The commandments of Jesus

[B-A-C]

The commandments of Jesus

Matt 5:17; "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
Matt 5:18; "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Matt 5:19; "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:20; "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5 starts off with Jesus saying he didn't come to abolish the law.
In verse 18 he continues by saying not the smallest part of law shall be done away with "until all is accomplished".
In verse 19 he talks about those who might want to do away with the commandments, and even go so as to teach others to do away with the commandments.

So what commandments is Jesus talking about here in Matthew 5?
In verse 21 we see one of the original 10 commandments from Exodus 20:13;

Matt 5:21; "You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.'
Matt 5:22; "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

But then Jesus adds a few conditions to this commandment to make it even tougher than the original commandment.
We are guilty even we call someone a fool or "good-for-nothing".

In verse 27 we see another of the original 10 commandments from Exodus 20:14;

Matt 5:27; "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY';
Matt 5:28; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Jesus adds to this commandments as well. Even looking at a woman with lust is the same as committing adultery.

In verse 31 there is yet another commandment from the old testament ( Deut 24:1-3; )

Matt 5:31; "It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE';
Matt 5:32; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Then he adds to this commandment as well, and says you can only divorce under one circumstance.

In verse 33 Jesus talks about vows. This is usually taken to be from Psalms 76:11; possibly Hosea 10:4;

Matt 5:33; "Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FALSE VOWS, BUT SHALL FULFILL YOUR VOWS TO THE LORD.'
Matt 5:34; "But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,

But then Jesus adds to this one also, and says make no oath at all. Let your yes be yes, your no be no. Anything else is evil.

In verse 43 Jesus takes another commandment from Leviticus 19:18;

Matt 5:43; "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'
Matt 5:44; "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

He adds to this one as well, saying not only love your neighbors, but your enemies as well.

The sermon on the mount continues through Matthew chapter 6.

Jesus mentions things like ...

practicing your righteousess before men to be noticed.
using meaningless repititions in your prayers.
forgiving others, so that God will forgive you.

Jesus keeps going into Matthew 7.

He says we will be judged in the same way we judge others.

Some say the things Jesus mentions in chapters 6 and 7 aren't really commandments. Perhaps not, but they
are still things Jesus told them to do.

In Matt 7:22-23; Jesus talks about those who do not do these things.

The sermon on the mount starts with not abolishing the law.
It ends with Jesus telling those who "practice lawlessness" that He doesn't know them and to depart from Him.

In John 13:34; Jesus gives us a "new commandment".

John 13:34; "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

This is repeated in John 15:12;

When asked what the greatest commandments were, this was Jesus's answer.

Matt 22:36; "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?"
Matt 22:37; And He said to him, " 'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.'
Matt 22:38; "This is the great and foremost commandment.
Matt 22:39; "The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'
Matt 22:40; "On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

Also see Mark 12:28-34;

In Mark 7:10; Jesus mentions another one of the 10 commandments from Exodus 20:12;

Mark 7:10; "For Moses said, 'HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER'; and, 'HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER, IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH';
Mark 7:11; but you say, 'If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),'

In Matthew 19, Jesus mentions the 10 commandments again.

Matt 19:16; And someone came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?"
Matt 19:17; And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."
Matt 19:18; Then he *said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS;
Matt 19:19; HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

Also see Luke 10:25-28;

All of this brings us down some verses from John.

John 14:15; "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
John 14:21; "He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him."
John 15:10; "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

1 Jn 2:3; By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1 Jn 2:4; The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;

1 Jn 3:24; The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and Jesus in us. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

1 Jn 5:3; For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

 

[Squeaky]

