If the church is “Raptured” in this generation, what are the people left still, in the “Institutionalized church”, called?

[PloughBoy]

After the “Rapture” of the true “church”. People still have the Written “Word of God”. For preaching and how to live, and pass history and the things to come. They know they will have to died violent deaths, they know they will be betrayed by their families, false friends, and many of them will starve to death. For it is written. They will have to be faithful unto death! For it is written. And they will be looking for the 2nd coming of Christ with His Saints to reign upon the earth for a 1000 years. During those 1000 years of reign many will be born, many will except Christ and many will deny Him. At the end of the 1000 year reign Nations will come up against Christ and HIS Saints to make war with us! But GOD will not let them prevail ! God will send His “Angels” through out the World at that time to gather up His “Elect” that comes out of that “1000” year time period that had not died! There are people who died in the 1000 year reign that are in Heaven all ready that had died during those other events. The Great Tribulation, the 1000 year reign.
This is why so many Christians are confused when they read the book of Revelation, because sometimes the events are taking place at one time parallel but it has to back track to capture the event. That is why John said: he was taken by the Angel. God does not live in time. So He is not bound by those “Parameters”.
And most of the time we even as “Christians” try to put GOD into our “Parameters” of thoughts. Time, space, creation, life, death, Sheol, Heaven, Satan, Arch Angels, The “Parameters” we cannot determine how they operate, the only thing we can determine is, they exists. And they operates in the parameter of God for His purpose and not ours.

 

[PloughBoy]

Do any “Christians” ever read the book of Ezekiel or the book of Isaiah, Jeremiah???

the things I heard or read what they say. I do not think they do!!!!
They claim they know the character of God . By their Words it sounds like they have created a “imaginary” God of their mind from “cherry” picking Gods word.
They sound more like the “Prophet’s” that locked Jeremiah up and cast him into the pit. Or the Prophets of King Ahab that Said that “Elijah” troubles Israel. Why did Jesus say; you have killed and stone the prophets God has sent to you. Why would anybody kill a Prophet sent to them by God?

37“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you,
(Matthew 23).
What words did they say to them that made the people what to stone them.
or what words did Jesus say to his people that they wanted to stone him? Most of the time when Jesus got through preaching the people wanted to kill Him.
What do people want to do, to you, when you get through proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ to them?

King James Bible
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

 

[Bill]

After the “Rapture” of the true “church”. People still have the Written “Word of God”. For preaching and how to live, and pass history and the things to come. They know they will have to died violent deaths, they know they will be betrayed by their families, false friends, and many of them will starve to death. For it is written. They will have to be faithful unto death! For it is written. And they will be looking for the 2nd coming of Christ with His Saints to reign upon the earth for a 1000 years. During those 1000 years of reign many will be born, many will except Christ and many will deny Him. At the end of the 1000 year reign Nations will come up against Christ and HIS Saints to make war with us! But GOD will not let them prevail ! God will send His “Angels” through out the World at that time to gather up His “Elect” that comes out of that “1000” year time period that had not died! There are people who died in the 1000 year reign that are in Heaven all ready that had died during those other events. The Great Tribulation, the 1000 year reign.
This is why so many Christians are confused when they read the book of Revelation, because sometimes the events are taking place at one time parallel but it has to back track to capture the event. That is why John said: he was taken by the Angel. God does not live in time. So He is not bound by those “Parameters”.
And most of the time we even as “Christians” try to put GOD into our “Parameters” of thoughts. Time, space, creation, life, death, Sheol, Heaven, Satan, Arch Angels, The “Parameters” we cannot determine how they operate, the only thing we can determine is, they exists. And they operates in the parameter of God for His purpose and not ours.

Do you think the people also set events into a box as they do the way God thinks . If that is true , how can you be certain in understanding Rev .

Of course im like everyone else . Curious of the future . But i almost prefer living in the present . And keeping an open eye on the future

 

[PloughBoy]

I don’t have certainty of Revelation, I have “Hope”!

