Why people believe they love ones, looking down on them smiling

[Leumas]

In the scriptures it's written in 2 Chronicles 1: 7 In that night did God appear unto Solomon, and said unto him, Ask what I shall give thee. 8 And Solomon said unto God, Thou hast shewed great mercy unto David my father, and hast made me to reign in his stead. 9 Now, O LORD God, let thy promise unto David my father be established: for thou hast made me king over a people like the dust of the earth in multitude. 10 Give me now wisdom and knowledge, that I may go out and come in before this people: for who can judge this thy people, that is so great? 11 And God said to Solomon, Because this was in thine heart, and thou hast not asked riches, wealth, or honour, nor the life of thine enemies, neither yet hast asked long life; but hast asked wisdom and knowledge for thyself, that thou mayest judge my people, over whom I have made thee king: 12 wisdom and knowledge is granted unto thee; and I will give thee riches, and wealth, and honour, such as none of the kings have had that have been before thee, neither shall there any after thee have the like.
Let's take a look at why we care to hear Solomon in 1 Kings 4: 29 And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that is on the sea shore. 30And Solomon's wisdom excelled the wisdom of all the children of the east country, and all the wisdom of Egypt. 31 For he was wiser than all men; than Ethan the Ezrahite, and Heman, and Chalcol, and Darda, the sons of Mahol: and his fame was in all nations round about.
32 And he spake three thousand proverbs: and his songs were a thousand and five. 34 And there came of all people to hear the wisdom of Solomon, from all kings of the earth, which had heard of his wisdom.

The stupidity that has overrun
this Earth it's too much for me
anymore to endure.

Nothing personal against you
But I just can't endure
Nonsense and stupidity anymore.

 

[Garee]

Didn't Christ (The Truth) teach at times using metaphors (parables)?

What then is Abraham's Bosom?

It's obvious you think this passage in Luke is literal science (specifically cosmology) so... prove to me from scripture (or even from other sources) that Abraham's Bosom is not a metaphor.

Thanks,
Rhema

Wait a second... did you even read any of the posts by @BroTan? - and I mean the SCRIPTURE that he posted to provide support of his views. What about them? Should we run 'em through the shredder? Just ignore them? Use New Testament "scripture" to reject the Old?

Seriously, what's up with that?

Yes Abraham's Bosom (the invisible presence of Christ our Holy Father is a metaphor used in parable every time all times .The word Abraham is the same a metaphor used in parables. Parables are full of metaphors

Abraham the new born again name meaning (the father of all the nations of the world) .Previously Abram father of one family Abram a second born like Abel a second born to represent mankind must be born again or Enos replacing the second born seed Christ used to pass down the gospel seed. . . , fulfilled it with Jesus the son of man the first born again son of God

Without even one parable Christ spoke not . . .hiding the understanding of faith from the unbelieving world revealing it to sons of God, Christians

Parables create confusion with the father of lies by the powerful unseen things of God (Faith understanding God not seen )

The king of lying signs to wonder after as if true prophecy he is not subject to the gospel understanding Its all one big guessing murderous game to him. if, if, . . . .if you are you the Son of God turn dead stones into the bread of life .Satan the ambivert ,if ,if ,if has no clue to the invisible things of Christ's. (Faith) or called labor of His love

New Testament "scripture" to reject the Old. It is not the biblical kind of parable in mind. But in another kind of comparison. Like Proverbs meaning parable. a moral comparison or parable. Not historical from the beginning Genises Or Song of Songs another kind of parable of Chrsit labor of love

A parable as prophecy compares the things seen the temporal historical to the unseen eternal.