JESUS COMMANDS US (RULE, LAW, ORDER)
John 15:10
10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
John 14:21
21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
Matt 4:4
4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"
Matt 28:20
20 "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
Matt 24:35
35 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
I Jn 2:3
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
I Jn 5:3
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
II Th 3:4
4 And we have confidence in the Lord concerning you, both that you do and will do the things we command you.
John 15:14
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
1 Tim 4:11
11 These things command and teach.
1 Cor 7:10
10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband.
Matt 28:20
20 "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
Heb 13:8
8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
Phile 1:21
21 Having confidence in your obedience, I write to you, knowing that you will do even more than I say.
Matt 5:20
20 "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
John 15:10
10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
Acts 17:30
30 "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,
II Jn 1:5-6
5 And now I plead with you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning: that we love one another.
6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.
Matt 19:17-21
17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."
18 He said to Him, "Which ones?" Jesus said," 'You shall not murder,' 'You shall not commit adultery,' 'You shall not steal,' 'You shall not bear false witness,'
19 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'"
20 The young man said to Him, "All these things I have kept from my youth. What do I still lack?"
21 Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."
Rom 13:9
9 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness," "You shall not covet," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Matt 22:37-40
37 Jesus said to him," 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'
38 "This is the first and great commandment.
39 "And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'
40 "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
John 13:34-38
34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
35 "By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
36 Simon Peter said to Him, "Lord, where are You going?" Jesus answered him, "Where I am going you cannot follow Me now, but you shall follow Me afterward."
37 Peter said to Him, "Lord, why can I not follow You now? I will lay down my life for Your sake."
38 Jesus answered him, "Will you lay down your life for My sake? Most assuredly, I say to you, the rooster shall not crow till you have denied Me three times.
Matt 5:19
19 "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
I Jn 4:20-21
20 If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?
21 And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.
John 14:21
21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him."
John 15:17
17 "These things I command you, that you love one another.
I Jn 2:4
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
I Jn 2:3
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
James 1:12-15
12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.
13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.
14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
James 1:22-24
22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror;
24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was.
James 1:25
25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.
James 2:17
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
James 2:20
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
1 Tim 6:12
12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.
1 Tim 6:14-16
14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing,
15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.
James 2:12
12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
Rom 8:2
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:1
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
I Jn 5:3-4
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world-- our faith.
Acts 1:1-3
1 The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
2 until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen,
3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.
I Jn 3:20-24
20 For if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things.
21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence toward God.
22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
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xxxxxThe old testament had commandments. And the new testament has commandments. In the old testament the way to please God was to obey His commandments. In the new testament the way to please God is to obey Jesus commandments. And Jesus commands us to crucify our emotions and feelings. Just to get in the Spirit we, not Him, but we must crucify our emotions and feelings. Have you done that yet?
Gal 5:17-25
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
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Matt 5:19-20
19 "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
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I Jn 4:21
21 And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.
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Rev 14:12
12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
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Matt 19:17
17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."
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Rev 12:17
17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
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[Taylor Barrett]

Yes I think its fairly clear that when Jesus says we should not annul "these" commandments, that He is talking about the commandments He then proceeded to give (and not the OT commandments, but the revised, updated, new and improved commandments from the lips of our Savior)

 

[Squeaky]

Yes I think its fairly clear that when Jesus says we should not annul "these" commandments, that He is talking about the commandments He then proceeded to give (and not the OT commandments, but the revised, updated, new and improved commandments from the lips of our Savior)

I said
LAW OF CHRIST
JOH 15-10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Fathers commandments and abide in His love.
John 15:14
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
Luke 6:37-38
37 "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
38 "Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you."
Matt 5:19
19 "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Gal 6:2
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Rom 8:9
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
Gal 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
Matt 6:33-34
33 "But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.
34 "Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
Gal 5:18
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Rom 13:8
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Heb 7:19
19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
Rom 8:24-25
24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees?
25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.
Rom 5:3-4
3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;
4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope.
1 Pet 2:19-21
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
Rom 4:16-18
16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
17 (as it is written, "I have made you a father of many nations") in the presence of Him whom he believed-- God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did;
18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, "So shall your descendants be."
Rom 14:22
22 Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
Rom 10:17
17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Heb 11:1
1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Heb 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
James 4:6
6 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."
Eph 2:8-9
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
James 2:14
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
James 2:17-18
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
James 2:24
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Gal 5:1
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
James 1:25
25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.
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xxxThe law of Christ is the new testament. The old testament is the law of sin and death. The Holy Ghost is in the new testament. What so many dont understand is that the new testament is just as much a law of God as the old testament is a law of God. The old testament has commandments, and the new testament has commandments. And even finding and walking after the Holy Spirit is a law. What many dont know it takes a law to keep us out of heaven. And it takes a law to get us into heaven.
Rom 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
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I Jn 2:4-5
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
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Matt 5:19-20
19 "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
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[DHC]

The commandments of Jesus

Matt 5:17; "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.
Matt 5:18; "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Matt 5:19; "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 5:20; "For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5 starts off with Jesus saying he didn't come to abolish the law.
In verse 18 he continues by saying not the smallest part of law shall be done away with "until all is accomplished".

Hello B-A-C.

