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Rephrase your question.
...because all that was required for my salvation was fulfilled by Jesus Christ. He did it ALL.
Where is the Holy Spirit?
...because all that was required for my salvation was fulfilled by Jesus Christ. He did it ALL.
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Care to elaborate? I am asking for clarification on your belief not word games. I don't want to guess and get it wrong.
Are you saying that everyone is saved and everyone is going to heaven?
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What has happened is the Holy Spirit has been replaced by the '' religious traditions of men''.
When a sincere person joins the church of choice they feel they have been called of the Lord - but Jesus warned us all [in rev 3 v 18-21] of HIS PERSONAL FEELINGS when religious men take over His teachings and corrupt them..
He said '' they were blind, wretched, naked and blind'' and this is because Jesus is OUTIDE KNOCKING not inside preaching. Men are preaching not the Holy Spirit.
Religion has become a BIG BUSINESS and remember Jesus went in and destroyed the tables of the money changers and their merchantising.
Church~~~ YOU CANNOT SELL THE GOSPEL.why?
its not yours to sell but another who died to give it FREELY
this form of godliness does no good to any man.
BUT WHO shall believe this? ONLY THOSE who have been CALLED AWAY from apostacy.
btw - THE THEME OF SATAN IS ''MAKE IT ATTRACTIVE'' - HE PLAYED HIS JOKE OF MOTHER EVE = how?
THE DEVIL TURNED HER EYES AWAY FROM THE WORD AND INTO THE DEVILS ATTRACTIVE WAYS = SHE WAS SEDUCED and the same religious trick is still working
The word is divine [it is living] and cannot be mixed up with man's opinions or theories.
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Not word games. I took your question and answered it.
You said:
Again, what was required for my salvation was completed, finished, fulfilled, by Jesus Christ.
John 19:30
30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Salvation is of the LORD (Jonah 2:9). It is God-centered, God-planned, God-implemented, God-applied, and God-finished, or fulfilled and completed as Jesus Himself says on the cross. I will not add to it, nor subtract from it, nor change it, for it can NEVER be changed for God is Immutable and does not change.
What was required for my salvation was wholly God-inspired and God-performed.
Now, if you want me to be man-centered, then I will have to say I had a part in my salvation, I had the faith to believe, I baptized myself in the Holy Spirit, I made myself in Union with Christ, I was co-operator in my salvation, I, I, I, I, I.
But then that would be a lie.
And no, everyone is not saved and going to heaven. That false god is not the One True God.
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Are these things all required for salvation? Was it not your decision to accept the gift of salvation?
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What decision?
I was a slave of sin and it was my master.
I was bought with a price.
I only went from one master to another Master.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1 Corinthians 7:22-24
22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
God did the choosing, God did the calling, God did the saving, God did the baptizing, God did it all. As Jonah said, "Salvation is of the LORD" (Jonah 2:9).
This is true Biblical Christianity.
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So how did your decision come to place? Wasn't it free will?
Predestination is unbiblical.
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man i love you my brother. your heart is real and so is what the spirit is leading you in. your right. religous traditions have become the snapshot of the churches. it is a sad thing to see so many decieved by such things.
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thanks for your courtesy towards me.
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always BEGIN at the foundation = Jesus said '' I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH [ekklesia not made with hands ] AND THE GATES [as openings] of hell [ the grave, the flawed carnal mind, sin and death] SHALL NOT [ever never] prevail against her''
THIS IS THE BASIC description of the LIVING STONES to be built up into the EKKLESIA of the Lord and this building up of His Body IS NEVER EVER NEVER EVER MADE by hands [mortal adamic religious flesh]
IF THE CHURCH SYSTEM is built by man, his theories, his 1/2 truths, his mixtures and his paganism under a dying clergy - IT CANNOT BE THE HOUSE OF THE LORD -ever never ever AND IT SHALL NEVER reproduce abundant life as per John 10 v 10.
why not?