A labor of Christ's love or called a work of his powerful faith ("Let here be" the good,. . . . . . . "testimony kind"

The temporal historical dying must be mixed with the unseen eternal faith according to the recipe (2 Corinthians 4:18) if not it remains a gospel mystery no gospel rests. . no interpretation

 

[Leumas]

In the scriptures it's written in 2 Chronicles 1: 7 In that night did God appear unto Solomon, and said unto him, Ask what I shall give thee. 8 And Solomon said unto God, Thou hast shewed great mercy unto David my father, and hast made me to reign in his stead. 9 Now, O LORD God, let thy promise unto David my father be established: for thou hast made me king over a people like the dust of the earth in multitude. 10 Give me now wisdom and knowledge, that I may go out and come in before this people: for who can judge this thy people, that is so great? 11 And God said to Solomon, Because this was in thine heart, and thou hast not asked riches, wealth, or honour, nor the life of thine enemies, neither yet hast asked long life; but hast asked wisdom and knowledge for thyself, that thou mayest judge my people, over whom I have made thee king: 12 wisdom and knowledge is granted unto thee; and I will give thee riches, and wealth, and honour, such as none of the kings have had that have been before thee, neither shall there any after thee have the like.
Let's take a look at why we care to hear Solomon in 1 Kings 4: 29 And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that is on the sea shore. 30And Solomon's wisdom excelled the wisdom of all the children of the east country, and all the wisdom of Egypt. 31 For he was wiser than all men; than Ethan the Ezrahite, and Heman, and Chalcol, and Darda, the sons of Mahol: and his fame was in all nations round about.
32 And he spake three thousand proverbs: and his songs were a thousand and five. 34 And there came of all people to hear the wisdom of Solomon, from all kings of the earth, which had heard of his wisdom.

What happened to Solomon
In his wisdom? Please tell us?

 

[Garee]

IDK where you got that. God has even said in some form "We are all one race." and we are.
Stupid humans have decided that "different skin color" equals an entirely different race of people.

A person can become Jewish but not a genetic Jew. A genetic Jew can abandon being Jewish and become whatever he/she wants.
I'm not a Jew, thank God for that every day.

In the end there isn't going to be "Jews and Christians". If you knew the truth about Jews and what they think of non-Jews you would never take up for them.

Thank God for what kind of Jew?

Scripture defines scripture

Two kinds of Jews as usual Satan would make it all in the same no spiritual understanding. blinded by the gospel

#1Jew born again (life)

#2Jew dying flesh and blood (dead)

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter;(Death) whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Thats not was what I was trying to say I said outward jJews used in parables as metaphors are his chosen people not his Jewish chosen race.

God is not a racist racism is the sin of judging a person outwardly character assassination punishable by death the letter of the law

Satan the kings of lying signs to wonder as if true prophecy the god of wondering and not truth the king of Racim

Ten commandments back in the classroom not just the white house they are not the arbitrators of sin the ten commandments

Paul explained this in; (Hebrews 10: (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (20) by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) and having an high priest over the house of God; (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).

Which laws that went with the priesthood controlling the sinning? ceremonial carnal ?

 

[BroTan]

Thank God for what kind of Jew?

Scripture defines scripture

Two kinds of Jews as usual Satan would make it all in the same no spiritual understanding. blinded by the gospel

#1Jew born again (life)

#2Jew dying flesh and blood (dead)

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter;(Death) whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Thats not was what I was trying to say I said outward jJews used in parables as metaphors are his chosen people not his Jewish chosen race.

God is not a racist racism is the sin of judging a person outwardly character assassination punishable by death the letter of the law

Satan the kings of lying signs to wonder as if true prophecy the god of wondering and not truth the king of Racim

Ten commandments back in the classroom not just the white house they are not the arbitrators of sin the ten commandments


Which laws that went with the priesthood controlling the sinning? ceremonial carnal ?

We will see there were two laws given to Moses, they were the commandments and the sacrificial law. Watch how they worked together.

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: (Leviticus 4:1-2) The law in the scriptures above is the commandments.

Notice something else very important in these two scriptures. It states, "if a soul shall sin through ignorance." Notice that the scripture did not says on purpose. Why? There is no sacrifice for a sin that is committed willfully. Let's find out what was to be done if a person committed a sin against the Lord unintentionally. Let's skip down to the 27th verse and take a look at the second law (which is the sacrificial law).

And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. (Leviticus 4:27-30)

When the common people sinned through ignorance and it came to their knowledge, what did they have to do? They brought an offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for their sin which they had committed, then the priest would offer the animal to the Lord. Think about this for a moment. If an animal was killed for a person that committed sin, what will happen to us today if we a trespass against the Lord?