New King James Version
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

 

[PloughBoy]

This is a command and not a option.

1Therefore, if you have been raised with the Messiah,a keep focusing on the things that are above, where the Messiahb is seated at the right hand of God. 2Keep your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on the earth. 3For you have died, and your life has been safely guarded by the Messiahc in God. 4When the Messiah,d who iseyourf life, is revealed, then you, too, will be revealed with him in glory.
Is it a sin to dis obey your masters command? “Why call me Lord Lord and do not the things I say”

 

[B-A-C]

I thought he conquered death at the Cross Do we have ever lasting life or not?

Moses was "alive" on the mount of transfiguration before Jesus was on the cross.

Most churches believe - born once, die twice. ......... born twice, die once. This is supported in many scriptures.
We all die even Moses "died".

Besides that is says the "last" enemy Jesus conquers is death.

1 Cor15:26; The last enemy that will be abolished is death.

Does God have any other enemies currently?

Physical death is not the same thing as spiritual death.

 

[PloughBoy]

When did death take it seat
Upon his throne? And where did and from who did he get his authority, to exists? And where did he get his name?

 

[Reba1]

Physical death is not the same thing as spiritual death.

Which death is truly important ?
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[Bill]

Moses was "alive" on the mount of transfiguration before Jesus was on the cross.

Most churches believe - born once, die twice. ......... born twice, die once. This is supported in many scriptures.
We all die even Moses "died".

Besides that is says the "last" enemy Jesus conquers is death.

1 Cor15:26; The last enemy that will be abolished is death.

Does God have any other enemies currently?

Physical death is not the same thing as spiritual death.

You are very close . Please i would love to hear more on you thoughts .

" Physical death is not the same thing as spiritual death " Excellent , Excellent

 

[Bill]

Which death is truly important ?
Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Spiritual death is separation from God's Love ( it happens when we sin )

 

[PloughBoy]

If the body in which we called “The church” is “Raptured” and Jesus has taken them to Heaven for the wedding feast. The people on earth who are still going to Church are still going to call themselves “The Church”! If not, what will they called themselves? The same thing they been calling themselves from the day they joined the “church”. Right?

 

[Sue D.]

When the Church IS 'raptured' up to be with Jesus in the air -- there will be no Holy Spirit's influence here on earth. How do we know that anyone Will be going to church any more. And the influence of the Holy Spirit will be gone.

The "Church" is the body of believers -- they will be gone. There will probably be people who've been going to church who will still be here.

I don't plan to be here to find out.

And there will be the influence of antichrist here as there always has been. And there will be 7 years of even More trouble taking place and then midway through That - the AntiChrist will be made known. A very bad time to be living on earth.

Scripture Does tell us that during those 7 years -- multitudes of people Will come to Christ.

I'm not so sure that there Is spiritual 'death'. There is physical death.

 

[PloughBoy]

But most of these and ministers, church leaders and church attendees have most likely been going to church all of their lives. They still will say on a Sunday, they are going to church. Or when someone ask them what church you go to. They will tell them what church they go to. People also get saved out of “The Great Tribulation “ too. By preaching.

 

[PloughBoy]

Sue, if there is no Holy Spirit to influence a person during the 7 year tribulation, how can a person get saved out of it?

 

[Bill]

When the Church IS 'raptured' up to be with Jesus in the air -- there will be no Holy Spirit's influence here on earth. How do we know that anyone Will be going to church any more. And the influence of the Holy Spirit will be gone.

The "Church" is the body of believers -- they will be gone. There will probably be people who've been going to church who will still be here.

I don't plan to be here to find out.

And there will be the influence of antichrist here as there always has been. And there will be 7 years of even More trouble taking place and then midway through That - the AntiChrist will be made known. A very bad time to be living on earth.

Scripture Does tell us that during those 7 years -- multitudes of people Will come to Christ.

I'm not so sure that there Is spiritual 'death'. There is physical death.

