Does one get saved by??

[PloughBoy]

You get saved by trusting in Jesus for salvation.

No I trusted in Jesus after I got saved! And then after I got saved, I started to learn about my Salvation and My GOD and How I got saved, and who did the saving. And to my surprise, I found out I had nothing to do with my Salvation, But It was GOD Himself, who Had created me before The Foundation of The Cosmos, before He even Created "Time" Heaven, The Angels, The Stars, The Sun, The Moon, even the air, Light, Dust, and "The Night"! He had "Ordain" that in 1951 He had a "creature" that was going to be born of a woman, that would have a"Spiritual Birth"in 1977, that would be "Born of His Spirit" and wash in His Blood, And That One day That I would Look Just Like Him, And This same GOD would be my "Brother" by a "Divine Adoption" Stamp and Sealed, By The Spirit of The Living GOD! Which was "Ordain By His FATHER! That these things would come to pass. Whether I believe it or not!

Now is that wonderful or not? That He chose us.
(Eph. 1)BSB
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will,…

Now that is What I call Good News!

 

[Sue D.]

@PloughBoy -- while it Is true that believers were chosen before the beginning of time. A person Still has to make the inner decision to accept Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior. God, the Father is the Only Being who knows who those people would be. Every born again believer can say the same thing. But -- 'we' still need to make the personal decision to do so.

"And this same God would be my 'Brother' by a 'divine adoption'". Born again believers Are brothers and sisters in Christ. But no one becomes a 'brother' of God. Jesus Christ is the Son of God by virtue of the face of the trinity. God the Father, Jesus Christ His son and the holy Spirit.

When Jesus was born into this world -- Mary and Joseph had other children together After Jesus was born. Thus, while on earth -- Jesus Christ had numerous half-brothers and a half-sister. And I'm thinking that James was the only brother who is named. He was not a follower at first.

 

[PloughBoy]

@PloughBoy -- while it Is true that believers were chosen before the beginning of time. A person Still has to make the inner decision to accept Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior. God, the Father is the Only Being who knows who those people would be. Every born again believer can say the same thing. But -- 'we' still need to make the personal decision to do so.

"And this same God would be my 'Brother' by a 'divine adoption'". Born again believers Are brothers and sisters in Christ. But no one becomes a 'brother' of God. Jesus Christ is the Son of God by virtue of the face of the trinity. God the Father, Jesus Christ His son and the holy Spirit.

When Jesus was born into this world -- Mary and Joseph had other children together After Jesus was born. Thus, while on earth -- Jesus Christ had numerous half-brothers and a half-sister. And I'm thinking that James was the only brother who is named. He was not a follower at first.

In a sense, what you have said here in this sentence is somewhat true, but "technically surgically Biblically" it is not.
You said here: "A person Still has to make the inner decision to accept Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior."

Now, If you will allow me and patiently and skillfully, take the "Word of God" which is "Sharper than a Double Edge Sword". And Let me, let it, do it's work. I will Present "The Gospel According To Jesus Christ" and not according to a "Human being". But how Jesus Christ has Presented it.

(Hebrews 4)BSB
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than anydouble-edged sword, it pierces even to dividingsoul and spirit, joints and marrow. It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight; everything is uncovered and exposed before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.…

God is a "Spirit" and The unregenrated Man is "DEAD" why, because GOD said so! And the only way you can worship GOD is in "Spirit and Truth" why? Because, GOD said so! "Lean not unto Thy own "understanding"!

Jesus said:
New American Standard 1977
“No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws [drags] him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

The Human race Lost their "Ability" to Freely Choose GOD, the Desirer to Love GOD in The Garden of Eden. They Lost there "Freewill to Choose The Things of God" They do not want to choose GOD! They became Slaves to their own desirers, Bond Slaves unto SIn. And They now "Love Darkness rather Than Light" They have no "Ability" to Love GOD. For this was also "The Will of GOD"! in order, To "The Manifestation of The Glory of GOD that will be Reveal throughout Eternity"

John 6:65
"And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."

And we must Remember this, Just Because you have been "Born Again" and wash in The Blood of His SON and Born of God's Spirit, does not mean you Know "The Father".
For Jesus has also said:
Matthew 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

GOD is The Creator of All Things, not some things, ALL. He is The Creator of The "Wheat" He is The Creator of "The Tares"! There is No Other "Creator" and whatsoever comes to past "Has Been Ordain by GOD" And Nothing "SUPER RULES" over HIM. His "WILL", is Always DONE"! And The "FINITE" mind cannot "Comprehend" The Infinite, The InComprehensible", and if they think they can, they have become a Fool, because they have just Proclaim, that "There is No GOD! Finite Cannot Understand an "InComprehensible GOD" and Neither Can You Understand "The Doctrine of "The Trinity" and The Triune GOD" we cannot even have even a Imagination of "The Triune GOD" or How He even Exists!

The day Adam and EVE disobeyed GOD, They DIED a True DEATH. So don't try to figure it out and explain it away! But believe the "WORD of GOD"!

And our GOD is not so WEAK, that He has to LOOK down through time and see who will Choose and except Him as their personal Savoir.

Our GOD is ALL POWERFUL He chooses and Ordains what is to come to pass, He is Not A "HUMAN BEING" HE does not even think like one, HE does not even have a MIND, HE is a Creator of MINDS, a mind is a created thing, that will be Destroyed HE is GOD All by Himself.

Now last but not least, concerning Jesus Christ: You said: Sue D.
Born again believers Are brothers and sisters in Christ. But no one becomes a 'brother' of God. Jesus Christ is the Son of God by virtue of the face of the trinity. God the Father, Jesus Christ His son and the holy Spirit. [It is impossible for a "finite mind" to understand "The Trinity"]

That is why They Crucified "Jesus Christ", because He made HimSELF Equal to "GOD" by claiming He was "THE SON OF GOD". I see by what you said, The Pharisees and The Religious Rulers understood more about "The Gospel of According to Jesus Christ" than you!

You do not see "Jesus Christ" as "The WORD of GOD" wrap up in Flesh, a Special Body Created by GOD the FAther before The FOUNDATIONS of Everything That Exists.
I will say Again many speak about "The Trinity" they know nothing about what they speak. They Have not even Read The ones who "Coined" the Term
"The Trinty" and How the term came to be. They No nothing about "Tertullian or Augustine" and There conclusion on the term and why it was coined,
And it has become so embarrasing to me, how "Christians" spread their wings in using the term, like they know what they are talking about, and it has become useless to engage them. They just keep wandering further and further out into "The Dark and Black" Sea, where it is dark and cold.