Let's go into Paul's writings and take another look at both of these laws. We will go into the Book of Galatians chapter 3. This is one of the chapters that the majority of Christian preachers use to do away with the Lord's commandments. Now, let's read carefully!

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. (Galatians 3:19)

Take heed to what Paul's says above, "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions." What is transgression? Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4) Transgression is braking of the commandments. What law was added because of the braking of the law? The sacrificial law! Paul is simply asking these Gentiles, "why perform the sacrificial law? It was added because of sin until the seed should come.

Hope this help

 

[BroTan]

What happened to Solomon
In his wisdom? Please tell us?

I truly believe you can look this up on your own out of the Bible (KJV), peace in Jesus name.

 

[Garee]

We will see there were two laws given to Moses, they were the commandments and the sacrificial law. Watch how they worked together.

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: (Leviticus 4:1-2) The law in the scriptures above is the commandments.

Notice something else very important in these two scriptures. It states, "if a soul shall sin through ignorance." Notice that the scripture did not says on purpose. Why? There is no sacrifice for a sin that is committed willfully. Let's find out what was to be done if a person committed a sin against the Lord unintentionally. Let's skip down to the 27th verse and take a look at the second law (which is the sacrificial law).

And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. (Leviticus 4:27-30)

When the common people sinned through ignorance and it came to their knowledge, what did they have to do? They brought an offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for their sin which they had committed, then the priest would offer the animal to the Lord. Think about this for a moment. If an animal was killed for a person that committed sin, what will happen to us today if we a trespass against the Lord?

Let's go into Paul's writings and take another look at both of these laws. We will go into the Book of Galatians chapter 3. This is one of the chapters that the majority of Christian preachers use to do away with the Lord's commandments. Now, let's read carefully!

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. (Galatians 3:19)

Take heed to what Paul's says above, "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions." What is transgression? Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4) Transgression is braking of the commandments. What law was added because of the braking of the law? The sacrificial law! Paul is simply asking these Gentiles, "why perform the sacrificial law? It was added because of sin until the seed should come.

Hope this help

Thanks, it does help to have a better understanding how I think you perceive the gospel.

There are two kinds of laws working together as one perfect law . One, the eternal invisible law made visible through two the temporal historical.

Called ceremonial(shadow of the real ) therefore the signified or sign language of parables which without Christ the husband spoke not.

2 Corinthians 4 below can be used as a guide (but if our gospel be hidden, it is hid to them that are lost The hidden things of the law

2 Corinthians 4:1-3Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

The recipe or mixing formula needed to rightly divide/interpret the parables the signified prophecy follows in verse 18

2 Corinthians 4:18;While we look not at the things which are seen,(historical) but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal;(historical) but the things which are not seen are eternal.

It can be seen being defiled in action

In the beginning of the Aaronic priesthood of believers that hold out the gospel as it is written. The first day for Aarons two sons were to give a demonstration to the unbelieving world Having been baptized by the Holy Spirit using water as a shadow. The two rebels wanted to make it al about their Jewish flesh. In rebellion added to the word of God what was called strange fire used as judgement .It consumed them but not a hint of smoke on the ceremonial attire.

God, desires we worship his unseen Holy Spirit, Chrit. not a shadow of Christ.

 

[Leumas]

I truly believe you can look this up on your own out of the Bible (KJV), peace in Jesus name.

You get the point

 

[KingJ]

The reason why you
can't figure out
Why I say the things
that I say
Is because it far exceeds
The limitations of your wisdom
and understanding of your carnal
and spiritual knowledge.

We have a case of extreme irony here. The wise know to be humble.

Rom 12:3 For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you.

Prov 11:12 When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with the humble is wisdom.

Col 3:12 Put on then, as God's chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,

Eph 4:2 With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love.

Rom 12:16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight.

 

[BroTan]

Thanks, it does help to have a better understanding how I think you perceive the gospel.

There are two kinds of laws working together as one perfect law . One, the eternal invisible law made visible through two the temporal historical.

Called ceremonial(shadow of the real ) therefore the signified or sign language of parables which without Christ the husband spoke not.

2 Corinthians 4 below can be used as a guide (but if our gospel be hidden, it is hid to them that are lost The hidden things of the law

2 Corinthians 4:1-3Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

The recipe or mixing formula needed to rightly divide/interpret the parables the signified prophecy follows in verse 18

2 Corinthians 4:18;While we look not at the things which are seen,(historical) but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal;(historical) but the things which are not seen are eternal.