There is a serious difficulty evident in the thread that you posted B-A-C.

For Jesus states that the entire law of Moses is in force for the Jews, and not some assumed part
of the law, such as the ten commandments. Here read what Jesus states in the following verse.

18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means
pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Not one letter of the entire law of Moses will pass until the condition 'all is fulfilled' is satisfied.
To say that the ten commandments are still in force, is to totally distort what Jesus stated above.
I repeat B-A-C, not one jot or letter will be redundant, until 'all is fulfilled'. To infer that any part of
the law of Moses has passed is a direct contradiction of what Jesus clearly stated.

Please explain why you are contradicting what Jesus said B-A-C.

 

[Squeaky]

Jesus fulfilled the old testament law and showed us how to fulfill it also. Then Jesus gave us the law of Christ..
OLD TESTAMENT LAW (FULFILLED)(CHANGED)(OLD TESTAMENT-OBSOLETE)
NEW TESTAMENT LAW OF CHRIST(LOVE)
Heb 10:19-21
19 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20 by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh,
21 and having a High Priest over the house of God,
Heb 7:28
28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.
Rom 3:21
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Matt 19:30
30 "But many who are first will be last, and the last first.
Luke 16:16
16 "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.
Matt 11:12-13
12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Matt 5:17
17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
Rom 10:4
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
Gal 2:21
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Matt 7:12
12 "Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Rom 13:8
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Rom 8:3-4
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
Rom 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:14
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Gal 5:4
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Gal 2:21
21 "I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."
Rom 13:10
10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Gal 6:2
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Matt 5:18
18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Rom 13:8
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Gal 5:14
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
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xxx Jesus fulfilled the old testament law and shows us how to fulfill it to. The old testament law is still in affect on those who have not followed Jesus example. Love is the fulfillment of the old testament. And if one can learn what love is they also can follow Jesus' example by fulfilling the law. Love is to suffer wrongfully but do it willingly. Love is not a feeling or an emotions it is an action. The act of not giving into all the emotions that push one into beleiving and holding on to the law of sin and death(punishment). The old testament is the law of sin and death. The new testament is the law of Christ(love). Fulfill means to bring to an end. The old testament is the idea that everyone has to pay for their wrongs. The new testament in Christ is bear one anothers burdens.
　
Rom 7:6
6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
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[RJ]

Hello B-A-C.

There is a serious difficulty evident in the thread that you posted B-A-C.

For Jesus states that the entire law of Moses is in force for the Jews, and not some assumed part
of the law, such as the ten commandments. Here read what Jesus states in the following verse.

18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means
pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Not one letter of the entire law of Moses will pass until the condition 'all is fulfilled' is satisfied.
To say that the ten commandments are still in force, is to totally distort what Jesus stated above.
I repeat B-A-C, not one jot or letter will be redundant, until 'all is fulfilled'. To infer that any part of
the law of Moses has passed is a direct contradiction of what Jesus clearly stated.

Please explain why you are contradicting what Jesus said B-A-C.

Hi DHC,

• I feel that the scriptures state that we no longer live under or subject to the Old Covenant laws.
• Please don't take me wrong, the Laws have been and always will be Holy, Righteous and Blameless.
• When Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law he wasn't doing away with the law, he was fulfilling the law in us.
• We were no more capable of fulfilling the law under the Old Covenant than we are under the New.
• But, the difference now ( New Covenant) is that Jesus, for who are "Born Again" Christians, lives in us.
• Jesus is the perfect embodiment of the law and he now fulfills that through us, for us.
• Jesus is the law; it is not ours but his Holiness, Righteousness and Blamelessness in and through us that he has fulfilled.

 

[B-A-C]

Hello B-A-C.

There is a serious difficulty evident in the thread that you posted B-A-C.

For Jesus states that the entire law of Moses is in force for the Jews, and not some assumed part
of the law, such as the ten commandments. Here read what Jesus states in the following verse.

18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means
pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Not one letter of the entire law of Moses will pass until the condition 'all is fulfilled' is satisfied.
To say that the ten commandments are still in force, is to totally distort what Jesus stated above.
I repeat B-A-C, not one jot or letter will be redundant, until 'all is fulfilled'. To infer that any part of
the law of Moses has passed is a direct contradiction of what Jesus clearly stated.

Please explain why you are contradicting what Jesus said B-A-C.