And now we have so many 'christians' who have been in our 'churches' for decades who think they are "born of The Spirit of The Living GOD" and they are not. They have no idea what the "Holy Spirit" is or "The Son of The Living GOD" but they do church, but the Love of God is not upon their lips, You cannot fell the Love that they have for GOD when they speak about HIm. When a true Child of God Speaks about His Brother , the brother who will share the inheritance, That Our Father will Give US. "The Mystery that Has Hidden before The Foundations of The World" That even The Prophets of Old, Knew Nothing about. But NOW HAVE BEEN REVEALED to us "THE ELECT of GOD' "A Royal Priesthood" "The SONS of GOD" that will "Reign" throughout Eternity! and Shine Brighter than all the Stars that will every exist!

And The People of the World and All "Nominal Christians" will never know nor taste or receive a hint of that what is to be. No Idea whatsoever, what GOD has instored for us!

"True Children Of GOD" don't let them fool you, they do not undertand, don't let them make you think you are like them, You are different, and GOD has let you know that through His WORD, They cannot see beyond their "Human Mind" They cannot go no further, than "human understand of Biblical words, written in their Bibles. You are different. You was Created different, before The Beginning of "Time"! You was planted before The Foundations, and all your life, somehow you knew you was different before you was "BORN AGAIN". And you knew, that This world has to be more than this! "GOD put something special in you before the world existed. [This is document throughout the whole Bible] concerning you! It was Him, Nothing you have done. GOD put that LOVE in You, from the Foundation of The Word. That seed in you had to be watered and fertilize, by His methods.
( 1 Cor. 2)
However, as it is written:
“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived” —
the things God has prepared for those who love him—
these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, for,
“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”


PS. Jesus had 3 sisters and 4 brothers, and their names are recorded in the New Testament, in The Gospels. I have read their names "hundreds' of times throughout the 40 plus years. I have read them so much, I can see visions of them, in "Nazareth" and in the streets of Capernaum" and can see them pleading with Jesus to come home, I can see them worrying about Him, thinking He has lost His mind, I can see his mother sleeping on a strangers dirt floor as Jesus going from town to town. I can see, His sisters one who is also called "Mary', I can see, Them "Anna and Salome'. and He also had a Aunt name "Mary" too!

All of his brothers and sisters, didn't like Him growing up. It is told and spoken of in The OT. and in The Psalms. and they didn't understand what they where speaking and Prophesying about. But have been reveal in "Christ jesus".

(Mark 6)
“Where did this man get these things?” they asked. “What’s this wisdom that has been given him? What are these remarkable miracles he is performing? Isn’t this the carpenter? Isn’t this Mary’s son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren’t his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.

Is not this a shame, these are "elementary" things that little children should know about Jesus who are 5 and 6 year olds. We have fallen so low in "Training our Children in "The WAY" they should go. "We have train them to be "Good Christians" but Fell to Train them, in "The WAY".
Many think the World loved Jesus, They didn't . They hated him, even those he fed and healed, They apppreciated the food and healing, and they honor him with their words, but they Hated HIM without a cause. They hated His words, They hated his preaching! This is not taught.
When I talk to little Children ABOUT JESUS, 8, 9 10, 11, year olds, They are amazed, they light up, I tell them how the world treated Jesus, i let them read it for themselves, and I talk to them about Eternal Life, I tell them about how GOD is going to Destroy Heaven and The Earth. and what he is going to do and Our Inheritance in Jesus! Their eyes light up, and they always ask me, When the next time they see me would I talk about GOD again. The setting is never in a church. Where ever The Spirit of GOD compels me, and I feel the Holy Oil of GOD pours upon me. and I do all of it, just like He wants me to do and say it the way He wants me to say it.
Over 40 years of experience of doing it, that way.

I wonder what is going to happen at "The Bema Seat" My Heart always tremble when I think about it. "Did I do it the way, you wanted me too" Did I please you, instead of Pleasing Man? For If I please man, I know I have not, please you.

(Galatians 1)BSB
As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be under a curse! Am I now seeking the approval of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. For I certify to you, brothers, that the gospel I preached was not devised by man.…

Thank you for your Patience:

May the LORD Breathe the Breath of life upon all of us, That Loves "His Truth" and "GOD the SON who was wrap in Flesh and walked among us "Full of Grace and Truth"

King James Version
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
English Standard Version
The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”

If GOD The Father Have Called "Jesus", GOD! who are we to speak differently?

New American Standard Bible
But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. (HEB. 1:8).
A Inheritance "The Sons of GOD" will share" READ YOUR BIBLES! Our inheritance is much more Bigger than Heaven's zipcode!

Many do not understand "The Salvation Story" and They have been Born Again! No fault to them, But those who have lead them. have lead them astray, from "The Path" that they may see Their "Destination" even Beyond Heaven, Heaven is not to be compared , where you are headed. You do not know, The type of GOD we Have!!! and what He has instored for us! What GOD The Father has Instored for us, Will "Dazzle" "The SON of GOD The Very "WORD" HIMSELF! Now What do you Think It will Do To us! GOD The Father is giving a "Gift" to HIS SON! "The Salvation Story" is about Him! It is All HIM! I wish i could express all i know of This, but there are no Words that Exists that I can speak, and the words I speak about this matter does not do justice , to The Revealed Truth that is Revealed In Christ Jesus! Even those words fall short.

(John 1).
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

"GOD The FATHER, GOD the SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT" = GOD. And no man with Human Brain alone can understand that with only a "FINITE" mind! Because GOD has made it that way. They are lying if they say they can.

Berean Study Bible
All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.”

Jesus doesn't show everybody He might show John, but Peter and Thomas, that is another thing.

 

[Sue D.]

@PloughBoy -- you have good intentions but you Don't need to be preaching to me. God's being omniscient means that He Knows Everything. No surprises at all.

Actually - with Adam and Eve -- they were told they would die -- they were Meant to live Forever and ever. So -- eventually they Did die. Adam was 930 yrs. old when he died. We aren't told how long Eve lived. Most everyone alive has died physically. Now there have been a couple of men who God 'took up' in the Old Testament. One was either Elijah or Elisha can't remember which one. But everyone else has or will die physically. Unless, of course a person is a born again believer at the time of the rapture and Is taken up with all the rest of them.

Each born again believer is to read God's Word in order to be growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. And there's really no reason a person Can't be knowing more and more about God. No one will be knowing God's Thoughts., though. God's ways are higher than our ways. And His thought higher than Ours. God is infinite and we're finite.

that's what every parent Should be doing with their children.

 

[PloughBoy]

@PloughBoy -- you have good intentions but you Don't need to be preaching to me. God's being omniscient means that He Knows Everything. No surprises at all.

Actually - with Adam and Eve -- they were told they would die -- they were Meant to live Forever and ever. So -- eventually they Did die. Adam was 930 yrs. old when he died. We aren't told how long Eve lived. Most everyone alive has died physically. Now there have been a couple of men who God 'took up' in the Old Testament. One was either Elijah or Elisha can't remember which one. But everyone else has or will die physically. Unless, of course a person is a born again believer at the time of the rapture and Is taken up with all the rest of them.