How can you even say that . Your first paragraph .

The Holy Spirit has been involved with Mankind before they even knew who the Holy Spirit was . God is Eternal , and the Three that are One are also Eternal . The same is true with the Gifts of the Holy Spirit . Or do you have a great explination for Elijah and the many other Prophets of God . pre Jesus .

The Holy Spirit is always involved with Mankind and not limited to "" Christians ""

 

[Ivan Chamurliev]

I'm sorry to interrupt, I'm just asking something on the topic.
Now, here is my question. I already heard answers, but I would like to hear more opinions on this. When is the rapture going to take a place? After the great tribulation or before it? I know there are teachings and people that support the idea that will happen before and others think it will be after. I personally strongly believed that will happen before, but after hearing some other opinions and seeing certain events I started to wonder, what if ... It happens after? If you ask me to tell what exactly I think now, I will tell you that I don't know, but I want to follow what the Bible tells about the matter. To watch ( Matthew 25:13 ),and we don't know the our ( Matthew 25:13 ). It will actually come in our we less expect. And I believe in this event.
So, what do you think? And what is the scripture that can support this?
I know for one in the book of Revelation supporting the teaching about the before tribulation rapture, but we need to see the context of the verse and the whole story as well. What do you think?

 

[B-A-C]

John 7:38; "He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, 'From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.'"
John 7:39; But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

John 16:7; "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

Acts 5:32; "And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."

Luke 11:13; "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

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In the old testament it was given to certain people, but not to "the church" as a whole. People couldn't talk directly to God in all circumstances,
and had to go through a prophet or priest.

Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me.
Psa 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.

1 Sam 16:14; Now the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD terrorized him.

Jdg 16:20; She said, "The Philistines are upon you, Samson!" And he awoke from his sleep and said, "I will go out as at other times and shake myself free." But he did not know that the Spirit of the LORD had departed from him.

 

[Sue D.]

Let me ask you, do you put Jesus on the same level As Elijah and the many other prophets of God? Because He's Not.

Look at Hebrew 1:1 -3.

@Ivan -- It appears that it will take place Before the 7 yrs of tribulation. Why would God pour out His wrath Against those who are born again Now? Besides -- there has to be time for the marriage super of the Lamb to take place in heaven.

 

[B-A-C]

When is the rapture going to take a place? After the great tribulation or before it?

Take a look here.

https://www.talkjesus.com/threads/when-will-the-rapture-happen.66853

 

[Bill]

I'm sorry to interrupt, I'm just asking something on the topic.
Now, here is my question. I already heard answers, but I would like to hear more opinions on this. When is the rapture going to take a place? After the great tribulation or before it? I know there are teachings and people that support the idea that will happen before and others think it will be after. I personally strongly believed that will happen before, but after hearing some other opinions and seeing certain events I started to wonder, what if ... It happens after? If you ask me to tell what exactly I think now, I will tell you that I don't know, but I want to follow what the Bible tells about the matter. To watch ( Matthew 25:13 ),and we don't know the our ( Matthew 25:13 ). It will actually come in our we less expect. And I believe in this event.
So, what do you think? And what is the scripture that can support this?
I know for one in the book of Revelation supporting the teaching about the before tribulation rapture, but we need to see the context of the verse and the whole story as well. What do you think?

The opinions go both ways . I think more believe it will come before the poo hits the fan. I personally dont .

All you have to do is look at the lessons of Gods favored .

God allowed the favored to become slaves , not once but repeatedly .

And now look at the life of Jesus and the hardships . Jesus tells us to pick up our cross and follow Him . I think in a way He is telling us , we are going to cavalry too.

The early Christians did just that , as many were slaughtered in the Arenas of Rome.

So why then are we so above this pattern as not to follow in our brothers and sisters footsteps .

Why run from the devil , because that is in fact what this whole pretrib notion is about . Didnt Jesus say one day hHe would return to us the same way He left .

What more is necessary except following what Jesus says.