BECAUSE the gates of hell do not prevail against the LIVING BODY OF CHRIST - for these overcomers HAVE OVECOME all what Jesus requires when He had apostle John the Beloved write the 1st 3 chapters of the Revelation.
AS THE HEAD IS - SO IS THE BODY - THE HEAD IS UNDYING SO IS THE BODY - A pecular people, a royal house, Zion the small flock in the city of God. - ALL HAVE the disciples training and only eve ever ever and again ever FOLLOW THE LAMB, wheresoever He goest and these are the REDEEMED.
Jesus is not marrying a worn out religious pharisee ***** who runs after every whim of doctrine and traditional teaching.
THE REDEEMED have been trained up to OVERCOME their personl flawed choices, sins and wild theories of religion.
THE HOLY SPIRIT, shall never ever ever ever give any glory to anyone BUT THE SAVIOUR HIMSELF.
KNOW immediately also - it was Judas who carried the purse and when you ''follow the money trails and all religious merchantising'' know you follow Judas.
however, it is a sad day to see so many sincere people being tricked by a FORM of GODLINESS - but the sad fact is ''they loved not the truth to be saved''.
so
we have to look into the roots of denominational founders and see their flaws, inconsistencies, lifestyles, sins and walk away for they bring forth wretchedness, blindness,nakedness and want and spiritual cripples are formed as a hybrid species and not a NEW CREATION at all.
THE TRUTH IS A PERSON not a religion.
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We all, are 1st a spiritual being, lowered into a human frame - Jesus taught =ALLOW THE SPIRIT OF LIFE TO DOMINATE not the human body flesh man adam. THE FLESH MAN dominates all religions.
IT IS NO GOOD TELLING me about your sect/creed/reverend/priest/Pastor and their views - THEY ALL END UP remaining in THE MATRIX OF VANITY - but tell me HOW YOU, FOLLOW THE LAMB, and how YOUR WHOLE BEING- spirit soul and body IS BEING RESTORED, RENEWED, REDEEMED and returned back TO ITS ORIGINAL DIVINE CONDITION here.
remember this 1 thing - NOT 1 OF THESE founders of religion have ever reproduced CHRISTLIKE MINISTRY in anyone for 2000yrs.
DONT TELL ME ABOUT THEM please.
I NEED TRUE LIFE - now.
THAT IS MY GOAL AND MY DESTINY and i shall not move from this standard.
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I agree Ushalk but another problem is that the church has started to embrace the sinful ways of the world
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While all this is true, belonging to a denomination, using a building, having a pastor (part of the church given specifically by God Eph 4:11 ) and any other factors one would cite does not disqualify anyone (or any group of believers) from being Christians. In fact being a pastor is just as biblical as being an evangelist, or an apostle, or any other type of believer.
Non denominational pride (if only they worshiped and believed like us they would be okay) is just the same as denominational pride- it reeks of the flesh.
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unfortunately you are right. there are so many warnings given about these things in the letters that paul wrote to the churches of old. yet they are read more as a history lesson than speaking to us today. many people believe that the letters are not for us today so they do not allow the word to live within them or their congregations. this destroys so many peoples faith and leads them closer to hell.
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i likke what you wrote here. i agree there is nothing wrong with worshipping in a building with others. the problem is the manipulations that are used to control and manipulate the people in believing that if they do not they are not saved. being a pastor is biblical aswell. however being called to be a pastor and doing it for a career are two different things. also semenary pastors are not pastors in my book. they stick to things that they were taught in a school by a man rather than thing that the lord has given them through their seeking him. that is why so many church sermans today sound more like a bible study or a history lesson.
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Well, it is never a good thing to lump everyone in the same pot. The church (group of believers or fellowship) where I attend has none of those negative qualities. My pastor, yes he is full time in the ministry, but again I do not have a problem with one devoting themselves to that ; after Pentecost the Apostles did not even want to stop praying and ministering to wait tables.
