PERFECTION THROUGH BELIEF IN YESHUAH BY THE AIRFLOW OF GOD

[povawiqe]

Sorry to intrude upon this conversation. Because I've seen this statement and the use of this Scripture (Matthew 19:17) being used before, and have to add the following observation.

Jesus did not object or exclude himself from being good nor that He is not God! Jesus would and did pose questions to gauge the knowledge base of the person He was speaking to. Notice that when Jesus said these words, it was not in the form of a statement, but rather in the form of a question? Receiving no answer, He then stated "No one is good but One, that is, God". Correct, true, and in no way excluding Himself or His divinity. Think about it. Is it necessary for God to say that He is Good, and if He had stated "I Am" at that moment, what would have happened? If you don't know, then take a look at John 8:58 for the answer. It is clearly understood to those who could/can see spiritually. In our Lord's Earthly Ministry the people then were never meant to understand what He was saying. Think upon, the fact that even the Apostles did not come to full understanding until the Holy Spirit came upon them on the Day of Pentecost. Like Thomas, until they actually saw Him in His Resurrected Body, they did not believe without actually seeing for themselves!!! Though we now because of His Word understand the necessity of this. For only by their rejection could the Gentile be open to God's Grace of Salvation.

Once again, sorry for intruding, but I felt moved to add this.
God bless.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Yeshuah is God because he is the representation of God, not because he himself is God, meaning he is not the Father, which is why when he spoke concerning his ascension, he said, "I am going to my God and your God", meaning the Father. The Father alone is good, and from him comes all goodness, not just the goodness of angels, but also the goodness of the Messiah, which is why the Messiah objected when he was called "good".

 

[povawiqe]

Jesus is God. Jesus said they must not call Him good because He was God the flesh. God the flesh was not to stop world poverty. God the flesh was not to cure all cancer. God the flesh was not to travel to China and save the dolphins. God the flesh did not sin but had restrictions imposed on Him by God the Father. These restrictions meant He could not be called ''good''. That can make for one hell of a discussion. I don't have the energy for it right now.



No povawiqe, this does not mean angels are now as good as God. Why was Michael promoted to being the arch angel and not Stuart?

Why does Jesus say to the thief on the cross when asked if he can sit next to God, ''it is for God to decide''.

Not everyone wants to serve God as much as Peter does. It will be the same in heaven. Or do you believe Povawiqe will die completely and another person will take his place?

Only God will be 100% sweet to everyone all the time. In the most anointed of church prayers, I can still find one or two people annoying. God is the only one that can be perfect. He is God. We will only ever be the ''bar'' against which perfection is measured, if we are God. We will never be God.

The Messiah is restricted because he himself is created, which is why he is called "son of God". A son comes after a father, not before a father, nor at the same time as a father, and the time the Messiah came into existence was in the beginning of creation, which is why the scriptures call him the "firstborn of creation" and also the "only son of God", because he was the only soul brought into existence directly by the Father, whereas everyone else, man, animals, and angels, were all brought into existence through the Messiah, which is why the scriptures also declare, "through him all came to be". And this is one reason he objects to being called "good", because all goodness originates from the Father, even the own goodness of the Messiah. You misconstrue the reason why the Messiah said only the Father is good to mean that everyone is evil, including angels of God, which is false, to justify your own lawlessness!

 

[KingJ]

The Messiah is restricted because he himself is created, which is why he is called "son of God". A son comes after a father, not before a father, nor at the same time as a father, and the time the Messiah came into existence was in the beginning of creation, which is why the scriptures call him the "firstborn of creation" and also the "only son of God", because he was the only soul brought into existence directly by the Father, whereas everyone else, man, animals, and angels, were all brought into existence through the Messiah, which is why the scriptures also declare, "through him all came to be". And this is one reason he objects to being called "good", because all goodness originates from the Father, even the own goodness of the Messiah. You misconstrue the reason why the Messiah said only the Father is good to mean that everyone is evil, including angels of God, which is false, to justify your own lawlessness!