Everything in the original law is still in effect, however it is done differently.
There is still a high-priest, but now it is Jesus, not a human man. ( Heb 2:17; Heb 3:1; Heb 4:14; Heb 7:26; etc...)
There is still a sacrifice for sin, but it was a perfect "lamb" (Jesus) not an animal sacrifice. (John 1:29; John 1:36; )
There are still priests, every believer is in effect his own priest. (1 Pet 2:5; 1 Pet 2:9; )

While Gentiles did not receive the law written on stone tablets, they still know God's laws.

Rom 2:14; For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves,
Rom 2:15; in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,

Even Gentiles have to repent and do deeds that show their repentance.

Acts 26:20; but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance.

The church of Pergamun was tld to repent of their deeds.

Rev 2:22; 'Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds.

Believers will be judged by their deeds. (Notice deeds is plural, not singular)

2 Cor 5:10; For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Paul wrote the Galatians (who were Gentiles) that they were held to the laws of the OT.

Gal 3:10; For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO DOES NOT ABIDE BY ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW, TO PERFORM THEM."


Jesus said all the law of the prophets was narrowed down to just 2 commandments. Basically those commandments are the same thing
as the other 8, or even the other 600 miscellaneous laws if you prefer.

Jesus removed the penalty of the law from us, but not the obligation to keep the commandments.

Gal 3:13; Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE"--

IF we are led of the Spirit we are not under the law. IF, that's a small word with a big inference.
Saying you led by the Spirit is one thing, showing you are led by the Spirit is another thing.

Gal 5:18; But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.
Gal 5:19; Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality,
Gal 5:20; idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions,
Gal 5:21; envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22; But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23; gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
Gal 5:24; Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Gal 5:25; If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.

Notice it doesn't say unbelievers who practice these things, it says anyone who practices these things "will not inherit the kingdom of God".
Also notice that kindness, goodness, and "LOVE" are the fruit of the Spirit. Interestingly enough both the two commandments Jesus
said contained the entire law of the prophets had the word "love" in them. ( Matt 22:36-40; )

The deeds we do and the way we live determine whether we are led by the Spirit of not.

Matt 7:12; "In everything, therefore, treat people the same way you want them to treat you, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

Paul told the Corinthians (who also were Gentiles)

1 Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1 Cor 6:10; nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Cor 6:11; Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Again, it isn't what you believe alone that keeps from inheriting the kingdom of God, it's the way you live.

Ecc 12:13; The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person.

 

[B-A-C]

I feel that the scriptures state that we no longer live under or subject to the Old Covenant laws.
Please don't take me wrong, the Laws have been and always will be Holy, Righteous and Blameless.
When Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law he wasn't doing away with the law, he was fulfilling the law in us.
We were no more capable of fulfilling the law under the Old Covenant than we are under the New.
But, the difference now ( New Covenant) is that Jesus, for who are "Born Again" Christians, lives in us.
Jesus is the perfect embodiment of the law and he now fulfills that through us, for us.
Jesus is the law; it is not ours but his Holiness, Righteousness and Blamelessness in and through us that he has fulfilled.

The way you have this written here, I agree with all of it. But I suspect we differ slightly on semantics.
I would think you mean Jesus takes care of all of it. I personally believe some of the effort has to come from us.

Do you ever sin?
Did Jesus ever sin?
If the answer isn't the same for both questions, then obviously Jesus doesn't control everything we do.
I believe "fulfilling the law" is giving grace where we come up short. But we have to contribute some of it ourselves.

 

[Squeaky]