Each born again believer is to read God's Word in order to be growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. And there's really no reason a person Can't be knowing more and more about God. No one will be knowing God's Thoughts., though. God's ways are higher than our ways. And His thought higher than Ours. God is infinite and we're finite.

that's what every parent Should be doing with their children.

Why are you preaching to me then? Why does God Knows everything? Because He Ordain that which is to come to pass.

Adam and Eve was Not Created to LIVE forever. If they was made to live forever, there would not be a need for A "JESUS" or A Judas, to be created before the FOUNDATIONs of The World. Adam and EVE Created to die! and 'The Adversary" was created to cause them to fall. And Death was Created by GOD as well.
All from the Foundation of The world.
Well some of us was Created from the Foundations of The To Be "Infinite" that we would NEVER die. Jesus was not a second thought of GOD! It is in the plan of GOD. GOD makes no mistakes

Stop being "Obstinate" and treating me like the Antagonist. Because you do need someone to preach to you!

 

[Christ4Ever]

To answer the question as posed by the title: By the Grace of God through our Lord Jesus Christ and being sealed by the Holy Spirit whose seal is our guarantee! - \o/

 

[Sue D.]

@Christ4Ever -- you're exactly right

 

[Sue D.]

@ PloughBoy -- it's probably best that we don't continue to interact with each other. For some reason our personalities are like oil and water which Don't mix. Every so often there Is a subject area that interests me and we do end up interacting briefly. However.........

 

[judge not]

In a sense, what you have said here in this sentence is somewhat true, but "technically surgically Biblically" it is not.
You said here: "A person Still has to make the inner decision to accept Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Savior."

Now, If you will allow me and patiently and skillfully, take the "Word of God" which is "Sharper than a Double Edge Sword". And Let me, let it, do it's work. I will Present "The Gospel According To Jesus Christ" and not according to a "Human being". But how Jesus Christ has Presented it.

(Hebrews 4)BSB
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than anydouble-edged sword, it pierces even to dividingsoul and spirit, joints and marrow. It judges the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight; everything is uncovered and exposed before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.…

God is a "Spirit" and The unregenrated Man is "DEAD" why, because GOD said so! And the only way you can worship GOD is in "Spirit and Truth" why? Because, GOD said so! "Lean not unto Thy own "understanding"!

Jesus said:
New American Standard 1977
“No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws [drags] him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

The Human race Lost their "Ability" to Freely Choose GOD, the Desirer to Love GOD in The Garden of Eden. They Lost there "Freewill to Choose The Things of God" They do not want to choose GOD! They became Slaves to their own desirers, Bond Slaves unto SIn. And They now "Love Darkness rather Than Light" They have no "Ability" to Love GOD. For this was also "The Will of GOD"! in order, To "The Manifestation of The Glory of GOD that will be Reveal throughout Eternity"

John 6:65
"And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."

And we must Remember this, Just Because you have been "Born Again" and wash in The Blood of His SON and Born of God's Spirit, does not mean you Know "The Father".
For Jesus has also said:
Matthew 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

GOD is The Creator of All Things, not some things, ALL. He is The Creator of The "Wheat" He is The Creator of "The Tares"! There is No Other "Creator" and whatsoever comes to past "Has Been Ordain by GOD" And Nothing "SUPER RULES" over HIM. His "WILL", is Always DONE"! And The "FINITE" mind cannot "Comprehend" The Infinite, The InComprehensible", and if they think they can, they have become a Fool, because they have just Proclaim, that "There is No GOD! Finite Cannot Understand an "InComprehensible GOD" and Neither Can You Understand "The Doctrine of "The Trinity" and The Triune GOD" we cannot even have even a Imagination of "The Triune GOD" or How He even Exists!

The day Adam and EVE disobeyed GOD, They DIED a True DEATH. So don't try to figure it out and explain it away! But believe the "WORD of GOD"!

And our GOD is not so WEAK, that He has to LOOK down through time and see who will Choose and except Him as their personal Savoir.

Our GOD is ALL POWERFUL He chooses and Ordains what is to come to pass, He is Not A "HUMAN BEING" HE does not even think like one, HE does not even have a MIND, HE is a Creator of MINDS, a mind is a created thing, that will be Destroyed HE is GOD All by Himself.

Now last but not least, concerning Jesus Christ: You said: Sue D.
Born again believers Are brothers and sisters in Christ. But no one becomes a 'brother' of God. Jesus Christ is the Son of God by virtue of the face of the trinity. God the Father, Jesus Christ His son and the holy Spirit. [It is impossible for a "finite mind" to understand "The Trinity"]

That is why They Crucified "Jesus Christ", because He made HimSELF Equal to "GOD" by claiming He was "THE SON OF GOD". I see by what you said, The Pharisees and The Religious Rulers understood more about "The Gospel of According to Jesus Christ" than you!

You do not see "Jesus Christ" as "The WORD of GOD" wrap up in Flesh, a Special Body Created by GOD the FAther before The FOUNDATIONS of Everything That Exists.
I will say Again many speak about "The Trinity" they know nothing about what they speak. They Have not even Read The ones who "Coined" the Term
"The Trinty" and How the term came to be. They No nothing about "Tertullian or Augustine" and There conclusion on the term and why it was coined,
And it has become so embarrasing to me, how "Christians" spread their wings in using the term, like they know what they are talking about, and it has become useless to engage them. They just keep wandering further and further out into "The Dark and Black" Sea, where it is dark and cold.

And now we have so many 'christians' who have been in our 'churches' for decades who think they are "born of The Spirit of The Living GOD" and they are not. They have no idea what the "Holy Spirit" is or "The Son of The Living GOD" but they do church, but the Love of God is not upon their lips, You cannot fell the Love that they have for GOD when they speak about HIm. When a true Child of God Speaks about His Brother , the brother who will share the inheritance, That Our Father will Give US. "The Mystery that Has Hidden before The Foundations of The World" That even The Prophets of Old, Knew Nothing about. But NOW HAVE BEEN REVEALED to us "THE ELECT of GOD' "A Royal Priesthood" "The SONS of GOD" that will "Reign" throughout Eternity! and Shine Brighter than all the Stars that will every exist!

And The People of the World and All "Nominal Christians" will never know nor taste or receive a hint of that what is to be. No Idea whatsoever, what GOD has instored for us!

