Two main points:
- All sin is of equal merit in separation from God.
- Not equal in severity of judgment by God.
Two main points:
As best as I can, I try to deal with my most common sins. Anger is still a large problem for me. I would rather be judged for Anger and the fact I did better than being a rapist, abuser, murderer, etc.
- All sin is of equal merit in separation from God.
- Not equal in severity of judgment by God.
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People have misunderstood it's use and how different languages use of it do not denote a different place.
The Bible was written in 3 languages: Hebrew (1), Aramaic (2), and Greek (3).
Jesus spoke 1 and 2 and likely by the time Greek was being used the teachers and priests/pastors had to learn Greek OR translate it into what they knew.
Hebrew: sheowl - Abode of the dead. Abode has at least 32 synonyms.
Greek: Hades.
Two names for the same place not "different sections of it or another part" or "a different Hell entirely".
Hel - Norse. Same place.
No human has ever experienced it and lived to describe it. No one gets a trial period in either place.
The English language came from 3 different ones I believe and evolved over time to what we have now. Hel = Hell.
Not sure how long English has been a major and standard language for how long and where but it and the popularity of the Bible gave rise to various English (Old and Modern) languages.
Regardless of each word for it they all denote the same place.
I know there is one such website which translates the Greek to English very well and read from R to L unlike how we read in America. You can click on any word, Hebrew, English, or Greek and get a definition.
There are far more people who care about making sure people get the accurate reading of the Bible than those who seek to corrupt it.
Actually, sometimes hell in English has been derived from Gehenna which is known as a refuse dump outside of the city of Jerusalem.@complete
People have misunderstood it's use and how different languages use of it do not denote a different place.
The Bible was written in 3 languages: Hebrew (1), Aramaic (2), and Greek (3).
Jesus spoke 1 and 2 and likely by the time Greek was being used the teachers and priests/pastors had to learn Greek OR translate it into what they knew.
Hebrew: sheowl - Abode of the dead. Abode has at least 32 synonyms.
Greek: Hades.
Two names for the same place not "different sections of it or another part" or "a different Hell entirely".
Hel - Norse. Same place.
No human has ever experienced it and lived to describe it. No one gets a trial period in either place.
The English language came from 3 different ones I believe and evolved over time to what we have now. Hel = Hell.
Not sure how long English has been a major and standard language for how long and where but it and the popularity of the Bible gave rise to various English (Old and Modern) languages.
Regardless of each word for it they all denote the same place.
I know there is one such website which translates the Greek to English very well and read from R to L unlike how we read in America. You can click on any word, Hebrew, English, or Greek and get a definition.
There are far more people who care about making sure people get the accurate reading of the Bible than those who seek to corrupt it.
Hello @GodB4Us,Actually, sometimes hell in English has been derived from Gehenna which is known as a refuse dump outside of the city of Jerusalem.
But the Lord used Gehenna for a different meaning as for the valley of slaughter or a place of slaughter where the dead are left unburied.
Jeremiah 7:32-33
'Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
that it shall no more be called Tophet, nor the valley of the son of Hinnom,
but the valley of slaughter: for they shall bury in Tophet, till there be no place.
And the carcases of this people shall be meat for the fowls of the heaven,
and for the beasts of the earth; and none shall fray them away.'
GodB4Us, you think and express yourself very differently to myself, but at this moment I could hug you. For having read through your post, you come across as a lovely Brother in Christ. I feel the need to consider what you have said more closely and to respond to it in more detail, but if I do so it will derail this thread, but please know that I have learned from you this day. Praise God! - Be encouraged in heart, brother.In some verses where the consequence of "hell" is towards saved believers is to be cut off and sent to hell which is Gehenna a place of slaughter on earth and not the after life thus alluding to the castaways at the rapture event.
Matthew 5:21-22
'Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:
and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council:
but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.' KJV
Some versions leave out being angry with our brother "without cause". I know the NASB did for why I had thought it was wrong for me to be angry at all
but we are allowed to be angry with cause but do not sin.
Ephesians 4:25-27
'Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: Neither give place to the devil.
Anyway, this is a warning to saved believers and one of the ways we are to be ready before He comes and that is to forgive others as He has forgiven us or else we will not be sitting at the Marriage Supper table in Heaven.
Matthew 7:9-15
'After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
'Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil:
For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.'
Since Christ set the example for us on the cross to forgive those who do not ask for forgiveness so that in the eventuality that they should be saved or have repented and are at the Marriage Supper in Heaven, we have forgiven them as He has forgiven them and us.
Luke 23:33-35
'And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary,
there they crucified Him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided Him, saying,
He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.'
1 Peter 2:19-25
For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently?
but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.'
Matthew 5:38-48
' Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you,
and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:
for He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
I admit that I need the Lord's help to forgive my enemies and cast down thoughts of vengeance, but He is helping me and will continue to help me to do this in leaving vengeance to the Lord.
Romans 12:17-21
Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath:
for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink:
for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
Luke 18:7-8
And shall not God avenge His own elect,
which cry day and night unto Him, though He bear long with them?
I tell you that He will avenge them speedily.
Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall He find faith on the earth?
I am at the point that I can do no good towards my enemies and so I just lean on Him in waiting for the Lord to deliver me from this life and I pray it is soon, but I have His peace and He keeps me from being angry so that I will not give place to the devil. I expect to be a victim of identity theft and although I shall see if He will lead me to take any measures to prevent it, He will help me face the loss, but I will not be beholden to the debt. Let the enemy destroy the rest of my life as He is helping me set my heart on the treasures above where no thief nor rust nor moth can mess with.
