PERFECTION THROUGH BELIEF IN YESHUAH BY THE AIRFLOW OF GOD

[Bendito]

"Discard intellect" means discard knowledge and understanding, because knowledge and understanding is intelligence. Even the Hebrew word for "wise" can be rendered as "intelligent", an intelligent man. By your own words of "discard intellect" you prove yourself to be non-intelligent.

1 Corinthians 1:18-25 King James Version (KJV)

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

 

[Bendito]

No, the airflow of God is the one who removes sin from the inward man, causing him to never sin, this is the work of God, not our own work. This is where you err, because you do not believe God is able to cause a man to never sin again, by his airflow.

You are blowing wind....You've got it all wrong. That is NOT what the Word says...It's what you say. I give you the scriptures in their entirety and you do not see them!!! Are you blind?

 

[povawiqe]

1 Corinthians 1:18-25 King James Version (KJV)

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

The teaching of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing not because the teaching of the cross is not intelligent, but because those who are perishing are ignorant. You perceive God to be a God of foolishness, when in fact, he is a God of intelligence, and everything he does is intelligent. The cross was necessary so that through the sacrifice of the very representation of God, God may express love and mercy in his own creation. This is intelligent. Someone who is perishing does not understand this.

 

[Bendito]

The teaching of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing not because the teaching of the cross is not intelligent, but because those who are perishing are ignorant. You perceive God to be a God of foolishness, when in fact, he is a God of intelligence, and everything he does is intelligent. The cross was necessary so that through the sacrifice of the very representation of God, God may express love and mercy in his own creation. This is intelligent. Someone who is perishing does not understand this.

What? Are you speaking English? Are you all right? Can I get you an aspirin?

 

[povawiqe]

You are blowing wind....You've got it all wrong. That is NOT what the Word says...It's what you say. I give you the scriptures in their entirety and you do not see them!!! Are you blind?

I quoted the scriptures that prove that everything I have said is true. Let me requote, perhaps someone else reading this will benefit from this conversation, because it is clear you are blinded by your own false beliefs,

70 weeks are decreed for your people and your set-apart city, to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for lawlessness… and to anoint the most set-apart one… Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of the Messiah, the ruler, there will be 7 weeks and 62 weeks.
Daniel 9:24-25

for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the aeons to do away away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 9:26

You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
Romans 6:18

Yeshuah replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it to the aeon. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
John 8:34-36

For by one offering he has perfected in perpetuity the ones having been set apart.
Hebrews 10:14

Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:9

We know that every one born of God does not sin; but the one born of God keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
1 John 5:18

No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
1 John 3:6

Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in the Messiah Yeshuah
Colossians 1:28

in order that the righteous requirement of the Torah might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the airflow.
Romans 8:4

 

[povawiqe]

What? Are you speaking English? Are you all right? Can I get you an aspirin?

What about those statements did you not understand? Or perhaps you are also among those perishing who also do not understand.

 

[Bendito]

I quoted the scriptures that prove that everything I have said is true. Let me requote, perhaps someone else reading this will benefit from this conversation, because it is clear you are blinded by your own false beliefs,

70 weeks are decreed for your people and your set-apart city, to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for lawlessness… and to anoint the most set-apart one… Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of the Messiah, the ruler, there will be 7 weeks and 62 weeks.
Daniel 9:24-25

for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the aeons to do away away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 9:26

You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
Romans 6:18

Yeshuah replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it to the aeon. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.
John 8:34-36

For by one offering he has perfected in perpetuity the ones having been set apart.
Hebrews 10:14

Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:9

We know that every one born of God does not sin; but the one born of God keeps himself, and the evil one does not touch him.
1 John 5:18

No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.
1 John 3:6

Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in the Messiah Yeshuah
Colossians 1:28

in order that the righteous requirement of the Torah might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the airflow.
Romans 8:4

Now read those verses IN CONTEXT Look at what they are saying....You read the Word yet bounce it off the wall and expect it to make sense...Let the Holy Spirit teach you, and forget your nonspiritual intellect. You are a spirit, let the Holy Spirit teach you!

This discussion is going the way of your discussion on the mark of the beast.