It can be seen being defiled in action

In the beginning of the Aaronic priesthood of believers that hold out the gospel as it is written. The first day for Aarons two sons were to give a demonstration to the unbelieving world Having been baptized by the Holy Spirit using water as a shadow. The two rebels wanted to make it al about their Jewish flesh. In rebellion added to the word of God what was called strange fire used as judgement .It consumed them but not a hint of smoke on the ceremonial attire.

God, desires we worship his unseen Holy Spirit, Chrit. not a shadow of Christ.

Allow me to expound a little more. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ. (Galatians 3:16) Who is the SEED? CHRIST! So, this law was added (which is the sacrificial law) until Christ came. What was the sacrificial law used for until Christ came? Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24)

The sacrificial law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. Before we continue, we must clear one thing up. Are we justified by faith alone? Let's see. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. (Romans 3:31) What law is established? Certainly not the sacrificial law, we have seen above that it was added because of transgression until the Seed came (which was Christ). The Royal law to be established forever which are the Ten Lords commandments!

Now, let's back up in this chapter to the third verses and point out the two sets of laws. Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? (Galatians 3:3) The spirit in this case is the word of God, but pay close attention to what Paul says at the end of the verse. "Are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" Can we be made perfect by the flesh? What flesh is Paul talking about? Let's go to the book of Hebrews and find out.

For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)

The flesh Paul spoke of was the animal sacrifices. Notice what the verse says, "never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect." That's pretty clear don't you think? Let's go back to Galatians chapter 3 and take note how Paul uses the word "law" but does not say this is the sacrificial law or the Commandments. But as we read further in the chapter we will see the difference between the two.

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. (Galatians 3:10)

We have both Laws with in this verse. In the first part of the verse where it states, "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse:" This law is the sacrificial law, let's skip to the 13th verse and we will see this clearly. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: (Galatians 3:13)

Notice what's being said, "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us." How was he made a curse for us? He took on our sins and redeemed us from the curse of the sacrificial law which could never take away sin. Now take a look at the next set of verses and we will see indeed that only the sacrificial law was nailed to the cross.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; (Colossians 2:13-14)

Notice this, "He quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. Why was this law (which is the sacrificial law) contrary to us?

Notice this in Hebrews the 10th chapter; For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. (Hebrews 10:4) For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. That is why it was contrary to us. The sacrificial law simply could not make us perfect.

 

[Bill]

We will see there were two laws given to Moses, they were the commandments and the sacrificial law. Watch how they worked together.

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: (Leviticus 4:1-2) The law in the scriptures above is the commandments.

Notice something else very important in these two scriptures. It states, "if a soul shall sin through ignorance." Notice that the scripture did not says on purpose. Why? There is no sacrifice for a sin that is committed willfully. Let's find out what was to be done if a person committed a sin against the Lord unintentionally. Let's skip down to the 27th verse and take a look at the second law (which is the sacrificial law).

And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. (Leviticus 4:27-30)

When the common people sinned through ignorance and it came to their knowledge, what did they have to do? They brought an offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for their sin which they had committed, then the priest would offer the animal to the Lord. Think about this for a moment. If an animal was killed for a person that committed sin, what will happen to us today if we a trespass against the Lord?

Let's go into Paul's writings and take another look at both of these laws. We will go into the Book of Galatians chapter 3. This is one of the chapters that the majority of Christian preachers use to do away with the Lord's commandments. Now, let's read carefully!

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. (Galatians 3:19)

Take heed to what Paul's says above, "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions." What is transgression? Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4) Transgression is braking of the commandments. What law was added because of the braking of the law? The sacrificial law! Paul is simply asking these Gentiles, "why perform the sacrificial law? It was added because of sin until the seed should come.

