Did you receive the gift of the Holy Spirit by works, or by faith?

[StewardoftheMystery]

Just because someone might believe in Jesus, it doesn't mean they will obey him.

It does not mean they will disobey Him either.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

NO.

Yes

A person is NOT saved by faith alone

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

That is a false teaching.

Nope, it’s true.

FAITH ALONE IS ALWAYS DEAD AND CANNOT SAVE.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So you see it is NOT like you said that faith and works go hand in hand!

Faith without works is dead.

 

[God's Truth]

It does not mean they will disobey Him either.

But that is the point I am making...that they HAVE to obey too before getting saved.

 

[God's Truth]

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

The GIFT is to God's CHILDREN---the HEIRS.

You have to do what Jesus says to do to be a child of God's, an heir.

Jesus says you have to change and humble yourself as a little child and repent of your sins.

The scripture you gave is about believing Jesus' blood purifies you and not the blood of animals.

Faith without works is dead.

You finally understand?

 

[brighthouse98]

Hi Steward, work??? LOL When I was asked to receive Holy Spirit, I did not even know who he was!!! LOL 4 people gathered around all speaking in different languages, I said what are you all doing?? I only speak English!! Just believe they said, Humm ok so I closed my eyes and began to pray, suddenly after about 2 min lightning bolts started forming words in my mind set, the paster full of the Holy Spirit said now in faith speak the words you are given, so I did for about 10 min, afterwards I asked the Paster I do not know what I am saying!

That is between Jesus and the Holy Spirit do not be concerned you are born again the Pastor stated. About 2 weeks after that I was invited to a Methodist church, we were singing some hymns, and a voice within my mindset said" Do you see the lady in the front row second from the right, she has a hole in her heart and if you go pray for her, I will heal her. OH MY!!! I stated sweating, I said back in my thoughts Lord I am not a member of this church but if the pastor invites us to come to the front I will go. I am sweating so much now water is dropping from my face!!

LOL Anyway the song was over, and he began to preach, I thought boy I am fine now, those thought in my mindset must have just been me, he got done preaching we were about to sing another hymn when the Pastor stopped and said wait!!! I am now led by the Lord to invite people up front to pray for those in need, WHAT!!!! In a Methodist church????? I did not even think, I just started to make my way to the front as I believed the Lord told me to do ,LOL no work I my part here, except to just believe!!( Mark 5:36) and (2 Cor 1:20-22) As I made my way to the front the Pastor eyes met mine, and I said Pastor do you see that lady next to the lady in the red dress, she has a hole in her heart and if we pray for her the Lord said he would heal her, the lady got up and started to cry!! OH DEAR!!!!

WHAT did I just do???? She said My God it is true!! I started to go back to my seat, and the pastor said no, you pray for her, as I made my way to her some kind of power started to go through me, I almost fell it was so strong, I got to her raise my hand over her, not on her and said Lord Jesus touch your child and make her whole, bang!!! she dropped like she was hit with a pipe! Now what I thought??? she lay there, some in the church said is this the Lord?? some said Is this the devil?? The Pastor stated full of Holy Spirit himself, when she wakes up whoever did it will get the glory from it!

After about 8 or 9 min she woke and said Glory to the Lord!!! The pastor said it's the Lord, it's the Lord And she told the Church what the Lord had done for her, I said go back to your doctor, and take your medicine with you to confirm! After about 4 days I had received the confirmation from her, the doctor showed her in an x ray that the hole was covered up, he never seen anything like it!! LOL That in my 69 years was the wildest thing I had ever seen the Lord preform, it was wonderful, even though I think I lost 5 pounds from sweating!! LOL Sorry for the length, I was led to tell you this, which I hope confirms some things to you as well. Blessing, and thanks for the fine question!!

 

[God's Truth]

Hi Steward, work??? LOL When I was asked to receive Holy Spirit, I did not even know who he was!!! LOL 4 people gathered around all speaking in different languages, I said what are you all doing?? I only speak English!! Just believe they said, Humm ok so I closed my eyes and began to pray, suddenly after about 2 min lightning bolts started forming words in my mind set, the paster full of the Holy Spirit said now in faith speak the words you are given, so I did for about 10 min, afterwards I asked the Paster I do not know what I am saying!

None of that is scriptural.

That is between Jesus and the Holy Spirit do not be concerned you are born again the Pastor stated.

Jesus IS the Spirit.

 

[brighthouse98]

Sure, it is scriptural (Acts 2:38-39) Acts 3:6-16!!!) And if you knew the truth you would-be as free as I am in Christ Jesus.

 

[God's Truth]

Sure, it is scriptura

The people who spoke in tongues in the New Testament, it didn't happen the way you say your pastor had you do it.

l (Acts 2:38-39) Acts 3:6-16!!!) And if you knew the truth you would-be as free as I am in Christ Jesus.

I don't tell people they are not saved, I just try to show people what the false teachings are and the Truth.

 

[brighthouse98]

Some people may think but they were disciples!! True!!! So are we, and they are no better than we are, in fact, we are better than they were!!! (Matt 11:11!!!) I sure know I am the least!

 

[brighthouse98]

Was any healing by Jesus logical always??(John 9:6) The point is that Jesus received all the glory for it!

 

[God's Truth]

Some people may think but they were disciples!! True!!! So are we, and they are no better than we are, in fact, we are better than they were!!! (Matt 11:11!!!) I sure know I am the least!

We are not to add or subtract to the world of God, the written Word of God.

 

[brighthouse98]

who is adding?? I quoted the Word

 

[God's Truth]

Was any healing by Jesus logical always??(John 9:6) The point is that Jesus received all the glory for it!

That scripture is great and much insight can be taken from it.

Jesus making mud from the dirt of the ground is about using man for some things, however, what you say about tongue speaking is not in the Bible.

 

[God's Truth]

who is adding?? I quoted the Word

You spoke of speaking in tongues in a way not spoken of in the Bible.

 

[brighthouse98]

That I agree with God's Truth!! But that is what happened to me, the result is what to me is important!

 

[brighthouse98]

Would many people say the very same thing about what happened to those people who spoke in tongues back in acts? let's see (Acts 2:4-8) lol

 

[God's Truth]

That I agree with God's Truth!! But that is what happened to me, the result is what to me is important!

I really matters.
What happened to you though is not biblical.

 

[God's Truth]

Would many people say the very same thing about what happened to those people who spoke in tongues back in acts? let's see (Acts 2:4-8) lol

We go by the Apostles from the Bible.
There are no more Apostles.

 

[brighthouse98]

So, you say God's truth, but that does not make it so. For like Paul I have seen the risen Jesus myself, you do not have to believe it, but I will say this (James 2:18) I have had my say in this. you always can believe as you wish.

 

[Waggles]

John 7:38
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Mark 16:15 And he said to them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to the whole creation.
16 Who hath believed and is baptized shall be saved; but who hath disbelieved shall be condemned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that have believed: in my name shall they cast out demons, speak with tongues;

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all that heard the word.
45 And they of the circumcision that believed were amazed, who came with Peter, because that on the nations also was poured out the gift of the Holy Spirit.
46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47 Can anyone forbid the water, that these should not be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as well as we?