Did you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit by works, or by faith?

[B-A-C]

Nothing about Jews in these verses.

1Cor 14:21; In the Law it is written, "BY MEN OF STRANGE TONGUES AND BY THE LIPS OF STRANGERS I WILL SPEAK TO THIS PEOPLE, AND EVEN SO THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO ME," says the Lord.
1Cor 14:22; So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.

It's about believers and unbelievers. Not about Jews and non-Jews.

 

[God's Truth]

Nothing about Jews in these verses.

1Cor 14:21; In the Law it is written, "BY MEN OF STRANGE TONGUES AND BY THE LIPS OF STRANGERS I WILL SPEAK TO THIS PEOPLE, AND EVEN SO THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO ME," says the Lord.

Paul is quoting the old testament scripture to the Jews.

In the Old Testament, we read this about tongues…

Isaiah 28:11 Very well then, with foreign lips

and strange tongues God will speak to this people,

12 to whom he said, “This is the resting place, let the weary rest”;

and, “This is the place of repose”—

but they would not listen.

Now read what the New Testament says about tongues, Paul is quoting that Old Testament scripture about tongues…



See Paul is quoting the old testament:

1 Corinthians 14:21 In the Law it is written:

“Through men of strange tongues

and through the lips of foreigners

I will speak to this people,

but even then they will not listen to me,” says the Lord.

22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.

1Cor 14:22; So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.

It's about believers and unbelievers. Not about Jews and non-Jews.

It is about a sign to the Jews.

Please note that the word for languages is the word “tongues,” see Acts 2:11.

In Acts 2:5 we see that there were JEWS from EVERY NATION. The Jews are the people God said that He would speak to through men of strange tongues…

Acts 2:5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.

In Acts 2:6 we see that the Jews from every nation spoke in many different languages…

Acts 2:6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language.

Just look at the list of places the Jews had come from…

Acts 2:8-Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”

 

[B-A-C]

Paul is quoting the old testament scripture to the Jews.

But 1Corinthians is written to the Gentiles. You can't just take part of verses from one part of the Bible and say they apply to another part.
Everything has to be taken in context. Consider the audience. There were very few (if any) Jews at the church in Corinth.

1Cor 13:8; Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.

Tongues are only "done away" with when knowledge and prophecy are done away with. You can't cut a verse in half, and say only half of it applies.

Mark 16:17 "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;

Jesus didn't say only the Jews will speak with new tongues. He said he people that follow Him will. When you add things like "only the Jews", you are adding words that aren't there.

Acts 19:2; He said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" And they said to him, "No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."
Acts 19:3; And he said, "Into what then were you baptized?" And they said, "Into John's baptism."
Acts 19:4; Paul said, "John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
Acts 19:5; When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19:6; And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.
Acts 19:7; There were in all about twelve men.

These 12 men in Ephesus would have been Gentiles. There were no Jews present (except Paul himself) yet they spoke n tongues here.
The events written here in Acts 19 would have happened about the same times as the events in Ephesians.

 

[God's Truth]

But 1Corinthians is written to the Gentiles.

Paul quotes the old testament over a hundred times to the GENTILES.

You can't just take part of verses from one part of the Bible and say they apply to another part.

I am explaining the Truth.

Everything has to be taken in context. Consider the audience. There were very few (if any) Jews at the church in Corinth.

Again, Paul quotes old testament to the Gentiles over a hundred times, and, speaking in tongues did show THE JEWS that the Gentiles were included. It is still a sign to the Jews.

 

[Waggles]

22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.

Exactly right - and most people are unbelievers until they believe the full gospel and seek to be born from above by water and Spirit and then afterwards they shall speak in tongues.
This is also what Jesus taught -
Mark 16:16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;

Before I became a Pentecostal Christian I was an unbeliever of the gospel being Roman Catholic. When I believed the word of God and underwent repentance and water baptism I then prayed to receive the baptism of
the Holy Spirit.
And on the day I received the indwelling Holy Spirit I spoke in tongues as scripture teaches.

 

[God's Truth]

Exactly right - and most people are unbelievers until they believe the full gospel and seek to be born from above by water and Spirit and then afterwards they shall speak in tongues.
This is also what Jesus taught -

In the New Testament times, tongues were a sign to unbelieving Jews. The unbelieving Jews would hear the Christians speaking the words of God in their languages.

Mark 16:16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;

That was during the laying of the foundation. The foundation was laid a long time ago.
Tongues ceased when prophecies and new knowledge ceased.

Before I became a Pentecostal Christian I was an unbeliever of the gospel being Roman Catholic. When I believed the word of God and underwent repentance and water baptism I then prayed to receive the baptism of
the Holy Spirit.
And on the day I received the indwelling Holy Spirit I spoke in tongues as scripture teaches.

You did what you watched other Pentecostals do.

 

[Waggles]

You did what you watched other Pentecostals do.

And you remain a product of what you watch others not do.

 

[GodB4Us]

Nothing about Jews in these verses.