Hi @GodB4Us,Actually, sometimes hell in English has been derived from Gehenna which is known as a refuse dump outside of the city of Jerusalem.
But the Lord used Gehenna for a different meaning as for the valley of slaughter or a place of slaughter where the dead are left unburied.
Jeremiah 7:32 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that it shall no more be called Tophet, nor the valley of the son of Hinnom, but the valley of slaughter: for they shall bury in Tophet, till there be no place.
33 And the carcases of this people shall be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth; and none shall fray them away.
In some verses where the consequence of "hell" is towards saved believers is to be cut off and sent to hell which is Gehenna a place of slaughter on earth and not the afterlife thus alluding to the castaways at the rapture event.
Matthew 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. KJV
Some versions leave out being angry with our brother "without cause". I know the NASB did for why I had thought it was wrong for me to be angry at all but we are allowed to be angry with cause but do not sin.
Ephesians 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27 Neither give place to the devil.
Anyway, this is a warning to saved believers and one of the ways we are to be ready before He comes and that is to forgive others as He has forgiven us or else we will not be sitting at the Marriage Supper table in Heaven.
Matthew 7:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Since Christ set the example for us on the cross to forgive those who do not ask for forgiveness so that in the eventuality that they should be saved or have repented and are at the Marriage Supper in Heaven, we have forgiven them as He has forgiven them and us.
Luke 23:33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.
34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.
1 Peter 2:19 For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
Matthew 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
I admit that I need the Lord's help to forgive my enemies and cast down thoughts of vengeance, but He is helping me and will continue to help me to do this in leaving vengeance to the Lord.
Romans 12:17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
Luke 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
I am at the point that I can do no good towards my enemies and so I just lean on Him in waiting for the Lord to deliver me from this life and I pray it is soon, but I have His peace and He keeps me from being angry so that I will not give place to the devil. I expect to be a victim of identity theft and although I shall see if He will lead me to take any measures to prevent it, He will help me face the loss, but I will not be beholden to the debt. Let the enemy destroy the rest of my life as He is helping me set my heart on the treasures above where no thief nor rust nor moth can mess with.
When we know that no man can come to the Son unless the Father draws him [er John 6:44 as it is the Father that hides the truth from the prudent and the wise but reveal His Son unto the babes, Matthew 11:25-27 then He may help us to see that our believing in Jesus Christ is a manifested work of God per John 3:18-21
Two main points:
As best as I can, I try to deal with my most common sins. Anger is still a large problem for me. I would rather be judged for Anger and the fact I did better than being a rapist, abuser, murderer, etc.
- All sin is of equal merit in separation from God.
- Not equal in severity of judgment by God.
I am glad to see the Lord is ministering even through the likes of me as I give Him the credit and glory for any increase He has done.Hello @GodB4Us,
Thank you for quoting this verse. Yes, it is only the Lord Jesus Christ Himself who uses the word 'Gehenna' as recorded in Scripture.
GodB4Us, you think and express yourself very differently to myself, but at this moment I could hug you. For having read through your post, you come across as a lovely Brother in Christ. I feel the need to consider what you have said more closely and to respond to it in more detail, but if I do so it will derail this thread, but please know that I have learned from you this day. Praise God! - Be encouraged in heart, brother.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Thank you for sharing as well.Hi @GodB4Us,
Thank you for sharing.
I was a victim of identity theft, where someone used by name and address. I proved it wasn't me and it didn't get the person doing it into trouble either. The way it was resolved. Probably a minor thing as not a great deal of money and the company just wanted money. They ignored the whole situation in the end.
I've been the scapegoat as well of a situation, and justice cannot be done until Jesus is with us face to face. I don't want any vengeance or anything like that. I did before but not now.
I can see you are walking closely with God and I pray He helps you .
God Bless you brother. Take Care.
Hello @GodB4Us,When we know that no man can come to the Son unless the Father draws him [er John 6:44 as it is the Father that hides the truth from the prudent and the wise but reveal His Son unto the babes, Matthew 11:25-27 then He may help us to see that our believing in Jesus Christ is a manifested work of God per John 3:18-21
Then we have this promise which comes after this warning about sharing the gospel to those that do not want to hear it and thus are not seeking Him.
Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Even though this is an instructions to His disciples above, here is an example set by the Lord in ministry below.
Acts 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,
7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not.
8 And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas.
9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.
It is said that the Father literally drags us unto the Son because our sinful nature repels us from the Son and so the Father can foresee whom will receive Him from those that prefer not to, thus why it is written that all those that seek, shall find because their seeking Him is also a manifested work of the Father.
So the truth I see in scripture is that no one will be in hell that would have believed in Him if they had heard the gospel.
Muslims live in a very strict and isolated community of believers and it is hard for evangelists to reach them but reports are that Muslims are converting to Christianity because they are receiving visions from the Lord for why they are believing in Him to be saved. When you look at Paul as Saul, on the road to Damascus, seeking to persecute Christians and even killing them as he had done to Stephen, you would doubt he was ever seeking God in what he was doing and yet God the Father revealed His Son to him to question his service to God, repent and finally believed in Him to be saved and to serve Him in another way in a ministry of reconciliation.
1 Timothy 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
So I do not believe there will ever be any one in hell that would have believed in Him if they had heard the gospel as all those that would have sought Him, can only be seeking Him when the Father is drawing them unto the Son.
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