FAITH WORKS SPIRITUAL WORKS
James 2:20-24
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God.
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
Phil 4:9
9 The things which you learned and received and heard and saw in me, these do, and the God of peace will be with you.
James 2:14
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
James 2:17
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Gal 5:24-25
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
2 Cor 10:3-5
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
1 Cor 13:2-7
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
1 Cor 13:13
13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
1 Cor 12:31
31 But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.
1 Cor 13:10
10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
1 Cor 2:11
11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
1 Cor 2:14
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
John 3:17-18
17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Phil 1:27
27 Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel,
Mark 12:41-44
41 Now Jesus sat opposite the treasury and saw how the people put money into the treasury. And many who were rich put in much.
42 Then one poor widow came and threw in two mites, which make a quadrans.
43 So He called His disciples to Himself and said to them, "Assuredly, I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all those who have given to the treasury;
44 "for they all put in out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all that she had, her whole livelihood."
Luke 7:7-9
7 "Therefore I did not even think myself worthy to come to You. But say the word, and my servant will be healed.
8 "For I also am a man placed under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to one, 'Go,' and he goes; and to another, 'Come,' and he comes; and to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it."
9 When Jesus heard these things, He marveled at him, and turned around and said to the crowd that followed Him, "I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel!"
Matt 25:31-46
31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
33 "And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 "Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 'for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
36 'I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.'
37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink?
38 'When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You?
39 'Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'
40 "And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.'
41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 'for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
43 'I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.'
44 "Then they also will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?'
45 "Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
46 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Luke 10:39-42
39 And she had a sister called Mary, who also sat at Jesus' feet and heard His word.
40 But Martha was distracted with much serving, and she approached Him and said, "Lord, do You not care that my sister has left me to serve alone? Therefore tell her to help me."
41 And Jesus answered and said to her, "Martha, Martha, you are worried and troubled about many things.
42 "But one thing is needed, and Mary has chosen that good part, which will not be taken away from her."
James 5:16
16 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much.
Matt 6:14-15
14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
I Jn 1:9-10
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
Heb 10:30
30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine; I will repay," says the Lord. And again, "The Lord will judge His people."
Rev 3:17-18
17 "Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'-- and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked--
18 "I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.
I Jn 5:3
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
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xxx Your works are your treasures in heaven. And what proves your faith.
Matt 6:19-23
19 "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal;
20 "but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal.
21 "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
22 "The lamp of the body is the eye. If therefore your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light.
23 "But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness!
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[RJ]

The way you have this written here, I agree with all of it. But I suspect we differ slightly on semantics.
I would think you mean Jesus takes care of all of it. I personally believe some of the effort has to come from us.

Do you ever sin?
Did Jesus ever sin?
If the answer isn't the same for both questions, then obviously Jesus doesn't control everything we do.
I believe "fulfilling the law" is giving grace where we come up short. But we have to contribute some of it ourselves.

• Oh, we disagree:

1. And it not is semantics. God does not deal in semantics. It is not about different phrases, meanings or implications. God's word is precise and based on fact and truth!
2. God says: Ephesians 2:9 not by works, so that no one can boast. There is no semantics here but God's simple truth, if you do "something", anything to secure your salvation, it is works!
3. Romans 3:27
4. You continue to boast and live outside of God's word!
5. B-A-C, please reason to this one point. Jesus is perfect and he does all things perfectly. If he did most of it but as you say, you do somethings, then your saying that Jesus is not capable of doing somethings because that is left up to you to do. Can't you see that alone is a false theology?

 

[Squeaky]

• Oh, we disagree:

1. And it not is semantics. God does not deal in semantics. It is not about different phrases, meanings or implications. God's word is precise and based on fact and truth!
2. God says: Ephesians 2:9 not by works, so that no one can boast. There is no semantics here but God's simple truth, if you do "something", anything to secure your salvation, it is works!
3. Romans 3:27
4. You continue to boast and live outside of God's word!

I'm afraid you misunderstand that one verse. Every verse is a principle and one cant make a conclusion out of one principle. It takes other principles to come up with a conclusion

James 2:17-18
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
(NKJ)
James 2:20-22
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
(NKJ)
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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[RJ]

I'm afraid you misunderstand that one verse. Every verse is a principle and one cant make a conclusion out of one principle. It takes other principles to come up with a conclusion

James 2:17-18
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
(NKJ)
James 2:20-22
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
(NKJ)
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
(NKJ)

• Every verse is a principle and one cant make a conclusion out of one principle. It takes other principles to come up with a conclusion I suppose you have a Bible verse or two to back that up?
• 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. Yes, James is acknowledging faith alone by saying "faith itself". Your a believer, your saved by God alone and given the Holy Spirit to live in you. It is his works through you, if you don't have him in you, is where your faith is dead. If Jesus is not performing his work through you, your faith doesn't exist. I am afraid you mis-understand. Jesus said, I am the vine and you are the branch, without me in you and you in me, you can do nothing......IT is not your works but God, why do you think God put him in you?
• James 2:26, Yes!!!!! The body without being "Born Again" is dead spiritually and witout the Holy Spirit's work in you, your faith is dead because you are not "Born Again"!

