Repentance ( Must a person forsake his sins before he can come to Christ? )

[B-A-C]

Thats wrong, God saves unbelievers then they believe. You cant believe until you are saved.

Jas 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

Luke 8:13; "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.

 

[GodB4Us]

Greetings,

in all honesty, this verse in the context in which we have it, recalling Scripture, is to help 'explain' about grace and faith; God's riches at Christs expense, as the Apostle was writing about the law declaring all dead in sin and having no remedy by the law; therefore by faith, we are saved, not of ourselves, it is a gift of God. (may i encourage you to read at least Romans 3? - although it is an easy book to read through all and better to grasp the message if we do)

however, yes, the unregenerate man does not seek God.


Bless you ....><>

@Brightfame52

Although that verse is true that none seeks after God, it goes to show why the Father has to draw us unto the Son.

This is how sinners can seek Him unless the Father draws them unto the Son John 6:44 to reveal His Son to them Matthew 11:25-27 so they can believe and be saved,

Here we see that God the Father knows who is seeking Him from those that are not. He can foresee who will receive Him from those that prefer their evil deeds rather than to believe in him to be saved. John 3:18-21

This is why He promised that all those that seek, shall find.

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

We see the Lord following His own words in this account in the Book of Acts.

Acts 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,
7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not.
8 And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas.
9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.

So the unregenerate can seek Him as only the Father knows whom is seeking Him from those that are not, but they can only find Him when the Father draws them unto the Son to believe in Him to be saved..

 

[GodB4Us]

Jas 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

James was rebuking a church that was applying faith in God to provide being shared with the departing poor to get out of helping the poor after church service. James was never talking about the faith in Jesus Christ for salvation which is without works.

Luke 8:13; "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.

But they had received the seed, Christ, but are unfruitful as His disciples because they did not ground themselves in His words to face the storms in life with His help.

 

[Curtis]

Rom 10:13 For “Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved.”

Rom 10:14 But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them?

Believing comes before saving.

 

[God's Truth]

Thats wrong, God saves unbelievers then they believe. You cant believe until you are saved.

God does not save unbelievers.

 

[God's Truth]

Rom 10:13 For “Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved.”

People called on the name of the Lord after they confessed and repented of their sins.

Rom 10:14 But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them?

Believing comes before saving.

They have to believe and obey. Faith alone is dead and can't save anyone.

 

[Curtis]

People called on the name of the Lord after they confessed and repented of their sins.

Rom 10:14 But how can people call on him for help if they’ve not yet believed? And how can they believe in one they’ve not yet heard of? And how can they hear the message of life if there is no one there to proclaim it? (TPT)

Rom 10:14 But how are people to call upon Him Whom they have not believed [in Whom they have no faith, on Whom they have no reliance]? And how are they to believe in Him [adhere to, trust in, and rely upon Him] of Whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without a preacher? (AMP)

How can a person confess their sins if they don't yet believe (have faith) they are a sinner?

 

[Brightfame52]

Jas 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

Luke 8:13; "Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.

Okay, You know how to quote scripture.

 

[Brightfame52]

You were taught wrong about that scripture.

Did you know that Paul was quoting Old Testament scriptures?

What is King David saying where Paul quotes?


Listen carefully; Paul is quoting king David who at that time in which David speaks, the people are in a bad condition inside Israel. When the day spoken of arrived, the day where king David says what he says---no one searched for God.

However, If no one ever searched for God, ever, then how was it that the Israelites called out to God to help them when they thought God had forgotten them while they were slaves in Egypt?


Exodus 3:9 And now the cry of the Israelites has reached me, and I have seen the way the Egyptians are oppressing them.

Deuteronomy 26:7 Then we cried out to the LORD, the God of our ancestors, and the LORD heard our voice and saw our misery, toil and oppression.

If no one ever searched for God, then why do the scriptures say people did in the New Testament, when Jesus arrived, people shouted: “Son of David, have mercy on me”. They were looking for the Messiah. In the New Testament a blind man was searching for the Son of God, the prophet’s had said would come. I just showed you that people do search for God.

Again, Paul was explaining that the Jews were sinners like the Gentiles, even though the Jews were supposed to be God’s Holy people. The Jews were God's people and now Gentiles were getting to be included in the New COVENANT. Paul explains that God's people the Jews sinned not unlike the many Gentiles, but now ALL CAN BE SAVED through Jesus and the New Covenant.