"True Children Of GOD" don't let them fool you, they do not undertand, don't let them make you think you are like them, You are different, and GOD has let you know that through His WORD, They cannot see beyond their "Human Mind" They cannot go no further, than "human understand of Biblical words, written in their Bibles. You are different. You was Created different, before The Beginning of "Time"! You was planted before The Foundations, and all your life, somehow you knew you was different before you was "BORN AGAIN". And you knew, that This world has to be more than this! "GOD put something special in you before the world existed. [This is document throughout the whole Bible] concerning you! It was Him, Nothing you have done. GOD put that LOVE in You, from the Foundation of The Word. That seed in you had to be watered and fertilize, by His methods.
( 1 Cor. 2)
However, as it is written:
“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived” —
the things God has prepared for those who love him—
these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, for,
“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”


PS. Jesus had 3 sisters and 4 brothers, and their names are recorded in the New Testament, in The Gospels. I have read their names "hundreds' of times throughout the 40 plus years. I have read them so much, I can see visions of them, in "Nazareth" and in the streets of Capernaum" and can see them pleading with Jesus to come home, I can see them worrying about Him, thinking He has lost His mind, I can see his mother sleeping on a strangers dirt floor as Jesus going from town to town. I can see, His sisters one who is also called "Mary', I can see, Them "Anna and Salome'. and He also had a Aunt name "Mary" too!

All of his brothers and sisters, didn't like Him growing up. It is told and spoken of in The OT. and in The Psalms. and they didn't understand what they where speaking and Prophesying about. But have been reveal in "Christ jesus".

(Mark 6)
“Where did this man get these things?” they asked. “What’s this wisdom that has been given him? What are these remarkable miracles he is performing? Isn’t this the carpenter? Isn’t this Mary’s son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren’t his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.

Is not this a shame, these are "elementary" things that little children should know about Jesus who are 5 and 6 year olds. We have fallen so low in "Training our Children in "The WAY" they should go. "We have train them to be "Good Christians" but Fell to Train them, in "The WAY".
Many think the World loved Jesus, They didn't . They hated him, even those he fed and healed, They apppreciated the food and healing, and they honor him with their words, but they Hated HIM without a cause. They hated His words, They hated his preaching! This is not taught.
When I talk to little Children ABOUT JESUS, 8, 9 10, 11, year olds, They are amazed, they light up, I tell them how the world treated Jesus, i let them read it for themselves, and I talk to them about Eternal Life, I tell them about how GOD is going to Destroy Heaven and The Earth. and what he is going to do and Our Inheritance in Jesus! Their eyes light up, and they always ask me, When the next time they see me would I talk about GOD again. The setting is never in a church. Where ever The Spirit of GOD compels me, and I feel the Holy Oil of GOD pours upon me. and I do all of it, just like He wants me to do and say it the way He wants me to say it.
Over 40 years of experience of doing it, that way.

I wonder what is going to happen at "The Bema Seat" My Heart always tremble when I think about it. "Did I do it the way, you wanted me too" Did I please you, instead of Pleasing Man? For If I please man, I know I have not, please you.

(Galatians 1)BSB
As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be under a curse! Am I now seeking the approval of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. For I certify to you, brothers, that the gospel I preached was not devised by man.…

Thank you for your Patience:

May the LORD Breathe the Breath of life upon all of us, That Loves "His Truth" and "GOD the SON who was wrap in Flesh and walked among us "Full of Grace and Truth"

King James Version
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
English Standard Version
The LORD says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.”

If GOD The Father Have Called "Jesus", GOD! who are we to speak differently?

New American Standard Bible
But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM. (HEB. 1:8).
A Inheritance "The Sons of GOD" will share" READ YOUR BIBLES! Our inheritance is much more Bigger than Heaven's zipcode!

Many do not understand "The Salvation Story" and They have been Born Again! No fault to them, But those who have lead them. have lead them astray, from "The Path" that they may see Their "Destination" even Beyond Heaven, Heaven is not to be compared , where you are headed. You do not know, The type of GOD we Have!!! and what He has instored for us! What GOD The Father has Instored for us, Will "Dazzle" "The SON of GOD The Very "WORD" HIMSELF! Now What do you Think It will Do To us! GOD The Father is giving a "Gift" to HIS SON! "The Salvation Story" is about Him! It is All HIM! I wish i could express all i know of This, but there are no Words that Exists that I can speak, and the words I speak about this matter does not do justice , to The Revealed Truth that is Revealed In Christ Jesus! Even those words fall short.

(John 1).
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

"GOD The FATHER, GOD the SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT" = GOD. And no man with Human Brain alone can understand that with only a "FINITE" mind! Because GOD has made it that way. They are lying if they say they can.

Berean Study Bible
All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.”

Jesus doesn't show everybody He might show John, but Peter and Thomas, that is another thing.

is God all knowing when it comes to human beings? Has He already predetermined our lives? Consider the perspective that God planned the purpose for human beings in the beginning to be His sons and daughters although He doesn't know what each of us will do versus His plan that He already knows what we all are going to do. Didn't God give us free will? in Debut 30:19 God encouraged the Israelites to " Choose life" by living His way in order to receive blessings. if God already knew what choice they would make then this encouragement would have been pointless. Doesn't God hold us accountable for the choices we make? If a Christian makes poor choices or drifts away from God, he or she can lose salvation - Heb 6:4-6. Remember many are called but few are chosen.

 

[Sue D.]

@ judge not -- Because God is all-knowing -- He Does know exactly what will happen -- and He is the Only One with that knowledge. And God Knew what we would choose in the process Of giving us 'free will'. God will Always encourage us to do the right thing and He Also knows when we Won't.

Thing is that We don't -- we need to have faith that His will is the best for us. He wants us to follow Him because we Want to follow Him, He won't force us. He Does give us Strong desires to do 'whatever'. Encouragement is Never pointless.

Those who Are 'called' Will eventually 'answer' -- even if it's on their 'death bed'. But don't wait until you are on your death bed because if you're hit from behind -- you might not 'see' your end.

 

[Dave M]

To answer the question as posed by the title: By the Grace of God through our Lord Jesus Christ and being sealed by the Holy Spirit whose seal is our guarantee! - \o/

If I came up to you on the street asked you to pray for me, then I asked you if I was going to heaven what you you say??

 

[PloughBoy]

is God all knowing when it comes to human beings? Has He already predetermined our lives? Consider the perspective that God planned the purpose for human beings in the beginning to be His sons and daughters although He doesn't know what each of us will do versus His plan that He already knows what we all are going to do. Didn't God give us free will? in Debut 30:19 God encouraged the Israelites to " Choose life" by living His way in order to receive blessings. if God already knew what choice they would make then this encouragement would have been pointless. Doesn't God hold us accountable for the choices we make? If a Christian makes poor choices or drifts away from God, he or she can lose salvation - Heb 6:4-6. Remember many are called but few are chosen.