My reply to your post was incorrect. Christ4ever nailed it.

 

[KingJ]

Yeshuah is God because he is the representation of God, not because he himself is God, meaning he is not the Father, which is why when he spoke concerning his ascension, he said, "I am going to my God and your God", meaning the Father. The Father alone is good, and from him comes all goodness, not just the goodness of angels, but also the goodness of the Messiah, which is why the Messiah objected when he was called "good".

Are you saying Jesus is not God?

 

[Bendito]

All you have done is twist scripture to justify your continuance of sin. The scriptures are clear, we stop sinning once and for all and be perfect. Unless you do this, you will not inherit the kingdom of God. If you continue sinning willfully, all you will do is reap destruction.

All I've done is to give you the Word, as it's written in the Book...Get it right my friend.

 

[Bendito]

The riches of the kingdom of God are wisdom and knowledge and understanding. Only a fool says, "discard knowledge and understanding, and just believe whatever the majority teach without forethought".

The riches of the kingdom of God are HIS wisdom, and HIS knowledge, and HIS understanding. Not ours.

 

[Bendito]

Also, "spirits" do not exist, because these are based on myths of ghosts and phantasms that many believers have been fooled into believing. We are body and soul, which was given life by the airflow when God breathed it into the nostrils of a man. The same airflow we have is the same airflow animals have. There is no "spirit", only body, soul, and airflow. You err in your understanding of everything, and are stubborn, and refuse to believe the truth I am telling you.

Is this why you call the HOLY SPIRIT an airflow? You negate the very nature of the Holy Spirit so you can hang on to your deception?! Wow! That's either really brave or realy stupid...You decide which it is. The very Word says He is a spirit....His very name says He is a spirit....So, its you that twists and mocks the Word! Ok! Now it's becoming clear. You are in deep deception.

 

[Bendito]

No, the airflow of God is the one who removes sin from the inward man, causing him to never sin, this is the work of God, not our own work. This is where you err, because you do not believe God is able to cause a man to never sin again, by his airflow.

So you never never do anything wrong.....You never make a mistake... you never lose your temper.... you never accuse others....You never curse anyone with your words....you never condemn anyone who disagrees with you....Your words do but you do not. Do I have that right?

 

[Bendito]

povawiqe There are several people on this thread trying to show you where you are mistaken...Peope who know the Word and love you.....Look!

Proverbs 11:14

Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.


Proverbs 15:22

Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellors they are established.


Proverbs 24:6

For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counsellors there is safety.

These people all agree in their beliefs and are trying to help you....Why not listen to them, and pray to the Holy Spirit to show you?

 

[Bendito]

I insist on learning things of God by the scriptures, which is what I quoted you, not by my own intellect. I have no intellect, except what is written, that is my intellect, the intellect that comes from God. You, on the other hand, believe what you have been taught by the many, which is false. There is no intellect nor wisdom from God there, which is why you say, "discard intellect", because what you teach is a doctrine of fools. The end of sin came, through the blood of the Messiah, which the blood of animals could never do. Whoever believes contrary to this is deceived and heading towards perdition, because he has rejected one of the most important teachings of the gospel regarding the deliverance from sin by the Messiah.

A perfect example of a religious spirit....

The Word says that the intellect is not capable of understanding the things of the spirit.
Romans 8:4-6 (CJB)
4 so that the just requirement of the Torah might be fulfilled in us who do not run our lives according to what our old nature wants but according to what the Spirit wants. 5 For those who identify with their old nature set their minds on the things of the old nature, but those who identify with the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 Having one’s mind controlled by the old nature is death, but having one’s mind controlled by the Spirit is life and shalom.
1 Corinthians 2:13-15 (CJB)
13 These are the things we are talking about when we avoid the manner of speaking that human wisdom would dictate and instead use a manner of speaking taught by the Spirit, by which we explain things of the Spirit to people who have the Spirit. 14 Now the natural man does not receive the things from the Spirit of God — to him they are nonsense! Moreover, he is unable to grasp them, because they are evaluated through the Spirit. 15 But the person who has the Spirit can evaluate everything, while no one is in a position to evaluate him.