God doesnt teach wrong friend Jn 6:45

45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

 

[Brightfame52]

God saves BELIEVERS who REPENT of their SINS.

 

[Brightfame52]

@Brightfame52

Although that verse is true that none seeks after God, it goes to show why the Father has to draw us unto the Son.

This is how sinners can seek Him unless the Father draws them unto the Son John 6:44 to reveal His Son to them Matthew 11:25-27 so they can believe and be saved,

Here we see that God the Father knows who is seeking Him from those that are not. He can foresee who will receive Him from those that prefer their evil deeds rather than to believe in him to be saved. John 3:18-21

This is why He promised that all those that seek, shall find.

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend y
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

We see the Lord following His own words in this account in the Book of Acts.

Acts 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,
7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not.
8 And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas.
9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.
10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.

So the unregenerate can seek Him as only the Father knows whom is seeking Him from those that are not, but they can only find Him when the Father draws them unto the Son to believe in Him to be saved.

God saves BELIEVERS who REPENT of their SINS.

One has to be saved in order to repent.

 

[Brightfame52]

God does not save unbelievers.

Yes Jesus saves unbelievers. You deny Jesus died for unbelief !

 

[GodB4Us]

Rom 10:13 For “Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved.”

Rom 10:14 But how can they call on him to save them unless they believe in him? And how can they believe in him if they have never heard about him? And how can they hear about him unless someone tells them?

Believing comes before saving.

It certainly doesn't acknowledge the repenting of sins on our part before we can be saved as if that is how we are saved. Only repenting from unbelief by believing in Him is how the remission of sins occurs for us to get the Holy Ghost.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

With Jesus Christ in us, now we can live as the sons of God living a life of repentance by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay side every weight & sin daily in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.

 

[GodB4Us]

One has to be saved in order to repent.

With Jesus Christ in us, now we can live as the sons of God living a life of repentance by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay side every weight & sin daily in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

It certainly doesn't acknowledge the repenting of sins on our part before we can be saved as if that is how we are saved. Only repenting from unbelief by believing in Him is how the remission of sins occurs for us to get the Holy Ghost

 

[Brightfame52]

With Jesus Christ in us, now we can live as the sons of God living a life of repentance by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay side every weight & sin daily in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

It certainly doesn't acknowledge the repenting of sins on our part before we can be saved as if that is how we are saved. Only repenting from unbelief by believing in Him is how the remission of sins occurs for us to get the Holy Ghost

Do you understand that we must be saved prior to repentance ? Christ when He saves us gives us repentance Acts 5:31

1 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

See that ? A Saviour to give repentance !

 

[GodB4Us]

Do you understand that we must be saved prior to repentance ? Christ when He saves us gives us repentance Acts 5:31

1 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

See that ? A Saviour to give repentance !

Yes. I understand this. I am glad that you are speaking the same as I am about how we are saved by believing in Him and how we can follow Him by faith in Jesus Christ in helping us live a life of repentance after salvation. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Curtis]

I think something is missing when it comes to faith, repentance, and salvation. No one is saved by faith or repentance because scripture says........

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Grace is God giving you something you do not deserve. Mercy is God not giving you what you do deserve.

There are no works connected to grace because it is a gift. How can a person gain access to grace by which a man is saved without works?

Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Faith is the key that gives "access" to grace by which a man is saved.

 

[Brightfame52]

Yes. I understand this. I am glad that you are speaking the same as I am about how we are saved by believing in Him and how we can follow Him by faith in Jesus Christ in helping us live a life of repentance after salvation. Thanks for sharing.

You and i not saying the same thing friend.

 

[Brightfame52]

I think something is missing when it comes to faith, repentance, and salvation. No one is saved by faith or repentance because scripture says........

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Grace is God giving you something you do not deserve. Mercy is God not giving you what you do deserve.

There are no works connected to grace because it is a gift. How can a person gain access to grace by which a man is saved without works?

Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Faith is the key that gives "access" to grace by which a man is saved.

Where does Faith come from ?

 

[Curtis]

Where does Faith come from ?

Faith, grace, mercy, and repentance all comes from God the Word.