GOD is GOD! Did GOD give Man "Free WILL", Yes in ,"The Garden of Eden", And Man, "Chose" to ReBel against GOD. So GOD "Curse" The entire "Creation" and Man Lost his "Ability to Chose GOD" and Became trap and a Slave into "The BONDAGE of SIN" ,Until a "SAVIOR" would come. Man fall resulted, He has No will To Chose GOD , His, only Will is to "Self, The Devil, wickedness, lie, steal, cheat, lust, deceive, and served this world, But to Please GOD, he died!
Dead in Trespasses, sins. And There is nothing you can do to save yourself, YOu have to be drawed by GOD to call even, on the name of JESUS to be saved! Your faith has to be given to you By GOD to even to believe in "Christ" in order to be save.

(Ephesians 2)
"And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."

DID GOD Create, The World and all Creation to be destroyed in His "Divine' Plan" before The Foundations of The World", Did GOD create "The Adversary", Death, Lake of Fire" in His "Blue Prints" before The Foundation of The World" Did God Create The Great Flood in His "Blue Prints" Before The Foundations of The Cosmos? Did God, Create and design "The WORD of GOD's" Body that came forth from "Mary's" BODY and Name Him "EMMANUEL" BEFORE The Foundations of The World? Did God prepared that Body in order To Travel down Through all of Those Generations by design with "Purpose" Before The Beginning, Did HE "Ordain" That His SON, would DIE a Violent and Terrible Death by His decree, In the very "Blue Prints" of His "Plan" and design Before The World or Heaven even existed? And what did the Bible say, why The World exists and purpose by "design'? I will remind those, who "believe' and Those who do not believe nor understand The Very "Word of GOD" or who He is. A World that was design to be Destroyed.

(Romans 8)NASB 1977
" For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the {riddance} of our body. For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one also hope for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it."

"judge not" ask this question: "Has He already predetermined our lives?" Answer: Yes He has. "The Bible" tells us so "The Salvation Story".

The " Sons of GOD" are being "Created" The people of The world does not understand this. There are a group also that are called "The Elect of GOD" and our lives have been "Predetermined" we are "Predestine" being Shaped and Molded by GOD and earth is one of the Tools that GOD has made to Create us into what HE wants us to be. Into The Image of His only begotten Son. Our Brother of "The 1st Born" of a New Creature In that person, The WORD of GOD, that became flesh and walked among us. "Yeshua Hamashiach"

(Eph. 1)BSB
"as a plan for the fullness of time, to bring all things in heaven and on earth together in Christ. In Him we were also chosen as God’s own,having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will, in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, would be for the praise of His glory.…"

(Romans 8:)
For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers.
And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.

Our Destination is not here, God has not made us to "Make Satan world a better world" and to improve it and our design is not for this place. Like Jesus said: This is Not my Kingdom. GOD's plan before The Foundations of The World the WORLD WILL BE DESTROYED! He Did Not Make "The Lake of Fire and Brimstone" yesterday after things got bad. so He had a plan B. Just in case "Mankind" would not obey Him. Everything GOD does is PERFECT,

 

[Christ4Ever]

If I came up to you on the street asked you to pray for me, then I asked you if I was going to heaven what you you say??

Dear Brother,
Since you are my Brother in Christ Jesus, my answer to your question would be "I hope so".

However, I think you mean if a stranger came up to me. I would ask "Why did you come to me to pray for you?" "Why do you not pray?" "If you want I will pray with you?" "For wherever there are two or more gathered in Christ Jesus; He is there in their midst."

If God uses me to help another who has been drawn to Him, that I will do. However, I cannot receive Him for them. That is something they must do themselves.

I hope I answered the question that you were seeking to be answered Dear Brother.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
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[judge not]

GOD is GOD! Did GOD give Man "Free WILL", Yes in ,"The Garden of Eden", And Man, "Chose" to ReBel against GOD. So GOD "Curse" The entire "Creation" and Man Lost his "Ability to Chose GOD" and Became trap and a Slave into "The BONDAGE of SIN" ,Until a "SAVIOR" would come. Man fall resulted, He has No will To Chose GOD , His, only Will is to "Self, The Devil, wickedness, lie, steal, cheat, lust, deceive, and served this world, But to Please GOD, he died!
Dead in Trespasses, sins. And There is nothing you can do to save yourself, YOu have to be drawed by GOD to call even, on the name of JESUS to be saved! Your faith has to be given to you By GOD to even to believe in "Christ" in order to be save.

(Ephesians 2)
"And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."

DID GOD Create, The World and all Creation to be destroyed in His "Divine' Plan" before The Foundations of The World", Did GOD create "The Adversary", Death, Lake of Fire" in His "Blue Prints" before The Foundation of The World" Did God Create The Great Flood in His "Blue Prints" Before The Foundations of The Cosmos? Did God, Create and design "The WORD of GOD's" Body that came forth from "Mary's" BODY and Name Him "EMMANUEL" BEFORE The Foundations of The World? Did God prepared that Body in order To Travel down Through all of Those Generations by design with "Purpose" Before The Beginning, Did HE "Ordain" That His SON, would DIE a Violent and Terrible Death by His decree, In the very "Blue Prints" of His "Plan" and design Before The World or Heaven even existed? And what did the Bible say, why The World exists and purpose by "design'? I will remind those, who "believe' and Those who do not believe nor understand The Very "Word of GOD" or who He is. A World that was design to be Destroyed.

(Romans 8)NASB 1977
" For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us. For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now. And not only this, but also we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the {riddance} of our body. For in hope we have been saved, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one also hope for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it."

"judge not" ask this question: "Has He already predetermined our lives?" Answer: Yes He has. "The Bible" tells us so "The Salvation Story".

The " Sons of GOD" are being "Created" The people of The world does not understand this. There are a group also that are called "The Elect of GOD" and our lives have been "Predetermined" we are "Predestine" being Shaped and Molded by GOD and earth is one of the Tools that GOD has made to Create us into what HE wants us to be. Into The Image of His only begotten Son. Our Brother of "The 1st Born" of a New Creature In that person, The WORD of GOD, that became flesh and walked among us. "Yeshua Hamashiach"

(Eph. 1)BSB
"as a plan for the fullness of time, to bring all things in heaven and on earth together in Christ. In Him we were also chosen as God’s own,having been predestined according to the plan of Him who works out everything by the counsel of His will, in order that we, who were the first to hope in Christ, would be for the praise of His glory.…"

(Romans 8:)
For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers.
And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.

Our Destination is not here, God has not made us to "Make Satan world a better world" and to improve it and our design is not for this place. Like Jesus said: This is Not my Kingdom. GOD's plan before The Foundations of The World the WORLD WILL BE DESTROYED! He Did Not Make "The Lake of Fire and Brimstone" yesterday after things got bad. so He had a plan B. Just in case "Mankind" would not obey Him. Everything GOD does is PERFECT,

If our ultimate fate is determined in advance then we are not free moral agents and we have nothing to say about it. We know the Bible says there is only one name we may be saved-Jesus Christ. But throughout the world hundreds of millions souls have never even heard the only name. Can they be saved? There is nothing in the Bible anywhere that says anyone is predestined to be LOST. Predestination has nothing to do with your fate it only has to do with the time of your calling.