1Cor 14:21; In the Law it is written, "BY MEN OF STRANGE TONGUES AND BY THE LIPS OF STRANGERS I WILL SPEAK TO THIS PEOPLE, AND EVEN SO THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO ME," says the Lord.
1Cor 14:22; So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophecy is for a sign, not to unbelievers but to those who believe.

It's about believers and unbelievers. Not about Jews and non-Jews.

On the day of Pentecost, there were Jews visiting from every nation under the heavens, for how that prophesy came true.

Acts 2:1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

So I can see your comment as applying to the assembly of a body of believers, a church, but I also see it as applying to the day of Pentecost as just towards the Jews.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Notice these tongues were actual known languages of those men from other lands, not an unknown tongue, or language, or gibberish.

Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

 

[God's Truth]

And you remain a product of what you watch others not do.

I explained to you that there was a time I thought I could speak in tongues and even interpret what I said.

So what you said was not true.

 

[B-A-C]

but I also see it as applying to the day of Pentecost as just towards the Jews.

There were at least 3 "days of Pentecost" in the Bible. Likely an annual event.

Acts 2:1; When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place.
Acts 20:16; For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hurrying to be in Jerusalem, if possible, on the day of Pentecost.
1Cor 16:8; But I will remain in Ephesus until Pentecost;

Obviously Acts 2 was the first.
Then Paul sailed "past" Ephesus, trying to get to Jerusalem for Pentecost.
Finally Paul returned back by Ephesus (nearly 3 years later) until Pentecost.

 

[B-A-C]

Notice these tongues were actual known languages of those men from other lands, not an unknown tongue, or language, or gibberish.

In Acts 2 this was the case. But Paul does speak of another kind of language.

1Cor 13:1; If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

Acts 2 was little different from most other events. Of the 5 times in Acts where believers are baptized in the Holy Spirit, it's the only time the "mighty rushing wind" is mentioned.
It's also the only time when the "cloves (or tongues) of fire above people's heads is mentioned.

Acts 2:2; And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.
Acts 2:3; And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them.

The thing that always concerns me about threads like this.. is the focus on tongues. That is just 1 of the 9 gifts. ( 1Cor 12:8-10; )

 

[God's Truth]

In Acts 2 this was the case. But Paul does speak of another kind of language.

1Cor 13:1; If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.

Acts 2 was little different from most other events. Of the 5 times in Acts where believers are baptized in the Holy Spirit, it's the only time the "mighty rushing wind" is mentioned.
It's also the only time when the "cloves (or tongues) of fire above people's heads is mentioned.

Acts 2:2; And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.
Acts 2:3; And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them.

The thing that always concerns me about threads like this.. is the focus on tongues. That is just 1 of the 9 gifts. ( 1Cor 12:8-10; )

Even if the people didn't speak in what sounded like real other languages---IT WAS STILL HEARD BY OTHERS IN THEIR REAL EARTHLY LANGUAGES.

Think about that for awhile.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

The thing that always concerns me about threads like this.. is the focus on tongues. That is just 1 of the 9 gifts. ( 1Cor 12:8-10; )

This thread was not about tongues, the speaking in tongues debate was injected into this thread by the Pentecostal denomination.

I have no problem saying though, that not every born again Christian speaks in tongues. To say one must speak in tongues to prove they are born again of the Holy Spirit is a false teaching of men, and is not of God. Not all born again Christians are given the same gifts, so also says the words of God.

 

[brighthouse98]

(Rom 2:11) and (Acts 10:34) If this was just for the Jews then God lied?? Of course, he did not lie. So, since people are still being healed today, then all appointments are for today as well. It is a shame that at times we have some who have truly become part of this scripture!! (Proverbs 23:9)

 

[God's Truth]

(Rom 2:11) and (Acts 10:34) If this was just for the Jews then God lied?? Of course, he did not lie. So, since people are still being healed today, then all appointments are for today as well. It is a shame that at times we have some who have truly become part of this scripture!! (Proverbs 23:9)

The SIGN OF TONGUES WAS FOR THE JEWS.

I gave you scriptures.


In the Old Testament, we read this about tongues…

Isaiah 28:11 Very well then, with foreign lips

and strange tongues God will speak to this people,

12 to whom he said, “This is the resting place, let the weary rest”;

and, “This is the place of repose”—

but they would not listen.


That is God speaking to the JEWS WHO HE KNEW WOULD NOT LISTEN.

Now read what the New Testament says about tongues, Paul is quoting that Old Testament scripture about tongues…

1 Corinthians 14:21 In the Law it is written:

“Through men of strange tongues

and through the lips of foreigners

I will speak to this people,

but even then they will not listen to me,” says the Lord.

22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.

 

[brighthouse98]

And I gave you scriptures to show you are wrong. lol

 

[brighthouse98]

The Old is for the Law the New is for ALL OF US! I hold to where I am, not where I was.

 

[God's Truth]

And I gave you scriptures to show you are wrong. lol

No you didn't.

 

[God's Truth]

The Old is for the Law the New is for ALL OF US! I hold to where I am, not where I was.

The old testament is about prophecies of Jesus, and the new testament is prophesies revealed and explained.