Each body of believers (the ones where God is welcome) is in fact usually quite unique. It is a shame to put all those eggs in one basket without so much as knowing them seems more than a little presumptuous. While there are many dead churches I agree, I have been ot dead home meetings as well, and I have been to "churches" filled with Holy Ghost fire.
Each body of believers (the ones where God is welcome) is in fact usually quite unique. It is a shame to put all those eggs in one basket without so much as knowing them seems more than a little presumptuous. While there are many dead churches I agree, I have been ot dead home meetings as well, and I have been to "churches" filled with Holy Ghost fire.
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The church isn't a body, however it is the "body" of believers. Not a person standing alone.
Also a building isn't required to lead people astray. Charles Manson, the Heavens Gate cult, and the Branch Davidians all started their "ministries" off small without buildings.
Everything that happens in a church building isn't bad.
Everything that happens outside the church isn't good.
The building isn't what determines what's in a persons heart.
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i can agree with this. but lets take a gun in and point it at everyone in the church and tell them deny christ or die and see how many stay there. we can look at it however they want but when the leader ship is bad then the church is not hearing the truth. this is sadly what is the problem today. jesus refers to us as sheep and he is right. if one sheep falls off of the cliff the rest will follow. that is what we see in many churches today. dead sheep following a wolf in sheeps clothing. sorry but it is true. and the most of those wolves are from semenary schools and denominations. now i do not believe that many of them are liing on purpose while a lot of them are. but if they are preaching semenary lessons then i cant help but to wonder whre christ is in their lives.
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it is a ''sincere'' tradition of men to go to church in a building, with 1 man ruler over them callled a priest, a pastor, a reverend - each from a divisional creed with different opinions of ''who is right''.
Jesus foreknew this and had John the divine write of this blindness in Rev. 3 v 18 - the man ruled over churches - NOW NOTICE JESUS SAYS He is door knocking therefore no matter how much a person believe Jesus IS IN THEIR CHURCH - He is not as He Himself said so.
HE IS NOT THERE - HE SAID >>>>>>
who is preaching inside? a man educated in a seminary who traditionally cannot reproduce anyone in the same Image as Messiah.
ofcourse this news shall upset sincere religious people, but, it is better to be upset than be so deceived as to remain unsaved.
HOW CAN U BE UNSAVED?
by living a life without transformation, freedom from vanity and redeemed from the powers of darkness.
CHURCHattendance nor church hopping does not save people. TRADITIONS are UNACCEPTABLE in the Kingdom of God.
if you consider each sect/creed/traditional church is built upon some '' religious founder'' = Laocadea is man ruled thats the real meaning of this problem - hence their blindness and unsuccessfull salvation messages. PEOPLE STILL DIE - why? sin still kills. NO SIN NO DEATH.
All very easy to understand once you get the revelation of the true meaning of Laodicea and her wickedness.
Jesus foreknew this and had John the divine write of this blindness in Rev. 3 v 18 - the man ruled over churches - NOW NOTICE JESUS SAYS He is door knocking therefore no matter how much a person believe Jesus IS IN THEIR CHURCH - He is not as He Himself said so.
HE IS NOT THERE - HE SAID >>>>>>
who is preaching inside? a man educated in a seminary who traditionally cannot reproduce anyone in the same Image as Messiah.
ofcourse this news shall upset sincere religious people, but, it is better to be upset than be so deceived as to remain unsaved.
HOW CAN U BE UNSAVED?
by living a life without transformation, freedom from vanity and redeemed from the powers of darkness.
CHURCHattendance nor church hopping does not save people. TRADITIONS are UNACCEPTABLE in the Kingdom of God.
if you consider each sect/creed/traditional church is built upon some '' religious founder'' = Laocadea is man ruled thats the real meaning of this problem - hence their blindness and unsuccessfull salvation messages. PEOPLE STILL DIE - why? sin still kills. NO SIN NO DEATH.
All very easy to understand once you get the revelation of the true meaning of Laodicea and her wickedness.
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This is great. I think it is sad how many put their faith in brick and mortar and one man dictating to all, rather than Christ. This is very true.