 

[PloughBoy]

If our ultimate fate is determined in advance then we are not free moral agents and we have nothing to say about it. We know the Bible says there is only one name we may be saved-Jesus Christ. But throughout the world hundreds of millions souls have never even heard the only name. Can they be saved? There is nothing in the Bible anywhere that says anyone is predestined to be LOST. Predestination has nothing to do with your fate it only has to do with the time of your calling.

But there is a lot in the BIBLE, that says "We are all "condemn" and Damn and "The Wrath of GOD" is upon us, And it Takes a "GOD" to save us! And No one can save HIMself. But we all are "Guilty" and there is nothing you can do to save yourself, ANd Just Because a Judge forgives you of a Crime, does not mean he will not sentence you to be hang by your neck, until you are dead! It takes "Grace" in this case "Divine Grace", The Theif that hung beside JESUS on the Cross, not one time in "The Bible" Confess His sins or ask for forgiveness not one time or was he Baptize. The only words that was recorded coming out of his mouth in the "2 Synoptic Gospels" Was as such: Matt: and Mark both said, that "Both Thieves Mocked JESUS. But in "Luke" One of the criminals recorded words was liken to this with a reply from Jesus:

(Luke 23)BSB
39One of the criminals who hung there heaped abuse on Him. “Are You not the Christ?” he said. “Save Yourself and us!”
40But the other one rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same judgment? 41We are punished justly, for we are receiving what our actions deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.” 42Then he said, “Jesus, remember mej when You come into Your kingdom!”
43And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today", you will be with Me in Paradise.”

And if 'GOD' sends everyone to "The Lake of FIre Burning with Brimstone" He is Justified and we all have received "Justice" for what we deserve. The only reason He has saved some, It is called "Grace" and "Mercy"! He have not given some what we deserve. But everyone else That goes to Hell receives "Justice" and those who don't receives "mercy and Grace" not earn less any one should ,boast [what They DID, to be saved from eternal fire] You did absolutely nothing! But I know you want to "Boast"! You want to "Brag" so bad, you cannot sit still! You want to raise your "HAND" ooh,ooh

"For all Have Sin" He is talking about us!
What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. As it is written:

“There is no one righteous, not even one;
there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
“Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
“Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
ruin and misery mark their ways,
and the way of peace they do not know.”
“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

GOD is Not A Human being. GOD is GOD, everything else is like a piece of Clay or dirt to HIm. All Creation is HIS, let Him Worry about who will go into The Furnace. and who will not. You need to read The Book of JOB again. No one tells GOD what to do with His creation. And did not Jesus say, only a Few will get saved and Many will try to make it in , but cannot make it in, And he is going to shut the door on some, when they come knocking it.

And during they Great Flood He Only save 8 souls and out those 8 only one soul found flavor, that was "Noah" the other 7 seven was wicked. The got Mercy! Maybe that is why "Noah" got drunk" he had to deal with those 7.

(Genesis 6)BSB
5Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was altogether evil all the time. 6And the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7So the LORD said, “I will blot out man, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—every man and beast and crawling creature and bird of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.”

8Noah, however, found favor in the eyes of the LORD.
9This is the account of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation; Noah walked with God. 10And Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and full of violence. 12And God looked upon the earth and saw that it was corrupt; for all living creatures on the earth had corrupted their ways. [But Noah} only! The other 7, still Corrupted.

 

[judge not]

But there is a lot in the BIBLE, that says "We are all "condemn" and Damn and "The Wrath of GOD" is upon us, And it Takes a "GOD" to save us! And No one can save HIMself. But we all are "Guilty" and there is nothing you can do to save yourself, ANd Just Because a Judge forgives you of a Crime, does not mean he will not sentence you to be hang by your neck, until you are dead! It takes "Grace" in this case "Divine Grace", The Theif that hung beside JESUS on the Cross, not one time in "The Bible" Confess His sins or ask for forgiveness not one time or was he Baptize. The only words that was recorded coming out of his mouth in the "2 Synoptic Gospels" Was as such: Matt: and Mark both said, that "Both Thieves Mocked JESUS. But in "Luke" One of the criminals recorded words was liken to this with a reply from Jesus:

(Luke 23)BSB
39One of the criminals who hung there heaped abuse on Him. “Are You not the Christ?” he said. “Save Yourself and us!”
40But the other one rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same judgment? 41We are punished justly, for we are receiving what our actions deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.” 42Then he said, “Jesus, remember mej when You come into Your kingdom!”
43And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today", you will be with Me in Paradise.”

And if 'GOD' sends everyone to "The Lake of FIre Burning with Brimstone" He is Justified and we all have received "Justice" for what we deserve. The only reason He has saved some, It is called "Grace" and "Mercy"! He have not given some what we deserve. But everyone else That goes to Hell receives "Justice" and those who don't receives "mercy and Grace" not earn less any one should ,boast [what They DID, to be saved from eternal fire] You did absolutely nothing! But I know you want to "Boast"! You want to "Brag" so bad, you cannot sit still! You want to raise your "HAND" ooh,ooh

"For all Have Sin" He is talking about us!
What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. As it is written:

“There is no one righteous, not even one;
there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.”
“Their throats are open graves;
their tongues practice deceit.”
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”
“Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
ruin and misery mark their ways,
and the way of peace they do not know.”
“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

GOD is Not A Human being. GOD is GOD, everything else is like a piece of Clay or dirt to HIm. All Creation is HIS, let Him Worry about who will go into The Furnace. and who will not. You need to read The Book of JOB again. No one tells GOD what to do with His creation. And did not Jesus say, only a Few will get saved and Many will try to make it in , but cannot make it in, And he is going to shut the door on some, when they come knocking it.

And during they Great Flood He Only save 8 souls and out those 8 only one soul found flavor, that was "Noah" the other 7 seven was wicked. The got Mercy! Maybe that is why "Noah" got drunk" he had to deal with those 7.

(Genesis 6)BSB
5Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great upon the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was altogether evil all the time. 6And the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7So the LORD said, “I will blot out man, whom I have created, from the face of the earth—every man and beast and crawling creature and bird of the air—for I am grieved that I have made them.”

8Noah, however, found favor in the eyes of the LORD.
9This is the account of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generation; Noah walked with God. 10And Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

11Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and full of violence. 12And God looked upon the earth and saw that it was corrupt; for all living creatures on the earth had corrupted their ways. [But Noah} only! The other 7, still Corrupted.

There is no scriptural evidence that we are Predestined to be lost. We are all condemned from our beginning until we accept Jesus sacrifice for the remission of our sins - the penalty under the law. There are only 4 places in the NT where the word " predestinated " occurs. Romans 8:28-30, Eph 1:4-5, 11-12, 2 Tim 1-9. These all only speak of our calling now or later. Only those called now were foreknown and predestinated. Again what about the hundreds of millions that have died before and the billions that have no idea about salvation. Will they have a chance later to be saved?

