Did you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit by works, or by faith?

[Waggles]

Romans 1:1 Paul, bondman of Jesus Christ, a called apostle, separated unto God’s gospel,
2 which he promised afore through his prophets in the holy scriptures,
3 concerning his Son, who came to be of David’s seed according to the flesh,
4 determined as the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection of the dead: even Jesus Christ our Lord,
5 through whom we received grace and apostleship, unto obedience of faith among all the nations, for his name’s sake;
6 among whom are ye also Jesus Christ’s called ones:
7 to all that are in Rome, beloved of God, called saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul's epistle like all the other epistles is written to the Pentecostal church of the NT - there was only one church, one gospel, one faith, one doctrine on baptisms,
a church with signs and miracles for all disciples and in which also the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit operated to exhort and edify the body of Christ.

 

[Waggles]

Romans 5:14 But death reigned from Adam till Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a figure of the one to come.
15 But not as the trespass, thus also the free gift. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much rather did the grace of God, and the gift by grace which is of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound unto the many.
16 And not as through the one that sinned, is the gift: for the judgment- it came of one unto condemnation, but the free gift came of many trespasses unto justification.
17 For if, by the trespass of the one, death reigned through the one; much rather shall they that receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one, Jesus Christ.

 

[Waggles]

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God hath appeared to all men bringing salvation,
12 instructing us, that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly and righteously and godly in this present age;
13 awaiting the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify to himself a people for his possession, zealous of good works.

Thus the Spirit of God is a free gift to those who believe and submit to the full gospel of salvation and seek (pray) for the Holy Spirit.
While many Pentecostal Christians receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit at the time of their water baptism, many also simply humble themselves and ask for the Holy Spirit and then speak in tongues.

 

[brighthouse98]

Very nice Waggles!!

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

While many Pentecostal Christians receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit at the time of their water baptism, many also simply humble themselves and ask for the Holy Spirit and then speak in tongues.

Not all have the same gifts…..

1 Corinthians 12​

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12 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.”

 

[brighthouse98]

When Holy Spirit enters a person, what power of the Holy Spirit is left behind? But you are correct not all manifest all the gifts of the Holy Spirit, but that does not mean that all the gifts are not inside us. Verse 31!!Gifts cannot show themselves without LOVE!! Which the scriptures tell us. The scripture also tells us that not many wise (1 Cor 1:26-29) Notice the scripture says not many, but that means there are some, and most become wise through Jesus, not earthly wisdom. so fine point!

 

[God's Truth]

So, you say God's truth, but that does not make it so.

Right, not because I say so, but because God says so.

For like Paul I have seen the risen Jesus myself, you do not have to believe it, but I will say this (James 2:18) I have had my say in this. you always can believe as you wish.

You think you have seen the risen Lord as his face?

 

[brighthouse98]

I do not have to think, I know. Next If there are no more, which I noticed you show no chapter and verse for your claim, I on the other hand will show you scripture. As waggles put up already 1 Cor 12:29 and really look at the entire chapter, your saying Jesus lied???? NOW!!! If you asked me, do you know of any, I would have to say no, but that would not mean there are none,it is a very big world out there, I could not judge rightly no more than you can.

 

[God's Truth]

I do not have to think, I know. Next If there are no more, which I noticed you show no chapter and verse for your claim, I on the other hand will show you scripture. As waggles put up already 1 Cor 12:29 and really look at the entire chapter, your saying Jesus lied???? NOW!!! If you asked me, do you know of any, I would have to say no, but that would not mean there are none,it is a very big world out there, I could not judge rightly no more than you can.

You claim to have seen Jesus' face but you don't know any Apostles but claim there some. That proves you are in error.

An apostle is one who is CHOSEN, CALLED, and SENT, and TAUGHT by Jesus, and able to do MANY MIRACLES and helped lay the foundation. .

The gospel has been given a long time ago, and the foundation has also been laid a long time ago. There are no more Apostles.

 

[Waggles]

Very nice Waggles!!

Thankyou and God bless.

 

[Waggles]

1 Corinthians 12

Again as a non Pentecostal Christian you are confused and ignorant of the operation of the nine gifts distributed within the body of Christ
three of these gifts are the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit to be operated in a church meeting - 1Corinthians 14 - is about their proper use in a church service meeting
tongues followed by interpretation up to three times and also up to three gifts of prophecy to be spoken out aloud decently and in order

this is in addition to praying in the Holy Spirit, that is praying in tongues, which is the Bible evidence of baptism of the Holy Spirit and clearly taught in scripture
1Cor 14:2 For who speaketh in a tongue speaketh not to men, but to God; for no one heareth; but in spirit he speaketh mysteries.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

Again as a non Pentecostal Christian you are confused and ignorant of the operation of the nine gifts distributed within the body of Christ
three of these gifts are the voice gifts of the Holy Spirit to be operated in a church meeting - 1Corinthians 14 - is about their proper use in a church service meeting
tongues followed by interpretation up to three times and also up to three gifts of prophecy to be spoken out aloud decently and in order

this is in addition to praying in the Holy Spirit, that is praying in tongues, which is the Bible evidence of baptism of the Holy Spirit and clearly taught in scripture
1Cor 14:2 For who speaketh in a tongue speaketh not to men, but to God; for no one heareth; but in spirit he speaketh mysteries.