 

[Bendito]

What about those statements did you not understand? Or perhaps you are also among those perishing who also do not understand.

No my friend....You are among those who insist on learning spirit things by the intellect....That does not work!

 

[povawiqe]

Now read those verses IN CONTEXT Look at what they are saying....You read the Word yet bounce it off the wall and expect it to make sense...Let the Holy Spirit teach you, and forget your nonspiritual intellect. You are a spirit, let the Holy Spirit teach you!

This discussion is going the way of your discussion on the mark of the beast.

There is no context that nullifies the truth of these scriptures, only your own imagination of what you interpret the context to be, to then discard these scriptures, because you have no intention of stop sinning, contrary to what the Messiah commanded, "be perfect" and "sin no more". Foolish. Not only are you in error concerning all of this, but also concerning the mark of the beast. You are in for a huge surprise at the coming of the Messiah, and not a good one for you sadly.

 

[Bendito]

There is no context that nullifies the truth of these scriptures, only your own imagination of what you interpret the context to be, to then discard these scriptures, because you have no intention of stop sinning, contrary to what the Messiah commanded, "be perfect" and "sin no more". Foolish. Not only are you in error concerning all of this, but also concerning the mark of the beast. You are in for a huge surprise at the coming of the Messiah, and not a good one for you sadly.

Well I suppose that's better than the way you cursed me in your last discussion about the mark of the beast...Last time you spoke regret on me and what comes with it.... A huge surprise is something to look forward to....I love surprises....Especially the huge ones.

 

[povawiqe]

No my friend....You are among those who insist on learning spirit things by the intellect....That does not work!

I insist on learning things of God by the scriptures, which is what I quoted you, not by my own intellect. I have no intellect, except what is written, that is my intellect, the intellect that comes from God. You, on the other hand, believe what you have been taught by the many, which is false. There is no intellect nor wisdom from God there, which is why you say, "discard intellect", because what you teach is a doctrine of fools. The end of sin came, through the blood of the Messiah, which the blood of animals could never do. Whoever believes contrary to this is deceived and heading towards perdition, because he has rejected one of the most important teachings of the gospel regarding the deliverance from sin by the Messiah.

 

[povawiqe]

Well I suppose that's better than the way you cursed me in your last discussion about the mark of the beast...Last time you spoke regret on me and what comes with it.... A huge surprise is something to look forward to....I love surprises....Especially the huge ones.

You curse yourself by disbelieving the truth. I do not wish evil on you, I wish that you believed the truth, and thus became delivered, which is why I am on here reasoning with you. But your own stubbornness blocks you from attaining the truth, to your own destruction.

 

[Bendito]

You curse yourself by disbelieving the truth. I do not wish evil on you, I wish that you believed the truth, and thus became delivered, which is why I am on here reasoning with you. But your own stubbornness blocks you from attaining the truth, to your own destruction.

Do you know what? I'm done talking with you....You don't want to learn anything, you know it all, you never sin....Perfect people are too good for the rest of us.....we don't deserve you.

 

[povawiqe]

Do you know what? I'm done talking with you....You don't want to learn anything, you know it all, you never sin....Perfect people are too good for the rest of us.....we don't deserve you.

Let us compare what you are teaching vs what I am teaching:

1. I teach fiat currency is an abomination because it is a false quantity through which the bankers leverage inflation to impoverish the world, and is the fulfillment of the mark of the beast of Revelation. You teach continue using fiat currency, God will not be displeased by using fiat currency, even though even non-believers know it is evil.
2. I teach be perfect and stop sinning, according to the words of the Messiah, because the end of sin came through his blood, which the blood of animals was never able to do. You teach keep sinning, because God will forgive us each time, sin on Monday, pray Tuesday, sin on Wednesday, pray on Thursday, and so on.

See the difference? Maybe not, because you don't want to. But for everyone else on here, this is the prime example of someone who calls himself a believer, but doesn't actually do what the Messiah taught, nor does he actually believe what the scriptures teach. It is very sad.

 

[KingJ]

Let us compare what you are teaching vs what I am teaching:

2. I teach be perfect and stop sinning, according to the words of the Messiah, because the end of sin came through his blood, which the blood of animals was never able to do. You teach keep sinning, because God will forgive us each time, sin on Monday, pray Tuesday, sin on Wednesday, pray on Thursday, and so on.