Hope this help

It is Well written Bro Tan. There is more written there than I think you even noticed - it allows an understanding of Purgatory from a spiritual perspective

 

[Garee]

Allow me to expound a little more. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ. (Galatians 3:16) Who is the SEED? CHRIST! So, this law was added (which is the sacrificial law) until Christ came. What was the sacrificial law used for until Christ came? Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (Galatians 3:24)

What you refer to as sacrificial is ceremonial, a shadow with no substance it stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Remember without parable the signified language of prophecy Christ spoke not. The time of reformation had come

Hebrews 9:8The Holy Ghost this signifying (parable), that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure(parable ) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

ow, let's back up in this chapter to the third verses and point out the two sets of laws. Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? (Galatians 3:3) The spirit in this case is the word of God, but pay close attention to what Paul says at the end of the verse. "Are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" Can we be made perfect by the flesh? What flesh is Paul talking about? Let's go to the book of Hebrews and find out.

No, we cannot be made perfect by the works of the dying flesh The flesh the temporal dying is made perfect by the unseen eternal Spirit of Christ the seed

Notice this, "He quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. Why was this law (which is the sacrificial law) contrary to us?

The ceremonial law or shadow is a sign to the world (not a sign unto themselves). Like that of Aarons two sons that added to sola scriptura and were consumed by fire

Ceremonial law are parables Without parable Christ spoke not

No Purgatory or Limbo (wonder, wonder, wonderland) there is no need for a believer to wonder after lying signs as if they were true prophecy. new prophecy ended 2000 years ago.

Why wonder in limbo or purgatory after ceremonial laws when we have the true prophecy?


2 Thessalonians 2:9;Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,(wonders as if true prophecy)

 

[Garee]

It is Well written Bro Tan. There is more written there than I think you even noticed - it allows an understanding of Purgatory from a spiritual perspective

Wondering from a spiritual perspective?

How long must one wonder in limbo or purgatory?

The Holy Spirit in 1 Peter informs sons of God they receive the end of salvation born again faith from the beginning. No purgatory for the mature sinner or limbo for the younger or infant sinners

Christ through parables (ceremonial laws) as shadows testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow

1 Peter 1:9;Receiving the end of your (born again) faith, even the salvation of your souls.Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow

 

[BroTan]

What you refer to as sacrificial is ceremonial, a shadow with no substance it stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Remember without parable the signified language of prophecy Christ spoke not. The time of reformation had come

Hebrews 9:8The Holy Ghost this signifying (parable), that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure(parable ) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.


No, we cannot be made perfect by the works of the dying flesh The flesh the temporal dying is made perfect by the unseen eternal Spirit of Christ the seed


The ceremonial law or shadow is a sign to the world (not a sign unto themselves). Like that of Aarons two sons that added to sola scriptura and were consumed by fire

Ceremonial law are parables Without parable Christ spoke not

No Purgatory or Limbo (wonder, wonder, wonderland) there is no need for a believer to wonder after lying signs as if they were true prophecy. new prophecy ended 2000 years ago.

Why wonder in limbo or purgatory after ceremonial laws when we have the true prophecy?


2 Thessalonians 2:9;Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,(wonders as if true prophecy)

I don't think you are understanding, so I'll try pretty much the whole chapter of (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about?

Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

To sum up what going on here in Galatians, Paul is explaining that Christ came from Abraham seed, and remove the animal Sacrificial law. But in the days of Abraham that animal Sacrificial law never was on the table, and was not needed for Abraham to obey and have faith in God. But the Commandments was always on the table.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. (Paul breaks down more of this law in Hebrew 10th Chapter)

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

 

[BroTan]

It is Well written Bro Tan. There is more written there than I think you even noticed - it allows an understanding of Purgatory from a spiritual perspective

I'm not sure I understand the purgatory part, explain please.

 

[Curtis]

Did Jesus keep the law of God perfectly? Absolutely yes! Did Jesus have flesh? Yes, he did. So there was one person who had flesh who kept the law perfectly.

Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Gal_2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Did Jesus keep the law of God by His faith? He did. How do I know this because whatever is not OF FAITH is sin!

How can a born-again believer keep the law? By using the same faith Jesus had, which is now our faith, given to us. We are now living by the faith OF the Son of God.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
Rom 8:4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

God (Jesus) did for us (man) what we could not do for ourselves by keeping the law and then giving to man the blessings that come as a result.

 

[Garee]

I don't think you are understanding, so I'll try pretty much the whole chapter of (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about?

Let the bible speak for itself.