So then, when we try to learn the Word, or walk with God using our own intellect, we get really tangled up, and get lost. Possibly forever.....

 

[povawiqe]

Are you saying Jesus is not God?

I just explained it to you. He is God because he is the representation of God, not because he himself is the Father. Even the Torah declares that God made Moses to be God, not because Moses is the Father, but because God appointed him to be his representation to deliver his people from Egypt. This same truth is conveyed with the Messiah, but in a higher way than Moses, because to be a son of God is to be like God, which is why even those who will be delivered at the second coming of the Messiah who have been given the right to become sons of God will become glorified, will inherit the earth, and will even judge the world, like gods.

 

[povawiqe]

The riches of the kingdom of God are HIS wisdom, and HIS knowledge, and HIS understanding. Not ours.

And what I have been telling you is his knowledge, the truth, which says, "he who is born of God cannot sin" and that "70 weeks are appointed to end sin" in accordance to the timeline of the first coming of the Messiah, therefore your false knowledge that denies these truths is nothing but your own knowledge, not the knowledge of God, because ultimately you do not want to stop sinning, and you justify that intention by believing a lie that man cannot stop sinning. You do not even realize your own evil intention behind your own darkened understanding of the scriptures.

 

[povawiqe]

Is this why you call the HOLY SPIRIT an airflow? You negate the very nature of the Holy Spirit so you can hang on to your deception?! Wow! That's either really brave or realy stupid...You decide which it is. The very Word says He is a spirit....His very name says He is a spirit....So, its you that twists and mocks the Word! Ok! Now it's becoming clear. You are in deep deception.

The Greek word "pneuma" means airflow, and never does it not mean airflow when it is used in scripture. In fact, even the word "spirit", long ago in the Latin, also meant airflow, but with time the meaning of the word spirit became corrupted with the modern definition, of spirits and ghosts, which is false. Spirits and ghosts do not exist, only airflows, whether it be ordinary airflows, or angels who transform into the form of airflow, which is thus called "set-apart airflow", which is translated as "holy spirit".

 

[povawiqe]

So you never never do anything wrong.....You never make a mistake... you never lose your temper.... you never accuse others....You never curse anyone with your words....you never condemn anyone who disagrees with you....Your words do but you do not. Do I have that right?

We are not talking about me. You don't know me. We are talking about what the scriptures say. First affirm what I am telling you is the truth, then I will tell you about who I am.

 

[povawiqe]

A perfect example of a religious spirit....

The Word says that the intellect is not capable of understanding the things of the spirit.
Romans 8:4-6 (CJB)
4 so that the just requirement of the Torah might be fulfilled in us who do not run our lives according to what our old nature wants but according to what the Spirit wants. 5 For those who identify with their old nature set their minds on the things of the old nature, but those who identify with the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 Having one’s mind controlled by the old nature is death, but having one’s mind controlled by the Spirit is life and shalom.
1 Corinthians 2:13-15 (CJB)
13 These are the things we are talking about when we avoid the manner of speaking that human wisdom would dictate and instead use a manner of speaking taught by the Spirit, by which we explain things of the Spirit to people who have the Spirit. 14 Now the natural man does not receive the things from the Spirit of God — to him they are nonsense! Moreover, he is unable to grasp them, because they are evaluated through the Spirit. 15 But the person who has the Spirit can evaluate everything, while no one is in a position to evaluate him.

So then, when we try to learn the Word, or walk with God using our own intellect, we get really tangled up, and get lost. Possibly forever.....