I consider speaking in tongues the least of all the gifts of the Spirit. And building a whole denomination and doctrine based on men speaking gibberish is not of God, but of men. As any reprobate can speak gibberish and call it tongues.

Speaking in tongues does not edify the church.

1 Corinthians 14:1-19​

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14 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.”

 

[brighthouse98]

1Cor 14:18!! A few year ago in our Church before the start of it, people were speaking in tongues, to edify self, to build on their faith, a older man about 70 came into our church and took a seat, the lady in front of him was speaking in old Italian the man heard this and suddenly got up out of his seat went to his knees and gave his life to Christ, he then taped the lady who was speaking and asked if she knew that language, she said no sir I am sorry I don't, I was speaking in tongues to the Lord, the man said you said" that Jesus loved me and why is my pride coming before me?"

SO!!!! It is far from gibberish. The purpose for speaking this way is to allow Holy Spirit in you to act, rather than remain silent, but it is your choice, but I would not call this the least, because at times in one's life you go through a hardship and praying in English, sometimes you just don't have the words of what to say for the Lord to hear, but you know he always hears Holy Spirit in us. Just something to consider not being mean or upset! Blessing.

 

[God's Truth]

1Cor 14:18!! A few year ago in our Church before the start of it, people were speaking in tongues, to edify self, to build on their faith, a older man about 70 came into our church and took a seat, the lady in front of him was speaking in old Italian the man heard this and suddenly got up out of his seat went to his knees and gave his life to Christ, he then taped the lady who was speaking and asked if she knew that language, she said no sir I am sorry I don't, I was speaking in tongues to the Lord, the man said you said" that Jesus loved me and why is my pride coming before me?"

SO!!!! It is far from gibberish. The purpose for speaking this way is to allow Holy Spirit in you to act, rather than remain silent, but it is your choice, but I would not call this the least, because at times in one's life you go through a hardship and praying in English, sometimes you just don't have the words of what to say for the Lord to hear, but you know he always hears Holy Spirit in us. Just something to consider not being mean or upset! Blessing.

I only go by what the scriptures say.

The scriptures say tongues are for a sign to the JEWS who were dispersed and spoke many different languages.

 

[B-A-C]

The scriptures say tongues are for a sign to the JEWS who were dispersed and spoke many different languages.

Do you have scripture for this?

 

[God's Truth]

Do you have scripture for this?

So glad you ask.

Tongues are not for believers it is for unbelievers (1 Cor 14:22). The gift of tongues is a gift for a sign to the Jews (Isaiah 28:11, 12; 1 Cor 14:21; Acts 2:5, 8, Acts 10:44), during the laying of the foundation of the church. Speaking in tongues by the Gentiles also showed the Jews that God granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life (Acts 11:18). The sign has been given, and the foundation has since been laid (Eph 2:20), and tongues has ceased just as the Bible said it would.

 

[B-A-C]

tongues has ceased just as the Bible said it would.

So I'm assuming knowledge and prophecy has ceased as well.

Tongues are not for believers it is for unbelievers

That has nothing to do with Jews or non-Jews.

Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles. The book of Corinthians was written to Gentiles.

1Cor 14:5; Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.
1Cor 14:6; But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or of prophecy or of teaching?
1Cor 14:7; Yet even lifeless things, either flute or harp, in producing a sound, if they do not produce a distinction in the tones, how will it be known what is played on the flute or on the harp?
1Cor 14:8; For if the bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle?

These people were speaking a language no one understood, it had to be interpreted (by the Holy Spirit).

1Cor 14:10; There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning.
1Cor 14:11; If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me.

Mark 16:17; "These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;
Mark 16:18; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

 

[God's Truth]

So I'm assuming knowledge and prophecy has ceased as well.

You want to add to the Bible? No? Can't? Why do you think?

That has nothing to do with Jews or non-Jews.

It SAYS JEWS.

Did you read the scriptures I GAVE?

Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles. The book of Corinthians was written to Gentiles.

1Cor 14:5; Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying.
1Cor 14:6; But now, brethren, if I come to you speaking in tongues, what will I profit you unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or of prophecy or of teaching?
1Cor 14:7; Yet even lifeless things, either flute or harp, in producing a sound, if they do not produce a distinction in the tones, how will it be known what is played on the flute or on the harp?
1Cor 14:8; For if the bugle produces an indistinct sound, who will prepare himself for battle?

These people were speaking a language no one understood, it had to be interpreted (by the Holy Spirit).

1Cor 14:10; There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning.
1Cor 14:11; If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me.

ADDRESS THE SCRIPTURES I GAVE!

What are you doing?????

 

[God's Truth]

Defend the teaching of God or the teaching of man!!!

 

[God's Truth]

So glad you ask.

Tongues are not for believers it is for unbelievers (1 Cor 14:22). The gift of tongues is a gift for a sign to the Jews (Isaiah 28:11, 12; 1 Cor 14:21; Acts 2:5, 8, Acts 10:44), during the laying of the foundation of the church. Speaking in tongues by the Gentiles also showed the Jews that God granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life (Acts 11:18). The sign has been given, and the foundation has since been laid (Eph 2:20), and tongues has ceased just as the Bible said it would.

@B-A-C
DEAL WITH THESE SCRIPTURES I gave.

Stop posting scripture you think can nullify the scriptures I gave!!!

Why do you think you can ignore the scriptures and nullify them?

They aren't going away.