow those same laws during his lifetime.

The second Covenant came about when Jesus spoke to Peter.

And it was through Peter and those who followed after him that made the laws that work both in heaven and on Earth. This is the big difference between Christianity and everything else.

Understanding the difference between worshiping. And having high reverence for a person. There is a huge difference if you can't understand that then I'm sorry we will just never understand each other.

Again I tell you these wedges that we talked about here and that's exactly what they are, are wedges. If you want to continue to go down this path just understand that i place a warning on it for you. Judging another Christian denomination, do it at your peril. Remember God is the judge.

I don't even judge the Israelites, I don't even judge the Muslims. What is the point. All I can do is plant seeds, seeds are the ones that God gives me to to plant but it's not up to me to make those seeds grow that's up to God. It's not my job to judge you or others. It's my place to share with you my thoughts my faith. It's not your place to judge me, but we can share each other's thoughts.

 

[Twistie]

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom.

I have tried to explain why it's okay to talk to those who have gone on before us. Because they're alive in Jesus and not dead. It is why Jesus could talk to Moses and Elijah. And not break his own laws, the Covenant for instance. Because Jesus was also bound to them.

The first Covenant was between God and man. God stated the Moses that if you keep the laws that he also will keep the laws. And Jesus had to follow those same laws during his lifetime.

The second Covenant came about when Jesus spoke to Peter.

And it was through Peter and those who followed after him that made the laws that work both in heaven and on Earth. This is the big difference between Christianity and everything else.

Understanding the difference between worshiping. And having high reverence for a person. There is a huge difference if you can't understand that then I'm sorry we will just never understand each other.

Again I tell you these wedges that we talked about here and that's exactly what they are, are wedges. If you want to continue to go down this path just understand that i place a warning on it for you. Judging another Christian denomination, do it at your peril. Remember God is the judge.

I don't even judge the Israelites, I don't even judge the Muslims. What is the point. All I can do is plant seeds, seeds are the ones that God gives me to to plant but it's not up to me to make those seeds grow that's up to God. It's not my job to judge you or others. It's my place to share with you my thoughts my faith. It's not your place to judge me, but we can share each other's thoughts.

Ya for me personally imma just follow what Abba says add or subtract nothing..i fear Him i fear being without Him ya know? One intercessor One gate One Lord One son..i lnow for sure who the son is..i know there are many evil spirits that go to others in the form of light..even satan himself disguised himself as light..i Believe Mary wheeps because she knows man should not be Bowing or praying to her..why there was the statues of her crying..that happened yrs ago tho

Let YHs Word be true and man be a liar..thats all i know frfr.

Hope alls well..

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[Gothedral]

Thank you for sharing your testimony and insight @Bill. Like I said, I am formally learning from clergy at this point in my life.
I like to think that God's plan is basically we all talk to each other about it.
Or more to the point, warn the others!
May the Lord have mercy on our souls.