Hi Thanks

I would offer. .CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE it is part of the three days and night promised demonstration of the work of the lamb slain from the foundation. The six days the Holy Father did work.

Again, demonstration not actual work that has been finished.

Three different demonstrations, three purposes working as one gospel. Three days and nights just like the parable of Jonas .Jonas belly of whale suffering unto death not dead. coming alongside as a parable using the metaphor heart of earth

The beginning or opening of the prophesied demonstration, The bruising of the heel crushing the head of the serpent (Genesis 3:15 with Isaiah 53) the Holy Father bruising the heel of the Son strengthening the Son to finish the work of the Holy Father.

Three times in the garden of Gethsemane with three denoting the end of a matter in parables. Three times in his agony Jesus looked for support from the other apostles, three times the Holy Father put them to sleep in order to fulfill the prophecy of two working as one. The Father and Son team .I call the dynamic dual

When finished with part one Garden they moved to the hill Skull demonstration (second) the bloody demonstration of Christ called bloody husband because of circumcision.

This time a sign to the unbelieving nations of the world. Giving the idea that the Satan inspired crown did the work of salvation as if they struck the heel of the Son of man.

Then three the last demonstration of faith the unseen work of the two. The Father removing the grave clothes and rolled back the stone. Unlike four days with Lazarus when Christ had the disciples remove the grave clothes and roll back the stone. The first three-day demonstration a picture of born-again salvation. The second demonstration Lazarus . .Christian fellowship introducing a new born again believer the stnky job removing grave clothes clothing him with Christ.

The bloody husband demonstration the more popular than the garden (no blood) all Spiritual (faith) unseen. God is not a man

 

[Bill]

I'm not sure I understand the purgatory part, explain please.

When a person accepts Jesus as Lord and savior the forgiveness of the sins is up to that point everything that you've done in your past the percent of Adam everything up to that point is Forgiven now it's up to us to continue to strive as Paul States just drive to be holy before God. Jesus tells us be holy as I am Holy. He's not saying that you're going to remain holy as I am Holy but it will you need to try to be holy as he is holy. The once they've always saved crowd feels that once you accept Jesus as your lord and savior you can do no wrong and that's a false statement right there. The fact is that you can do wrong and you can do some severe things wrong. It doesn't stop you from being a member of the flock and God's going to go way out of his way to help you but you can go to the point of rejecting God just like Judas did.

Understand that Judas Iscariot was one of those that was sent out in twos to go to the town and to preach and to remove demons from people and to heal people Jesus gave them the authority to do these things. And when they came back to Jesus they were ecstatic about all of the crazy things they had been doing. Jesus told them not to rejoice about all the things that they were doing but to Rejoice that their names were written in heaven.

This includes Judas Iscariot, his name was written in heaven Jesus said it himself. But he threw it away because he thought he had a better way to bring Jesus into the light of the Pharisees. He thought he could manipulate everything bringing Jesus to his crown as king of the Jews. And he betrayed Jesus in doing so.

Now remember Peter and Judas both rejected Jesus. But the difference between the two is what we need to pay attention too, where Peter repented from what he did, weeping bitterly. Where Judas hung himself. This is the difference between taking it upon yourself versus bringing it to God seeking his forgiveness of your sins.

So even though a person receives Jesus as Lord they still have to strive for the glory of Heaven and to be with the Father.

Now God knows us, he understands us and our failings. And even though we strive we still sin doesn't stop us from saying knowing God, knowing who Jesus is. We just have to keep reaching out to Jesus daily if we can seeking his forgiveness from our stupidity.

Purgatory is God's grace to us. Because you have to be perfect going into heaven, there is no sin in heaven. Think of it like being ritually pure. You have to be ritually pure to be in heaven.

 

[Rhema]

it's up to us to continue to strive as Paul States just drive to be holy before God.

So your continued striving, then, is for the purpose of your own salvation, yes?

How is that not selfish?

And can anything that is selfish count as merit toward salvation?

 

[Bill]

So your continued striving, then, is for the purpose of your own salvation, yes?

How is that not selfish?

And can anything that is selfish count as merit toward salvation?

I don't strive for myself, my life I give to the world. But you do not understand that

Jesus tells us to be like him