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Spiritual Laws are for a Spiritual man.
A Natural man's mind could get hurt.
A Natural man's mind could get hurt.
The commandments of Jesus
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I said
I have no pride. But I will boast in the Lord, and what the Lord has done with me.
2 Cor 11:30
30 If I must boast, I will boast in the things which concern my infirmity.
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Gal 6:14
14 But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
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2 Cor 10:13
13 We, however, will not boast beyond measure, but within the limits of the sphere which God appointed us-- a sphere which especially includes you.
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2 Cor 11:18
18 Seeing that many boast according to the flesh, I also will boast.
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2 Cor 1:14
14 (as also you have understood us in part), that we are your boast as you also are ours, in the day of the Lord Jesus.
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You just don't get it and possibly never will. I will just mention just one of your scripture qoutes:
- 2 Corinthians 11:30 This is so typical for someone like you, using a scripture falsely to support your stance. If you would take the time to open up the link on the verse and read the explanation....it is all about giving the glory to God for everything and not drawing attention to yourself.
- I am done with your pride and boasting in your work and not giving God all the glory; you possibly will never see the truth!
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I said you don't know what you are taling about and most certainly don't know that when God says you are Holy, Righteous and Blameless, that he is not talking about you but the one who is living in you, that is if he does live in you!
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We are told over a dozen times in the New testament to keep the commandments, by Jesus, Paul, James and John
Matt 5:19; "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 19:17; And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."
John 14:15; "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
John 14:21; "He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him."
John 15:10; "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
1 Cor 7:19; Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.
1 Jn 2:3; By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1 Jn 2:4; The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
1 Jn 3:24 The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
Jas 2:8; If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF," you are doing well.
1 Jn 5:2; By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.
1 Jn 5:3; For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
2 Jn 1:6; And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
Rev 14:12; Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
Rom 2:13; for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.
How does any theology ignore something mentioned this many times?
Jas 2:17; Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
Jas 2:24; You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Jas 2:26; For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
Eph 2:10; For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
How can any theology ignore all of the verses above?
Two of the servants in this parable were told...
Matt 25:21; "His master said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your master.' '
Matt 25:23; "His master said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your master.'
The other servant was told...
Matt 25:30; "Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Luke 12:46; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers.
Luke 12:47; "And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes,
Did Jesus keep the commandments?
John 15:10; "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
Are we supposed to be like Jesus? Are we supposed to be transformed/conformed into His image?
1 Cor 11:1; Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.
The people in the passage below believed in Jesus, but belief alone was not enough.
Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
It's interesting, those who accuse us of being wrong simply leave all the verses above out. They won't even talk about them.
They simply go back to other verses, and say that's all there is. For a theology to be correct, it has to agree with all the Bible.
Matt 5:19; "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 19:17; And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."
John 14:15; "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
John 14:21; "He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him."
John 15:10; "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
1 Cor 7:19; Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.
1 Jn 2:3; By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1 Jn 2:4; The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
1 Jn 3:24 The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
Jas 2:8; If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF," you are doing well.
1 Jn 5:2; By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.
1 Jn 5:3; For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
2 Jn 1:6; And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
Rev 14:12; Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
Rom 2:13; for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.
How does any theology ignore something mentioned this many times?
Jas 2:17; Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
Jas 2:24; You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Jas 2:26; For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.
Eph 2:10; For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
How can any theology ignore all of the verses above?
Two of the servants in this parable were told...
Matt 25:21; "His master said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your master.' '
Matt 25:23; "His master said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your master.'
The other servant was told...
Matt 25:30; "Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Luke 12:46; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers.
Luke 12:47; "And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes,
Did Jesus keep the commandments?
John 15:10; "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
Are we supposed to be like Jesus? Are we supposed to be transformed/conformed into His image?
1 Cor 11:1; Be imitators of me, just as I also am of Christ.
The people in the passage below believed in Jesus, but belief alone was not enough.
Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
It's interesting, those who accuse us of being wrong simply leave all the verses above out. They won't even talk about them.
