Repentance ( Must a person forsake his sins before he can come to Christ? )

[God's Truth]

Greetings @God's Truth




Why did they do as they did?
That might be a good place to understand much more?

why did they?


Bless you ....><>

Abraham had faith and obedience to God. Faith alone is dead.

Hebrews 8:11 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.

 

[God's Truth]

Yes because those who seek the True God with a True heart of Faith, they have been sought by God beforehand and made a new creature with given a new heart, because men by nature dont seek the True God Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

You were taught wrong about that scripture by Calvinists. I would like to make a thread sometime soon and talk about all the scriptures taught wrong by Calvinists, and hope you will join in.

 

[God's Truth]

Greetings,

is 'the Promise' the same?

If you think 'yes', are you sure?

Does the Promise, promise those things?
Did 'the Promise' Who is the Anointed One, God's Word, with Whom there is no variableness, nor shadow of turning, become flesh and lay down His life that we, who were in darkness, rebellious and sinners, might have Life, Resurrection Life at His Coming? (according to The Promise given to all who hear.

Let us preach only truth, that God's name be exalted and all glory be given to Him, for He is faithful that promised. He also will bring it to pass.
Judgement is His and for us, let us redeem the time and so walk in Love, as He walked, leaving us an example, that we may enter in.

I sometimes wonder how many would fare better than Job, if the LORD would demand of us, questions we have never fathomed, the depths thereof hidden from those who refuse to see His glory, and His faithfulness, but revealed to those who love Him.

Let us not be experts in what we only as yet see dimly, as in a glass, only polished by man, but let us be found good stewards, ministering that which has been promised to us, if we be found faithful at His coming.


Bless you ....><>

You might like to follow my thread on the Reward. God's truth can be known.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Brother Dave,

The first 12 seconds of the video is something I can really dislike, when people talk about our responsibility as being work, the guy is trying to complicate a very simple thing, the bible says repent. the timing of all these things does not matter,
For example, I say I believe in Jesus and want to go to heaven, but have no desire to stop sinning that is not true belief. For those that truly believe in Jesus, you will keep his commandments and it will not be burdensome to you. You may stumble and you will be convicted and repent.

Grace and faith, belief all come with evidence of how you live. Repentance true repentance is that evidence also of saving grace in your life. IMO

Must a person forsake his sins before he can come to Christ? .............not 100% sure what you mean by "come to Christ"​

We all come to Christ as sinners, everyone needs to repent you can come to Christ without repenting, but if you do not repent soon afterwords will you be saved? I don't think so... you can repent and come to Christ but that really seems like splitting hairs to me, when you learn about Christ hopefully that leads you to repentance it's a process of sanctification.

Luke 13:3​

No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

I have heard many times that to repent is to turn...
Is it to Whom we turn that is the Christian repentance that we read about and experience?

so, is it that, in order to come to Him for His Salvation, for our Salvation in Him, that a man must first turn away from the world, from all that is sin and darkness, and in turning, turn to Him, Who is the Light, that we may then clearly see the Way, in which we should walk, worthy of His name?

Jesus said, Follow Me
He knows His sheep and they know Him and His voice


Bless you ....><>

Return to the LORD your God
for He is gracious and merciful
Joel 2:23a

All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me; and him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.
John 6:37

May God's will be done

“For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him Who sent Me. “This is the will of Him Who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
John 6:38-40

Praise the Lord

 

[Br. Bear]

You might like to follow my thread on the Reward. God's truth can be known.

thank you but I prefer to follow Him Who called me


Bless you ....><>

 

[Brightfame52]

You were taught wrong about that scripture by Calvinists. I would like to make a thread sometime soon and talk about all the scriptures taught wrong by Calvinists, and hope you will join in.

Rom 3:11 taught me !

 

[Br. Bear]

Abraham had faith and obedience to God. Faith alone is dead.

Hebrews 8:11 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.

yes, but why did they do as they did.
saying 'faith' can roll off the tongue, but what exactly do we mean?

again, Why did they?


Bless you ....><>

ps... you do not have to rush an answer/reply... it is probably best you don't ....><>

 

[GodB4Us]

Thanks for taking your time to write all these, but to be honest, none of these really means anything unless a clear definition of “rapture” can be given. Nowhere in the Bible says that true believers will suddenly disappear altogether, that’s Hollywood version. The most likely scenario is that we’ll all be dead for refusing to take the Mark, thus the church will be gone when the wrath of God is poured out, but that’s not a good sales pitch, is it.