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There is nothing wrong with church buildings. The early church met in homes AND the temple. A dedicated place of worship is not against the bible.. but not worshiping in spirit and truth is against the bible, whether in a building or outside of it. The issue is whether you are truly in the spirit and the word,. or are you in your self, your mind, your opinions, your feelings and your will.
But denominations make it harder to serve God, make it harder for the Spirit to flow.. where man's control exists.. God's control is absent. Revelation 3:20 - Jesus stands at the door and knock.. which door is he knocking? He is knocking on the door of a genuine church, not a denomination.. he is knocking on the door of the church in Laodicea...they will be lukewarm so they leave Jesus outside the door. The problems are not just denominations, also the no denominations also have problems.. the problems is with human self..
But on principle.. let us not identify ourself by denominations. Denominations take a name other than Christ to identify themselves. You would not like your wife to take the last name of another man. So God does not like it when the church, His bride.. takes the name of man other than Christ. Church of England is unbiblical, church of Luther, also unbiblical.. church is not of a man or of a country, church belongs to God.. Baptist church.. identify themselves by the way they practice baptism.. but should we also have a 'prayer church', why not a 'tithing church', why not a 'book-reading church'.. identify yourselves by what you believe or what you do.. you will always take a name other than Christ to identify yourself, because Christ alone is not enough for you... Christ wants you to be His bride without spot and wrinkle but you prefer to call yourself by another husband's name... who was Luther? who was Calvin? who was Wesley? these are only servants of God He used to bless the body.. but He did not tell you to make a denomination bearing their names.
But denominations make it harder to serve God, make it harder for the Spirit to flow.. where man's control exists.. God's control is absent. Revelation 3:20 - Jesus stands at the door and knock.. which door is he knocking? He is knocking on the door of a genuine church, not a denomination.. he is knocking on the door of the church in Laodicea...they will be lukewarm so they leave Jesus outside the door. The problems are not just denominations, also the no denominations also have problems.. the problems is with human self..
But on principle.. let us not identify ourself by denominations. Denominations take a name other than Christ to identify themselves. You would not like your wife to take the last name of another man. So God does not like it when the church, His bride.. takes the name of man other than Christ. Church of England is unbiblical, church of Luther, also unbiblical.. church is not of a man or of a country, church belongs to God.. Baptist church.. identify themselves by the way they practice baptism.. but should we also have a 'prayer church', why not a 'tithing church', why not a 'book-reading church'.. identify yourselves by what you believe or what you do.. you will always take a name other than Christ to identify yourself, because Christ alone is not enough for you... Christ wants you to be His bride without spot and wrinkle but you prefer to call yourself by another husband's name... who was Luther? who was Calvin? who was Wesley? these are only servants of God He used to bless the body.. but He did not tell you to make a denomination bearing their names.
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It seems even stranger that many entertain the delusion that believers go there for the brick and mortar. Jesus lives in the believer, He is there because they are there. Meeting in a home, a field, or a back alley- none of these is more spiritual than gathering together in a building. Where we go He is there:
This is simply a case of religious folks majoring on the minors once again.
As far as having a Pastor, this was God's design and not man's, so the argument is (again) with Him.
Believers should be at least mature enough to understand that others may worship in a different setting and still belong to Christ; if not, they need some time on their knees.
The thing most condemn in a denomination- pridefully thinking they are the only ones to have it together and only they know the "right way" to do things- that is the same spirit rising up on the non affiliated affiliates. Thank God they are not like other flawed men....
This is simply a case of religious folks majoring on the minors once again.
As far as having a Pastor, this was God's design and not man's, so the argument is (again) with Him.
Believers should be at least mature enough to understand that others may worship in a different setting and still belong to Christ; if not, they need some time on their knees.
The thing most condemn in a denomination- pridefully thinking they are the only ones to have it together and only they know the "right way" to do things- that is the same spirit rising up on the non affiliated affiliates. Thank God they are not like other flawed men....