They simply go back to other verses, and say that's all there is. For a theology to be correct, it has to agree with all the Bible.
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Hello RJ.
Thankyou for the reply, you made some points that I will now address RJ.
The nation of Israel was legally bound to the terms and conditions of the Old Covenant laws.
For it was the Israelites that agreed to the terms and conditions of the Old Covenant.
Exodus 19
8 Then all the people answered together and said, “All that the Lord has spoken we will do.”
So Moses brought back the words of the people to the Lord.
The verse above from the book of Exodus clearly notifies us that the Old Covenant was based
on agreement between the two parties. The first party was YHWH and the second party were
the Israelites.
Gentile nations were not legally bound to the Old Covenant or it's laws, because the Gentile
nations did not agree to the terms and conditions of the Old Covenant. The text is silent
regarding any agreement by any Gentile nation.
A Gentile may only ever enter into the Old Covenant with Israel by agreement and they must
also undergo circumcision.
I have not assumed that you are wrong, your point is correct RJ for that is what the scripture states.
Though the verse you are quoting is worded slightly differently.
Romans 7
12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
The primary mission statement that Jesus carried during His time on Terra Firma, was the reconciliation
of the nation of Israel to Himself.
Matthew 15 (NKJV)
24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
We Gentiles are included in this reconciliation established by Jesus, which the apostle Paul so precisely
stated below.
Ephesians 2
11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is
called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being
aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and
without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near
by the blood of Christ.
There is a line in this quotation that also supports the information we are discussing. The Gentiles were
never members of the Old Covenant. Here is that line which I will print below.
'being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise'
Aliens and strangers to the covenants were never included in the older covenants, except by agreement.
Correct, the Old Testament law was a lethal legal system, it generated immense transgression (sin)
amongst the Israelites, and this was against YHWH. A national transgression so great, that God's
Love and Grace were immensely amplified in response to this sin.
Mankind is deeply deceived and no greater deception can exist than. The deception that we
could ever be righteous enough, through an effort of legal obedience, to be considered worthy
of salvation. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven! Perfection is required for
entry and we are far from perfect.
Incidentally RJ, the Old Testament law was too difficult to obey in any real way. The New Testament
law given by Christ is impossible to obey, Christ's commands were extreme law. A supernatural
power is necessary to be obedient to the commands of Christ.
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God could turn us all into robots and make us do it. But he gives us the choice because he wants to see who will and who won't.
2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
1 Tim 2:3; This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1 Tim 2:4; who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Just because God has the power to do something, doesn't mean he forces everyone to do it.
He wants our obedience, and he wants it by our choice.
Luke 13:24; "Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
There are 3 kinds of people, those don't who don't know about a gate, or could care less if there is one.
There are some will make it through the narrow gate.
Then there are those who are seeking to enter it, but are unable to do so.
Is it because God is unable, or is because some men make the wrong choices?
It seems some people equate God's power with whether someone gets saved or not.
When Adam and Eve both ate the forbidden fruit, 100% of the world was living in sin.
Did God quit being God during this time? Even if no one ever got saved,God would still be God.
God told them not to do it, they did it anyway. Was it His choice, or theirs?
Did God cause them to sin, or did they choose to sin on their own accord?
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Rom 8:6; For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
Rom 8:7; because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
Rom 8:8; and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:4; so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
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The SUMMARY of the Commandments to Christians
after CORRECT Baptism and response from Jesus.
1Tim.1
[5] Now the end of the Commandment (to the children of the Highest) is:
charity (love for ALL and good deeds to ALL) out of a pure heart and of a good (well meaning) conscience,
and of unfeigned (genuine) faith (in the Father and the Son).
after CORRECT Baptism and response from Jesus.
1Tim.1
[5] Now the end of the Commandment (to the children of the Highest) is:
charity (love for ALL and good deeds to ALL) out of a pure heart and of a good (well meaning) conscience,
and of unfeigned (genuine) faith (in the Father and the Son).
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That is silly, all men are born sinful. I can't say what God does or doesn't do but for sure, because of Adam and Eve, we are all born sinful and need of God's grace.