How do you apply these verses to mean below?

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

This is where the idea of the rapture comes from as caught away like that.

In Zechariah 14:1-5, it is prophesied that the Lord will come back with the ( raptured ) saints & touched down on the Mount of Olives to do battle with the world's armies marching unto Jerusalem at the end of the great tribulation.

BUT

In Revelation 20:1-6, when Satan is in the pit for a thousand years thus alluding to the defeat of the world's armies, that means Jesus is already on earth after having touched down on the Mount of Olives for when that resurrection takes place.

So at this resurrection after the great tribulation, after the defeat of the world's armies marching unto Jerusalem for why Satan is in the pit for a thousand years, those saints are not meeting the Lord in the air.

So who were the saints that the Lord came back with to do battle against the world's armies marching unto Jerusalem unless they were the raptured saints, Christ, the firstfruits before the great tribulation?

God is judging His House at the pre great tribulation rapture event for why He is warning believers and churches to be ready or else and so the "happy" notion that every saved believer will be ready and willing to leave is false.

 

[GodB4Us]

There is such a thing as natural-born liars, i.e. folks for whom dishonesty is a way
of life.

• Ps 58:3 . .The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies go
astray from birth.

Natural-born liars are in a really bad fix because deceivers are destined for exile via
a manner of termination akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten
iron.

• Rev 21:8 . . All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and
brimstone, which is the second death.

Now; if true that natural-born liars have to forsake their dishonesty before coming
to Christ, then it's quite possible none have succeeded.

"Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Neither can you do
good who are accustomed to doing evil." (Jer 13:23)
_

Indeed, it is known that people can lie so much that they start believing their own lies. What hope is there for them?

Jesus Christ is the hope we have that He will destroy the works of the devil in our lives & help us to lay aside every weight & sin daily in living that life of repentance as His disciple, walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son.

 

[Br. Bear]

Yes because those who seek the True God with a True heart of Faith, they have been sought by God beforehand and made a new creature with given a new heart, because men by nature dont seek the True God Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Greetings,

in all honesty, this verse in the context in which we have it, recalling Scripture, is to help 'explain' about grace and faith; God's riches at Christs expense, as the Apostle was writing about the law declaring all dead in sin and having no remedy by the law; therefore by faith, we are saved, not of ourselves, it is a gift of God. (may i encourage you to read at least Romans 3? - although it is an easy book to read through all and better to grasp the message if we do)

however, yes, the unregenerate man does not seek God.


Bless you ....><>

 

[B-A-C]

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

I wonder how we reconcile that with..

Acts 15:17; SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,'
Acts 17:27; that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
Heb 11:6; And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

Psa 22:26; The afflicted will eat and be satisfied; Those who seek Him will praise the LORD. Let your heart live forever!
Psa 24:6; This is the generation of those who seek Him, Who seek Your face—even Jacob. Selah.
Psa 105:3; Glory in His holy name; Let the heart of those who seek the LORD be glad.
Psa 105:4; Seek the LORD and His strength; Seek His face continually.

Rom 3:11; is actually a quote from Psalm 14.

 

[God's Truth]

thank you but I prefer to follow Him Who called me


Bless you ....><>

You don't have function on this site to follow certain threads? You are staff here and don't know that?

 

[Brightfame52]

Greetings,

in all honesty, this verse in the context in which we have it, recalling Scripture, is to help 'explain' about grace and faith; God's riches at Christs expense, as the Apostle was writing about the law declaring all dead in sin and having no remedy by the law; therefore by faith, we are saved, not of ourselves, it is a gift of God. (may i encourage you to read at least Romans 3? - although it is an easy book to read through all and better to grasp the message if we do)

however, yes, the unregenerate man does not seek God.


Bless you ....><>

Yes I am quite aware of the Book of Romans and Chapter 3, and it teaches the total spiritual depavity of men by nature. And so by nature. no man seeks after God Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

The only wy we can seek the True God by Faith, we have to be made alive first and given a new heart, be born again !

 

[God's Truth]

yes, but why did they do as they did.
saying 'faith' can roll off the tongue, but what exactly do we mean?

again, Why did they?


Bless you ....><>

ps... you do not have to rush an answer/reply... it is probably best you don't ....><>

It sounds like you have something in your mind about predestination and God making Abraham believe and obey without him knowing it.
That teaching is a Calvinistic teaching and is nowhere in the Bible.