 

[PloughBoy]

There is no scriptural evidence that we are Predestined to be lost. We are all condemned from our beginning until we accept Jesus sacrifice for the remission of our sins - the penalty under the law. There are only 4 places in the NT where the word " predestinated " occurs. Romans 8:28-30, Eph 1:4-5, 11-12, 2 Tim 1-9. These all only speak of our calling now or later. Only those called now were foreknown and predestinated. Again what about the hundreds of millions that have died before and the billions that have no idea about salvation. Will they have a chance later to be saved?

You are mix in errors, by not knowing the "Holy Scriptures" as A Book and "The Salvation Story"! Neither do you understand some "Biblical Terminology". So far , it seems, You only know bits a pieces of "translations" and what the "institutional church" have taught you. Since this is the Case, you can only produce what has been planted in you! And The truth presented to you, only could be darkness or light! That is why you see me as a presenter of "darkness and not Light, And you see me as a Representive of SATAN the devil himself who teaches lies, and a enemy of GOD and Not Gifted by The Holy SPiIRIT of GOD but a "False Teacher and Evil because of the information that has been presented to you.

There is no such thng in GOD but a Teacher of Lies or A teacher of Truth! There is no middle ground. And "sin" is "missing the mark".

This Truth I have been Studying over 42 years and have not lighted up, But Steadfast. In this same "Truth"!
And I trust no man, But been Taught By The Holy Spirit of GOD into all things. And I will not Deny these Truths in the Name of Jesus Christ, He called and Chose me, and I did not choose HIM! Maybe you chose HIM! then You got saved! Not me! I know what I DID , Nothing! He saved me First and filled me with the "Holy Ghost" then I pick up a BIBLE and read from front to back over 100 time or better, the Whole Bible. "KJV, NIV 1979, ASV, RSV, GENEVA 1590, Learn Biblical Terminology, Learn the English syntax over again, learn How to read Greek Lexicons , Hebrew Lexicons, Englishman's Greek Concordances, Englishman's Hebrew Concordances , Vine's New testament word's, Roman History, How Greek Language game into being and understand why GOD had the Greek Language created target "New Testament" words. The Roman Catholic History, the Popes, The Church Fathers, "The Reformation", The Reformers, Luther, Calvin, Wycliffe, Huss, Knox, Whitfield, Tyndale, Wesley, both brothers, Augustine, Polycarp, Tertulillan, I even studied The Roman Emperors! I study Jonathan Edwards, and many more. I did not study what they taught, I study their "Biographies" I study the culture of the different biblcial characters of Their time period of the biblical writings I studied how "The Canon of Scripture" came to be, I have studied "The Apocrypha Book", I have read the Jewish Historian "Flavius Josephus" I have read "The Septuagint" and browse "pseudepigrapha and non-canonical books and a lot more that were available before the" Internet servers had been downloaded" with information" by "Reliable and documented sources" I use the dictionaries and THE "ISBE" that the WORD of GOD translation use to write and translate 'The English speaking Bible" and have a copy of the very Books used to translate the King James Version in my Library. And lot more I can say concerning my "Ability" to Intrepret words of the bible and their texual meaning, I have use since 1977 the grammatical historical method of hermeneutics. I Know what" Methodology & Hermeneutics i use concerning "Bibical interpretation" My School of Thought is not "Religion" but "Reformed Theology"in Theology Proper" and futher I stand with "The Chicago STATEMENT OF BIBLIICAL INERRANCY"OF 1978

"Faith without Works are dead! I will show you my Faith by my works" "Study to show thyself unto GOD" I got saved and filled with The "Holy Ghost" in 1977 in a "SteelFactory" a person who didn't trust no man, pastor, deacon and especially churches! And did't know what the "HOLY SPIRIT" was.

New American Standard 1977
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handling accurately the word of truth.
King James 2000 Bible
Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The Problem with a lot of Christians they have been taught the meaning of words in the "Arminianism Theology" from the Beginning of Their christian walk and not giving a "freewiil" to hear both sides of the argument and then choose according to their own personal Bible reading, Such as was presented at "The Synod of Dort" 1619 And given the freewill to explore Biblical words at the time of writings. like the words "predestination; and foreknew" and the word "draws", these words are translations, Then one most understand word translations from different kinds of Languages and their syntax. And "Christianity" has always been dominated by countless bias groups of "Nominal christians"and non-christians" and "Denominations" that way outnumber "The Few , True Christians"! of "sound doctrine" To prove, The Few True are wrong. Like it alway have been, since Christianity began or coined around A.D. 60, about 25 years after Jesus died and was raise from the grave.

Shalom, in the name of

Yeshua Hamashiach.
(Romans 10)BSB
I ask instead, did Israel not understand? First, Moses says: “I will make you jealous by those who are not a nation; I will make you angry by a nation without understanding.” And Isaiah boldly says: “I was found by those who did not seek Me; I revealed Myself to those who did not ask for Me.” But as for Israel he says: “All day long I have held out My hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.”…
Isaiah 65:1
"I revealed Myself to those who did not ask for Me; I was found by those who did not seek Me. I said, 'Here I am! Here I am!' to a nation that did not call My name."

I am a Living proof of that "prophecy"! I read that myself and no man show me that in the BIBLE! 1st time i read the Bible, I read it in 7 days from front to back and miss not one word in The KJV Oxford edition copyright 1967 and within one year read it at least 10 to 15 times from front to back and at the same time the New Testament maybe over a 100 times I worn the paper out every page. I slept with the Bible in the bed hugging it wrap in my arms every night. It was better than sex LOL! I thought every christian did that! I was dumb as a box of rocks. Especially when i found most Pastors have never read the BIBLE from front to back. And most christians only read favorite verses. over and over again.

I kinda laugh when A.W. Tozer Bio writer wrote that A.W. wife said: That A.W. loved "Jesus" and Her 2nd Husband Loved her, after A.W. died. And The Bio writer, wrote it in a way that made A.W. Tozer look bad. But her 2 nd husband got saved by the teachings of A.W. Tozer who died at the age of 66, she was 64. But her and A.W. had 7 kids together 6 boys and 1 girl.

 

[Brightfame52]

Does one get saved by simply responding to a alter call at a church?? or saying a prayer ????