B-A-C,
You now change course from saying "having to do something" to it's about obedience and free will choice.
God could turn us all into robots and make us do it. But he gives us the choice because he wants to see who will and who won't.
God told them not to do it, they did it anyway. Was it His choice, or theirs?
Did God cause them to sin, or did they choose to sin on their own accord?
I think I know why you are now saying such things and it is unfair to associate me with not believing them. Since I have been at TJ, I have over 2000 posts and threads and never once, not once can you find where I have said anything against these basic principles.
- I say" we accepted Christ" it's that we accepted his grace to us and submitted our lives to his Lordship. I say, the Bible says, it is by Grace that we have done this and not a work.
- You are compelled to say that this action on your part is a work.
- I have never and will never intimate that you are not saved because we have different beleifs.
- Yours sounds as though works is a part of the Gospel to me.
- I do not agree with works for, if we were to allow works, then works is merged with the Gospel and therefore contaminates God's perfect plan.
- For eons, God's relationship with man was based on a legal system that required man to do many works. God stated that, not the laws, but man was inadequate and therefore he would give them a New Covenant Jeremiah 30:31-34....where by, I believe that God promised to put himself inside man and that means man would play no role, less he would do it wrong, much less be able to brag. You must admit, many who beleive in works for salvation brag about. I am in a conversation with such a person now.
- I don't believe you brag about it.
- I believe in these principles:
- Ephesians 2:8 (Grace Alone)
- Romans 9:14-16 ( Mercy Alone)
- Ephesians 1:7 (Riches of his grace)
- Titus 2:11 ( God's grace alone appeared)
- If you listen to no other verse, listen to this one: Romans 11:5-6 (not by your works)
- I know that you can quote a many a verse that talks about works.
- Can you quote one that that talks about works without the assumption that grace came first? Here's one: "without works, your faith is dead". O.K., so faith is alive or it is dead. So, here, faith is dead without works....can't you see that if this is true, then faith must have come first? Ephesians 2:8, God's grace is a gift, it is free and not of your works.
You have the last post to me on this thread.
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We must attain the "HIGH CALLING"
Belonging to the MOST HIGH GOD is unspeakable honor...
Go forward, my brother.
Belonging to the MOST HIGH GOD is unspeakable honor...
Go forward, my brother.
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And to him goes all the glory, it is all about him and none of us!
It appears you are having trouble understanding what grace is. Your attempting to reject the revelations of Jesus Christ with just afew verses. Verses are principles. It takes many principles to come up with a conclusion. Your trying to make a conclusion out of afew principles. It cant be done correctly.
Eph 2:8
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
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Rom 9:14-16
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not!
15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion."
16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
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Eph 1:7
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace
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Titus 2:11
11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
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Rom 11:5-6
5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
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If you are going to dispute a born again Christian be sure you have more verses than he.
Luke 14:30-35
30 "saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish.'
31 "Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand?
32 "Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace.
33 "So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.
34 "Salt is good; but if the salt has lost its flavor, how shall it be seasoned?
35 "It is neither fit for the land nor for the dunghill, but men throw it out. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"
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My response was to B-A-C and I am not interested in your accusations. I know perfectly what grace is and all the glory goes to God for everything. As far as I am concerned, it is you who doesn't understand grace. You belong to some form of cult and you don't believe in God's sovereignty and that his grace is a free gift.You don't beleive in his grace because, you want to share in some of the glory for yourself! It's discusting!
I said
You say you give all glory to God while at the same time you reject Gods Word. And the new testament is a free gift. Nobody bargained for it, no body prayed for it in the old testament. By Gods grace and love God sent Jesus to deliver it to us. Which Jesus did. Its a law that can override the old testament law. You take afew verses and make them all there is to God. And you will never go to hell for the ones you have right. But you can go to hell for the ones you have wrong. You are fighting against Gods Word. These revelations are word for word, verse for verse, Gods Word.
Matt 12:34-37
34 "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
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John 12:48-50
48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
50 "And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
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