See the difference? Maybe not, because you don't want to. But for everyone else on here, this is the prime example of someone who calls himself a believer, but doesn't actually do what the Messiah taught, nor does he actually believe what the scriptures teach. It is very sad.

You need to meditate on Mark 10:18 Only God is good. Only God is perfect. Angels in heaven are not good. Are not perfect. Humans are not ever God. Born again Christians will never be 'perfectly good'.

The context of our 'perfect' is being perfect to God. We are, as we are washed by the blood of Jesus. Our measure is God's acceptance. Not our ability to remain sinless. Just by saying that you have lied 1 John 1:8.

Teaching this nonsense leads weaker Christians astray. This teaching causes one to think they are a god of sort. Hence clearly a teaching from satan tapping into our pride.

You are not perfect my friend. Your posts to Bendito are ''far'' from perfect. They are full of sin. Breaking a brother down. Insulting. Rude. Self righteous. Impatient.

 

[povawiqe]

You need to meditate on Mark 10:18 Only God is good. Only God is perfect. Angels in heaven are not good. Are not perfect. Humans are not ever God. Born again Christians will never be 'perfectly good'.

The context of our 'perfect' is being perfect to God. We are, as we are washed by the blood of Jesus. Our measure is God's acceptance. Not our ability to remain sinless. Just by saying that you have lied 1 John 1:8.

Teaching this nonsense leads weaker Christians astray. This teaching causes one to think they are a god of sort. Hence clearly a teaching from satan tapping into our pride.

You are not perfect my friend. Your posts to Bendito are ''far'' from perfect. They are full of sin. Breaking a brother down. Insulting. Rude. Self righteous. Impatient.

Not all angels are evil, so to say the angels of God are not perfect is a lie. Even the scriptures declare that Satan was originally made perfect,

…You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God… Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings. By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your set-apart places. So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you, and I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who were watching. All the nations who knew you are appalled at you; you have come to a horrible end and will be no more.’”
Ezekiel 28:12-19

The only nonsense being taught here is your nonsense, that a believer cannot actually be freed from sin and caused by God to never sin again, and it is because of this false doctrine of yours that there is so much lawlessness among believers, because none of them think they need to actually stop sinning once and for all. One day you will see I was right, and regret not believing my words.

 

[KingJ]

Not all angels are evil, so to say the angels of God are not perfect is a lie. Even the scriptures declare that Satan was originally made perfect,

Why did Jesus not include those angels not fallen in Mark 10:18? Why was the devil the covering cherub and not another? Why was Michael the arch angel and not another? I underlined ''only'' because Jesus said ''only God''. Meditate on that my friend.

…You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God… Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings. By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your set-apart places. So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you, and I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who were watching. All the nations who knew you are appalled at you; you have come to a horrible end and will be no more.’”
Ezekiel 28:12-19

1 John 3:8 'because the devil has been sinning from the beginning'.

Made perfect I agree with. Everything God makes is good / perfect 1 Tim 4:4. However, free will kicks in and....in the devils case, he sinned from the beginning.

Note also the ''many sins'' in the scripture you quoted. A rational mind would interpret that as sins that accumulated over a period of time.

The only nonsense being taught here is your nonsense, that a believer cannot actually be freed from sin and caused by God to never sin again, and it is because of this false doctrine of yours that there is so much lawlessness among believers, because none of them think they need to actually stop sinning once and for all. One day you will see I was right, and regret not believing my words.

We are discussing Paradise in another thread here. Please go read it. You will find that a place existed prior to Jesus where God separated sinners from sinners. God sees a difference between a repentant sinner and an unrepentant sinner.

Jesus washes the repentant sinner and then to God that person is perfect. We remain the work of Jesus for all eternity. We are forever new creations in Christ. Because ONLY in Christ, are we perfect. Only because of Him as our covering are we perfect. Rom 5:9 We are justified by His blood.

 

[povawiqe]

Why did Jesus not include those angels not fallen in Mark 10:18? Why was the devil the covering cherub and not another? Why was Michael the arch angel and not another? I underlined ''only'' because Jesus said ''only God''. Meditate on that my friend.