 

[Squeaky]

• Every verse is a principle and one cant make a conclusion out of one principle. It takes other principles to come up with a conclusion I suppose you have a Bible verse or two to back that up?
• 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. Yes, James is acknowledging faith alone by saying "faith itself". Your a believer, your saved by God alone and given the Holy Spirit to live in you. It is his works through you, if you don't have him in you, is where your faith is dead. If Jesus is not performing his work through you, your faith doesn't exist. I am afraid you mis-understand. Jesus said, I am the vine and you are the branch, without me in you and you in me, you can do nothing......IT is not your works but God, why do you think God put him in you?
• James 2:26, Yes!!!!! The body without being "Born Again" is dead spiritually and witout the Holy Spirit's work in you, your faith is dead because you are not "Born Again"!

I said
One will not reach born again without works. One has to go through the three years of the milk understanding and eleven years of the meat understanding to be born again. And the meat understanding is all about being a doer of the Word and not just a hearer of the Word. Read them revelations I put up for you. Faith-Works-Love.
Being a doer of the Word is doing what it says to do. You read them revelations and you will see.

 

[Travis]

The way you have this written here, I agree with all of it. But I suspect we differ slightly on semantics.
I would think you mean Jesus takes care of all of it. I personally believe some of the effort has to come from us.

Do you ever sin?
Did Jesus ever sin?
If the answer isn't the same for both questions, then obviously Jesus doesn't control everything we do.
I believe "fulfilling the law" is giving grace where we come up short. But we have to contribute some of it ourselves.

"But we have to contribute some of it ourselves."

That's no small statement. That's not a difference in semantics either. That's like the difference between light and darkness.

“If you make an altar of stone, you shall not build it of hewn stone, for if you wield your tool on it you profane it.” ~Exodus 20:25​

 

[RJ]

I said
One will not reach born again without works. One has to go through the three years of the milk understanding and eleven years of the meat understanding to be born again. And the meat understanding is all about being a doer of the Word and not just a hearer of the Word. Read them revelations I put up for you. Faith-Works-Love.
Being a doer of the Word is doing what it says to do. You read them revelations and you will see.

I mean this with no disrespect to you Squeaky but I don't where you come up with this malarkey and you know nothing of the gosel that Paul said he preached. You have no concept of Christ in you or how one becomes saved! You believe in salvation by works and not by God's free gift of Grace! At your end, when judgement comes all of your works will be burned up!

 

[Squeaky]

I mean this with no disrespect to you Squeaky but I don't where you come up with this malarkey and you know nothing of the gosel that Paul said he preached. You have no concept of Christ in you or how one becomes saved! You believe in salvation by works and not by God's free gift of Grace! At your end, when judgement comes all of your works will be burned up!

I said
Not so. Crucifying all my emotions and feelings cant burn. Forgiving one who has done me wrong cant burn. Praying for others cant burn. Walking 2 miles in the cold to help someone cant burn. Them works only prove my faith. Abraham had to prove his faith with works.

James 2:20-26
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God.
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
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[Squeaky]

Faith Works Love (By Themselves they are only principles) But together they are righteousness.
People are trying to make a conclusion out of pieces and parts. It cant be done. Faith alone won't get you to heave. Works alone won't get you to heave. Love alone won't get you to heaven. That is the only conclusion.
1 Cor 13:1-2
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
(NKJ)
James 2:14
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
(NKJ)
James 2:17-18
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
(NKJ)
James 2:24
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
(NKJ)
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
(NKJ)
Rom 16:26
26 but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith--
(NKJ)
Eph 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
(NKJ)
Luke 6:32-33
32 "But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.
33 "And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.
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xxx Some stand on faith and some stand on works and some stand on love. They are all principles, they have to be together. So many on here are argueing just one point or part of a whole. You need to understand. Faith without works or love is dead. Works without faith or love is vanity. Love without faith or works is useless.

 

[RJ]

I said
Not so. Crucifying all my emotions and feelings cant burn. Forgiving one who has done me wrong cant burn. Praying for others cant burn. Walking 2 miles in the cold to help someone cant burn. Them works only prove my faith. Abraham had to prove his faith with works.

James 2:20-26
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." And he was called the friend of God.
24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
(NKJ)

Ephesians 2:8-9.......I think your pride is a down fall and you boast too much!

 

[RJ]

"But we have to contribute some of it ourselves."

That's no small statement. That's not a difference in semantics either. That's like the difference between light and darkness.

“If you make an altar of stone, you shall not build it of hewn stone, for if you wield your tool on it you profane it.” ~Exodus 20:25​

If man has to contribute anything himself, is the same as saying that Jesus can't do it all by himself and that is opposed to God's omnipotence and you deny the capability of his fineshed work!