By no means. Salvation is totally out of the control of man, and solely a distinctive work of God, and that only for a limited distinguished people called Gods Elect 2 Tim 2:10

10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

 

[judge not]

By no means. Salvation is totally out of the control of man, and solely a distinctive work of God, and that only for a limited distinguished people called Gods Elect 2 Tim 2:10

10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

You are mix in errors, by not knowing the "Holy Scriptures" as A Book and "The Salvation Story"! Neither do you understand some "Biblical Terminology". So far , it seems, You only know bits a pieces of "translations" and what the "institutional church" have taught you. Since this is the Case, you can only produce what has been planted in you! And The truth presented to you, only could be darkness or light! That is why you see me as a presenter of "darkness and not Light, And you see me as a Representive of SATAN the devil himself who teaches lies, and a enemy of GOD and Not Gifted by The Holy SPiIRIT of GOD but a "False Teacher and Evil because of the information that has been presented to you.

There is no such thng in GOD but a Teacher of Lies or A teacher of Truth! There is no middle ground. And "sin" is "missing the mark".

This Truth I have been Studying over 42 years and have not lighted up, But Steadfast. In this same "Truth"!
And I trust no man, But been Taught By The Holy Spirit of GOD into all things. And I will not Deny these Truths in the Name of Jesus Christ, He called and Chose me, and I did not choose HIM! Maybe you chose HIM! then You got saved! Not me! I know what I DID , Nothing! He saved me First and filled me with the "Holy Ghost" then I pick up a BIBLE and read from front to back over 100 time or better, the Whole Bible. "KJV, NIV 1979, ASV, RSV, GENEVA 1590, Learn Biblical Terminology, Learn the English syntax over again, learn How to read Greek Lexicons , Hebrew Lexicons, Englishman's Greek Concordances, Englishman's Hebrew Concordances , Vine's New testament word's, Roman History, How Greek Language game into being and understand why GOD had the Greek Language created target "New Testament" words. The Roman Catholic History, the Popes, The Church Fathers, "The Reformation", The Reformers, Luther, Calvin, Wycliffe, Huss, Knox, Whitfield, Tyndale, Wesley, both brothers, Augustine, Polycarp, Tertulillan, I even studied The Roman Emperors! I study Jonathan Edwards, and many more. I did not study what they taught, I study their "Biographies" I study the culture of the different biblcial characters of Their time period of the biblical writings I studied how "The Canon of Scripture" came to be, I have studied "The Apocrypha Book", I have read the Jewish Historian "Flavius Josephus" I have read "The Septuagint" and browse "pseudepigrapha and non-canonical books and a lot more that were available before the" Internet servers had been downloaded" with information" by "Reliable and documented sources" I use the dictionaries and THE "ISBE" that the WORD of GOD translation use to write and translate 'The English speaking Bible" and have a copy of the very Books used to translate the King James Version in my Library. And lot more I can say concerning my "Ability" to Intrepret words of the bible and their texual meaning, I have use since 1977 the grammatical historical method of hermeneutics. I Know what" Methodology & Hermeneutics i use concerning "Bibical interpretation" My School of Thought is not "Religion" but "Reformed Theology"in Theology Proper" and futher I stand with "The Chicago STATEMENT OF BIBLIICAL INERRANCY"OF 1978

"Faith without Works are dead! I will show you my Faith by my works" "Study to show thyself unto GOD" I got saved and filled with The "Holy Ghost" in 1977 in a "SteelFactory" a person who didn't trust no man, pastor, deacon and especially churches! And did't know what the "HOLY SPIRIT" was.

New American Standard 1977
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handling accurately the word of truth.
King James 2000 Bible
Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The Problem with a lot of Christians they have been taught the meaning of words in the "Arminianism Theology" from the Beginning of Their christian walk and not giving a "freewiil" to hear both sides of the argument and then choose according to their own personal Bible reading, Such as was presented at "The Synod of Dort" 1619 And given the freewill to explore Biblical words at the time of writings. like the words "predestination; and foreknew" and the word "draws", these words are translations, Then one most understand word translations from different kinds of Languages and their syntax. And "Christianity" has always been dominated by countless bias groups of "Nominal christians"and non-christians" and "Denominations" that way outnumber "The Few , True Christians"! of "sound doctrine" To prove, The Few True are wrong. Like it alway have been, since Christianity began or coined around A.D. 60, about 25 years after Jesus died and was raise from the grave.

Shalom, in the name of

Yeshua Hamashiach.
(Romans 10)BSB
I ask instead, did Israel not understand? First, Moses says: “I will make you jealous by those who are not a nation; I will make you angry by a nation without understanding.” And Isaiah boldly says: “I was found by those who did not seek Me; I revealed Myself to those who did not ask for Me.” But as for Israel he says: “All day long I have held out My hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.”…
Isaiah 65:1
"I revealed Myself to those who did not ask for Me; I was found by those who did not seek Me. I said, 'Here I am! Here I am!' to a nation that did not call My name."

I am a Living proof of that "prophecy"! I read that myself and no man show me that in the BIBLE! 1st time i read the Bible, I read it in 7 days from front to back and miss not one word in The KJV Oxford edition copyright 1967 and within one year read it at least 10 to 15 times from front to back and at the same time the New Testament maybe over a 100 times I worn the paper out every page. I slept with the Bible in the bed hugging it wrap in my arms every night. It was better than sex LOL! I thought every christian did that! I was dumb as a box of rocks. Especially when i found most Pastors have never read the BIBLE from front to back. And most christians only read favorite verses. over and over again.

I kinda laugh when A.W. Tozer Bio writer wrote that A.W. wife said: That A.W. loved "Jesus" and Her 2nd Husband Loved her, after A.W. died. And The Bio writer, wrote it in a way that made A.W. Tozer look bad. But her 2 nd husband got saved by the teachings of A.W. Tozer who died at the age of 66, she was 64. But her and A.W. had 7 kids together 6 boys and 1 girl.

I operate under the premise of sola scriptural not hermeneutics. Interpretations vary. Overall I follow the salvation plan as laid out in the Bible as a process. Salvation comes with conditions. Just having faith is not enough but it is part of the necessary requirements in phase one. Repentance follows with Baptism and the laying on of hands to receive the Holy Spirit. Afterwards obedience is mandatory like keeping the commandments and doing the will of the Father. Salvation can not be earned but it does have some perquisites. We are currently in a state of an ongoing salvation and ultimately when we are changed into a Spiritual being we then are Saved. Remember the Bible repeatedly warns us that we can lose that Salvation if we fall away.

 

[Brightfame52]

I operate under the premise of sola scriptural not hermeneutics. Interpretations vary. Overall I follow the salvation plan as laid out in the Bible as a process. Salvation comes with conditions. Just having faith is not enough but it is part of the necessary requirements in phase one. Repentance follows with Baptism and the laying on of hands to receive the Holy Spirit. Afterwards obedience is mandatory like keeping the commandments and doing the will of the Father. Salvation can not be earned but it does have some perquisites. We are currently in a state of an ongoing salvation and ultimately when we are changed into a Spiritual being we then are Saved. Remember the Bible repeatedly warns us that we can lose that Salvation if we fall away.

This is typical salvation by works!