Can you show in the Bible where God saves unbelievers?
Because Calvinistic teachings have God saving unbelievers.
God does not save unbelievers.

 

[Brightfame52]

It sounds like you have something in your mind about predestination and God making Abraham believe and obey without him knowing it.
That teaching is a Calvinistic teaching and is nowhere in the Bible.

Can you show in the Bible where God saves unbelievers?
Because Calvinistic teachings have God saving unbelievers.
God does not save unbelievers.

If God didnt save unbelievers, He doesnt save sinners. All are unbelieving sinners by nature. You just gave no person any hope of being saved.

 

[God's Truth]

Rom 3:11 taught me !

You were taught wrong about that scripture.

Did you know that Paul was quoting Old Testament scriptures?

What is King David saying where Paul quotes?


Listen carefully; Paul is quoting king David who at that time in which David speaks, the people are in a bad condition inside Israel. When the day spoken of arrived, the day where king David says what he says---no one searched for God.

However, If no one ever searched for God, ever, then how was it that the Israelites called out to God to help them when they thought God had forgotten them while they were slaves in Egypt?


Exodus 3:9 And now the cry of the Israelites has reached me, and I have seen the way the Egyptians are oppressing them.

Deuteronomy 26:7 Then we cried out to the LORD, the God of our ancestors, and the LORD heard our voice and saw our misery, toil and oppression.

If no one ever searched for God, then why do the scriptures say people did in the New Testament, when Jesus arrived, people shouted: “Son of David, have mercy on me”. They were looking for the Messiah. In the New Testament a blind man was searching for the Son of God, the prophet’s had said would come. I just showed you that people do search for God.

Again, Paul was explaining that the Jews were sinners like the Gentiles, even though the Jews were supposed to be God’s Holy people. The Jews were God's people and now Gentiles were getting to be included in the New COVENANT. Paul explains that God's people the Jews sinned not unlike the many Gentiles, but now ALL CAN BE SAVED through Jesus and the New Covenant.

 

[God's Truth]

If God didnt save unbelievers, He doesnt save sinners. All are unbelieving sinners by nature. You just gave no person any hope of being saved.

God saves BELIEVERS who REPENT of their SINS.

 

[Curtis]

1Co 15:10 But whatever I am now, it is all because God poured out his special favor on me—and not without results. For I have worked harder than any of the other apostles; yet it was not I but God who was working through me by his grace. (NLT)

Was the Apostle Paul obedient to God? He worked harder than all the other apostles, yet he claimed it was NOT him doing this work, but God by his GRACE working through him!

How about Jesus Christ the Son of God? Was Jesus obedient to his Father in all he did? What did Jesus say about himself?

Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

What did Jesus say about us?

Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

If God the Father worked through his Son and Jesus works through his Church, then who gets the credit for what we do if we have faith in him?

Anybody can have "works" without having any faith. but no one can have faith without works.

 

[Brightfame52]

You were taught wrong about that scripture.

Did you know that Paul was quoting Old Testament scriptures?

What is King David saying where Paul quotes?


Listen carefully; Paul is quoting king David who at that time in which David speaks, the people are in a bad condition inside Israel. When the day spoken of arrived, the day where king David says what he says---no one searched for God.

However, If no one ever searched for God, ever, then how was it that the Israelites called out to God to help them when they thought God had forgotten them while they were slaves in Egypt?


Exodus 3:9 And now the cry of the Israelites has reached me, and I have seen the way the Egyptians are oppressing them.

Deuteronomy 26:7 Then we cried out to the LORD, the God of our ancestors, and the LORD heard our voice and saw our misery, toil and oppression.

If no one ever searched for God, then why do the scriptures say people did in the New Testament, when Jesus arrived, people shouted: “Son of David, have mercy on me”. They were looking for the Messiah. In the New Testament a blind man was searching for the Son of God, the prophet’s had said would come. I just showed you that people do search for God.

Again, Paul was explaining that the Jews were sinners like the Gentiles, even though the Jews were supposed to be God’s Holy people. The Jews were God's people and now Gentiles were getting to be included in the New COVENANT. Paul explains that God's people the Jews sinned not unlike the many Gentiles, but now ALL CAN BE SAVED through Jesus and the New Covenant.

God taught me Rom 3:11

 

[Brightfame52]

God saves BELIEVERS who REPENT of their SINS.

Thats wrong, God saves unbelievers then they believe. You cant believe until you are saved.