You've completely misinterpreted this passage. We are not animals to not be able to understand anything, we are men, made in the image of God, with the capability of gaining understanding. It is precisely the reason why God has spoken to us with words through prophets, to gain knowledge and understanding, not to discard knowledge he has given us and say, "we can never understand!" Only fools discard knowledge, like a dog or a pig who does not see the worth of pearls, hence "do not cast your pearls to swine nor give what is set-apart to dogs". As such, someone who's mind is set on the things of the flesh, for example someone who is partying and drinking every day, cannot understand the things of God, because his mind is set on things to pleasure his own flesh. And this is the "natural man". However, someone who's mind is set on the things of the airflow, meaning the things of God, is able to understand the things of God because his mind is constantly set on the things of God. This is why it is written, "I mediate on your Torah day and night". If you do not contemplate on the Torah day and night and are not constantly thinking about the things of God, then your mind is not set on the things of God. This is why it is written, "love God with all your heart mind and soul". The thing or person you love is the one you constantly think about. If your thoughts are not constantly with God, then you do not love him, and if you do not love him, you will not know him nor understand him.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Yeshuah is God because he is the representation of God, not because he himself is God, meaning he is not the Father, which is why when he spoke concerning his ascension, he said, "I am going to my God and your God", meaning the Father. The Father alone is good, and from him comes all goodness, not just the goodness of angels, but also the goodness of the Messiah, which is why the Messiah objected when he was called "good".

A conditional question if you will, before addressing your reply. Does the NT and OT have equal weight and authority to their writings? If not, which one does?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[povawiqe]

A conditional question if you will, before addressing your reply. Does the NT and OT have equal weight and authority to their writings? If not, which one does?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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They both have equal weight and neither one contradicts the other.

 

[Bendito]

We are not talking about me. You don't know me. We are talking about what the scriptures say. First affirm what I am telling you is the truth, then I will tell you about who I am.

I see.....We are not talking about you because I don't know you....Yet you constantly accuse me of being slave to sin, not wanting to be free of sin, being a false teacher etc....Because YOU know Me? Hypocrite....You do not know me. You accuse when you have no argument for your goody doctrines which have NO basis in the Word. You deny the Holy Spirit even exists because you deny the existence of spirits. Yet the WORD says we are spirit....
1 Thessalonians 5:22-24 (CJB)
22 but keep away from every form of evil.

23 May the God of shalom make you completely holy — may your entire spirit, soul and body be kept blameless for the coming of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah. 24 The one calling you is faithful, and he will do it.

If you knew the Word you would have to agree that spirits exist and that you are one. Instead, you presume to tell God what He means when He says something. You interpret a word here, a word there to fit your warped theology, and accuse others of being sinners. It's time you woke up to the truth of God's Word.

 

[Bendito]

And what I have been telling you is his knowledge, the truth, which says, "he who is born of God cannot sin" and that "70 weeks are appointed to end sin" in accordance to the timeline of the first coming of the Messiah, therefore your false knowledge that denies these truths is nothing but your own knowledge, not the knowledge of God, because ultimately you do not want to stop sinning, and you justify that intention by believing a lie that man cannot stop sinning. You do not even realize your own evil intention behind your own darkened understanding of the scriptures.

He who is born of God CANNOT sin...Show me that in the Book.

 

[Bendito]

The Greek word "pneuma" means airflow, and never does it not mean airflow when it is used in scripture. In fact, even the word "spirit", long ago in the Latin, also meant airflow, but with time the meaning of the word spirit became corrupted with the modern definition, of spirits and ghosts, which is false. Spirits and ghosts do not exist, only airflows, whether it be ordinary airflows, or angels who transform into the form of airflow, which is thus called "set-apart airflow", which is translated as "holy spirit".

One thing you need to take note of Friend....We're not speaking Greek. We're speaking English which means we use a Book written in English, and English definitions....I'm perfectly aware that 'spirit' is 'pneuma ' in the Greek and I'm also aware that if you chase it around 'pneuma' will come out as 'Spirit' in English. So...please don't feed me your....Just stay with the Book.