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Yea, hath God said? Was Eve lying?

JerryfromMass

JerryfromMass

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Regarding the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil: did God say as Eve is quoted God as having said "neither shall ye touch it"?
 
JerryfromMass said:
Regarding the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil: did God say as Eve is quoted God as having said "neither shall ye touch it"?
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'Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field - (Revelation 12:9; Revelation 20:2; 2 Corinthians 11:3)
which the LORD God had made.
And he said unto the woman,
Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
And the woman said unto the serpent,
We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden,
God hath said,
Ye shall not eat of it,
neither shall ye touch it,
lest ye die.'
(Gen 3:2-3)

Hello @JerryfromMass,

Eve, like many another, does not relate God's word to Adam regarding the tree of life, correctly. She elaborates, and thereby gives her enemy a foothold. This is a lesson for us all.

This word of God was given to Adam, before Eve came into being. God said:-

'And the LORD God commanded the man, saying,
Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof
thou shalt surely die.'
(Gen 2:16)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
complete said:
'Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field - (Revelation 12:9; Revelation 20:2; 2 Corinthians 11:3)
which the LORD God had made.
And he said unto the woman,
Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
And the woman said unto the serpent,
We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden,
God hath said,
Ye shall not eat of it,
neither shall ye touch it,
lest ye die.'
(Gen 3:2-3)

Hello @JerryfromMass,

Eve, like many another, does not relate God's word to Adam regarding the tree of life, correctly. She elaborates, and thereby gives her enemy a foothold. This is a lesson for us all.

This word of God was given to Adam, before Eve came into being. God said:-

'And the LORD God commanded the man, saying,
Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the day that thou eatest thereof
thou shalt surely die.'
(Gen 2:16)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Did Eve lie?
 
JerryfromMass said:
Did Eve lie?
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Well, not from her point of view probably. God told Adam, and Adam told Eve. And he probably added, "its best to not even touch it" or something to that affect. Adam was like a friend of God. Eve was less so, but not by a huge amount, and her relationship with Adam was probably a lot like Adams relationship with God, love and admiration. I would guess that Adam told her what God told him and then added his own wisdom of avoiding it altogether. She may have assumed God said it as she may have gotten the info second handed.
 
Brad Huber said:
Well, not from her point of view probably. God told Adam, and Adam told Eve. And he probably added, "its best to not even touch it" or something to that affect. Adam was like a friend of God. Eve was less so, but not by a huge amount, and her relationship with Adam was probably a lot like Adams relationship with God, love and admiration. I would guess that Adam told her what God told him and then added his own wisdom of avoiding it altogether. She may have assumed God said it as she may have gotten the info second handed.
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That is assuming a lot. Can we not also assume that what Eve said is true: that God did in fact tell them at some point not to touch the fruit?
 
JerryfromMass said:
Why would she lie? Weren't Adam and Eve living in perfect harmony with God before she was beguiled by the devil?
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You asked the question, Jerry.
Perhaps you should supply the answer.
For you do not seem to wish to acknowledge any other response.
 
complete said:
You asked the question, Jerry.
Perhaps you should supply the answer.
For you do not seem to wish to acknowledge any other response.
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Aren't you assuming she lied because you also assume that all God said to Adam and Eve is that which is recorded in the Bible?
 
complete said:
Eve took the truth and elaborated on it. Thereby falling into a lie. It is something we should all be wary of doing.
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If there was perfect harmony between God and Adam and Eve, what need would there be forr Eve to "elaborate" on anything? Again, all was perfect.
 
JerryfromMass said:
That is assuming a lot. Can we not also assume that what Eve said is true: that God did in fact tell them at some point not to touch the fruit?
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Of course. An assumption is just that, people do it all the time. Not unlike yours also. Just saying....
 
Brad Huber said:
Of course. An assumption is just that, people do it all the time. Not unlike yours also. Just saying....
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Yes. Agreed. However, most assume the worst, that is to say: the Bible is silent, therefore Eve lied. I prefer to assume the relationship God had with Adam and Eve was perfect. Therefore, knowledge of good and evil (lying is evil) could only be acquired after rebelling, e.g., their naked shame was known only after they'd rebelled, there must also logically follow the assumption that Eve would not know to lie, since lying is not harmonious with perfection. I prefer to believe that somewhere in their perfect harmonious relationship with God, God told them not to touch the fruit. Therefore, it can be rightly asdumed that Eve was being truthful, since truthfulness is in harmony with God.
 
complete said:
Eve went beyond what is written and look what happened to her.
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There was no writing for Eve to follow, as far as we know. All we have is Eve's statement of what God said. Lying comes from an evil heart. Evil did not enter into the heart of man until after the fall. If there was perfect harmony between God and A&E, therefore no evil in them, how could Eve have conceived a lie?
 
JerryfromMass said:
Yes. Agreed. However, most assume the worst, that is to say: the Bible is silent, therefore Eve lied. I prefer to assume the relationship God had with Adam and Eve was perfect. Therefore, knowledge of good and evil (lying is evil) could only be acquired after rebelling, e.g., their naked shame was known only after they'd rebelled, there must also logically follow the assumption that Eve would not know to lie, since lying is not harmonious with perfection. I prefer to believe that somewhere in their perfect harmonious relationship with God, God told them not to touch the fruit. Therefore, it can be rightly asdumed that Eve was being truthful, since truthfulness is in harmony with God.
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Hello Jerry,

We are not told Adam and Eve were perfect, neither is their relationship with God described as perfect. They were in a state of innocence, for they had not yet eaten of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Knowledge brings responsibility, and responsibility brings culpability and the possibility of judgment.

We have nothing other than the written word to inform us concerning these things, and only by comparing what God said with Eve's words can we determine anything. God made no mention of the necessity not to touch the tree, yet Eve said that God had told them not to touch it. So that has to have been an assumption on her part and not the truth.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
complete said:
@JerryfromMass

Perhaps you should get to the point you are trying to make.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Sure. Ask yourself why you assume the worst? God created man in HIS image and after HIS likeness, and before the fall they lived in perfect harmony. Since there was no sin in the heart of man before the fall, how could a pure undefiled heart living in perfect harmony with God, before the actual fall, conceive of the evil act of lying?

You assume Eve lied because you assume God said nothing of touching the fruit simply because the Bible is silent. Why not assume that, even though the Bible is silent, Eve was truthful in what she said?

Do you also assume that God said nothing else to A&E except those few statements recorded in Genesis? Curious.
 
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