1 John 3:8 'because the devil has been sinning from the beginning'.

Made perfect I agree with. Everything God makes is good / perfect 1 Tim 4:4. However, free will kicks in and....in the devils case, he sinned from the beginning.

Note also the ''many sins'' in the scripture you quoted. A rational mind would interpret that as sins that accumulated over a period of time.



We are discussing Paradise in another thread here. Please go read it. You will find that a place existed prior to Jesus where God separated sinners from sinners. God sees a difference between a repentant sinner and an unrepentant sinner.

Jesus washes the repentant sinner and then to God that person is perfect. We remain the work of Jesus for all eternity. We are forever new creations in Christ. Because ONLY in Christ, are we perfect. Only because of Him as our covering are we perfect. Rom 5:9 We are justified by His blood.

If you didn't notice, the Messiah also excluding himself from being "good", which is why he objected at being called "good", yet does that mean the Messiah is not good or righteous? No, the meaning behind this saying is that only God is good because all goodness comes from God alone, not because no one is good. The Messiah is good. His angels are good. You twist this scripture to mean everyone is evil, even angels in heaven who are righteous, to justify your own lawlessness. Shame on you.

 

[KingJ]

If you didn't notice, the Messiah also excluding himself from being "good", which is why he objected at being called "good", yet does that mean the Messiah is not good or righteous?

Jesus is God. Jesus said they must not call Him good because He was God the flesh. God the flesh was not to stop world poverty. God the flesh was not to cure all cancer. God the flesh was not to travel to China and save the dolphins. God the flesh did not sin but had restrictions imposed on Him by God the Father. These restrictions meant He could not be called ''good''. That can make for one hell of a discussion. I don't have the energy for it right now.

No, the meaning behind this saying is that only God is good because all goodness comes from God alone, not because no one is good. The Messiah is good. His angels are good. You twist this scripture to mean everyone is evil, even angels in heaven who are righteous, to justify your own lawlessness. Shame on you.

No povawiqe, this does not mean angels are now as good as God. Why was Michael promoted to being the arch angel and not Stuart?

Why does Jesus say to the thief on the cross when asked if he can sit next to God, ''it is for God to decide''.

Not everyone wants to serve God as much as Peter does. It will be the same in heaven. Or do you believe Povawiqe will die completely and another person will take his place?

Only God will be 100% sweet to everyone all the time. In the most anointed of church prayers, I can still find one or two people annoying. God is the only one that can be perfect. He is God. We will only ever be the ''bar'' against which perfection is measured, if we are God. We will never be God.

 

[Christ4Ever]

If you didn't notice, the Messiah also excluding himself from being "good", which is why he objected at being called "good", yet does that mean the Messiah is not good or righteous? No, the meaning behind this saying is that only God is good because all goodness comes from God alone, not because no one is good. The Messiah is good. His angels are good. You twist this scripture to mean everyone is evil, even angels in heaven who are righteous, to justify your own lawlessness. Shame on you.

Sorry to intrude upon this conversation. Because I've seen this statement and the use of this Scripture (Matthew 19:17) being used before, and have to add the following observation.

Jesus did not object or exclude himself from being good nor that He is not God! Jesus would and did pose questions to gauge the knowledge base of the person He was speaking to. Notice that when Jesus said these words, it was not in the form of a statement, but rather in the form of a question? Receiving no answer, He then stated "No one is good but One, that is, God". Correct, true, and in no way excluding Himself or His divinity. Think about it. Is it necessary for God to say that He is Good, and if He had stated "I Am" at that moment, what would have happened? If you don't know, then take a look at John 8:58 for the answer. It is clearly understood to those who could/can see spiritually. In our Lord's Earthly Ministry the people then were never meant to understand what He was saying. Think upon, the fact that even the Apostles did not come to full understanding until the Holy Spirit came upon them on the Day of Pentecost. Like Thomas, until they actually saw Him in His Resurrected Body, they did not believe without actually seeing for themselves!!! Though we now because of His Word understand the necessity of this. For only by their rejection could the Gentile be open to God's Grace of Salvation.

Once again, sorry for intruding, but I felt moved to add this.
God bless.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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