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God created all things good. Right? So you are saying perfect does not equate with God created all things good?
Yea, hath God said? Was Eve lying?
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Hello Brad Huber,
I am not the one who brought the word 'perfect' into this discussion, so I think you should direct your question to the one who did. Yes God saw all that He had made and declared it to be good (Genesis 1:31). The word 'good' in that context has a wide interpretation.
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Innocence is perfection. The first Adam was completely innocent before the fall, therefore perfect just as God incarnate (the last Adam) was perfect because HE was completely innocent.
I don't know how you can see it otherwise. Do you need those words written for you in the Bible to believe the first Adam was living in sinless perfection before the fall?
Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:6
See that you do everything I command you; do not add to it or subtract from it.
Deuteronomy 12:2
When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: Fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the whole duty of man.
Ecclesiastes 12:13
Proverbs 30:6
See that you do everything I command you; do not add to it or subtract from it.
Deuteronomy 12:2
When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: Fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the whole duty of man.
Ecclesiastes 12:13
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Timothy 2:14
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Corinthians 11:3
1Timothy 2:14
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Corinthians 11:3
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If God's word says "God hath said..." aren't we bound to believe it to be true, i.e., that God hath said?
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There is a slight difference.
Gen 2:16 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely;
Gen 2:17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."
Gen 3:1; Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Indeed, has God said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'?"
Gen 3:2; The woman said to the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;
Satan changes it slightly... "You can't eat from "any" tree in the garden. But Eve doesn't fall for the lie.
Gen 3:3; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'"
Gen 3:4; The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!
Gen 3:5; "For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
1. God specifies "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil"
2. Satan says "any" tree.
3. Eve says "the tree in the middle of the garden" (which presumably is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil)
This is why we have to know the word. Satan changes things ever so slightly, some people never notice.
Gen 2:16 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely;
Gen 2:17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."
Gen 3:1; Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Indeed, has God said, 'You shall not eat from any tree of the garden'?"
Gen 3:2; The woman said to the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat;
Satan changes it slightly... "You can't eat from "any" tree in the garden. But Eve doesn't fall for the lie.
Gen 3:3; but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'"
Gen 3:4; The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!
Gen 3:5; "For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
1. God specifies "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil"
2. Satan says "any" tree.
3. Eve says "the tree in the middle of the garden" (which presumably is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil)
This is why we have to know the word. Satan changes things ever so slightly, some people never notice.
Greetings,
please stop and consider,
Is it recorded that GOD said, "God hath said..."?
Bless you ....><>
please stop and consider,
Is it recorded that GOD said, "God hath said..."?
Bless you ....><>
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Yes, indeed. Eve said: "God hath said..." I believe her. Many say she lied. But how could she have lied if she was innocent at that time?
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Yes, I agree. Know the Word, for HIS word is truth. When Eve said, "God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.", she was in a state of innocence. If innocent, how can what she said not be true?
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A lie is an attempt to deceive...No Eve did not lie.
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The word translates to "Every tree"
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Not every word spoken by God is listed in Scripture .
Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Joh 21:25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
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Hello @Admon Mika'el,
I do not believe that Eve intended to deceive, but she added to God's word, which can be equally damaging. May we never find ourselves caught in the same trap.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
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There was no injunction against adding to Gods Word at that time....Today, what Eve did is called 'paraphrasing'. Eve did nothing wrong there...She got deceived but God put no blame on her at all.
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You can think that if you want but there was still no injunction against what Eve said.
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How do you know Eve added to God's Word ? We can think she did but we dont know. God may have gone into detail that was not recorded we just dont know. We can guess, figure, surmise, assume etc. Do we know as a fact God only said what Moses recorded?
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Every word that Jesus ever uttered whether in new testament times, or in times past or present or future..... they are ALL God's words. The only difference between any of them is what most of christianity agree's upon as being God's word. Now sometimes people may be making stuff up to sound important to others, but its "them" who have to account to God for adding or subtracting. Not anyone here on this earth. Its one thing to not believe what is said, but its altogether wrong to tell someone that what they said is NOT of God, unless there is direct biblical evidence in scripture against it (not insinuated or logic'd out by man's logic). God finds our earthly wisdom and knowledge to be less than His own foolishness.
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Genesis 2:7 And YHWH God forms the man - dust from the ground, and breathes into his nostrils breath of life, and the man becomes a living creature.
2:8 And YHWH God plants a garden in Eden, at the east, and He sets there the man whom He has formed;
2:9 and YHWH God causes to sprout from the ground every tree desirable for appearance, and good for food, and the Tree of Life in the midst of the garden, and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
2:16 And YHWH God lays a charge on the man, saying, “From every tree of the garden eating you eat;
2:17 but from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, you do not eat from it, for in the day of your eating from it - dying you die.”
Genesis 2:22 And YHWH God builds up the rib which He has taken out of the man into a woman, and brings her to the man;
2:23 and the man says, “This at last! Bone of my bone, and flesh of my flesh!” For this is called Woman, for this has been taken from Man;
2:24 therefore a man leaves his father and his mother, and has cleaved to his wife, and they have become one flesh.
Genesis 3:1 And the serpent has been cunning above every beast of the field which YHWH God has made, and he says to the woman, “Is it true that God has said, You do not eat from every tree of the garden?”
3:2 And the woman says to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we eat,
3:3 but from the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God has said, You do not eat of it, nor touch it, lest you die.”
3:4 And the serpent says to the woman, “Dying, you do not die,
3:5 for God knows that in the day of your eating of it - your eyes have been opened, and you have been as God, knowing good and evil.”
3:6 And the woman sees that the tree [is] good for food, and that it [is] pleasant to the eyes, and the tree is desirable to make [one] wise, and she takes from its fruit and eats, and also gives [some] to her husband with her, and he eats;
3:7 and the eyes of them both are opened, and they know that they [are] naked, and they sew fig-leaves, and make girdles for themselves.
Although it is not recorded that God spoke directly to Eve not to touch the tree and its fruit, one could argue that touching the forbidden fruit was necessary to eat of it. and given that God [Jesus] spent time with them
he may well of chatted to them about a great many topics and reaffirmed his instructions to them.
2:8 And YHWH God plants a garden in Eden, at the east, and He sets there the man whom He has formed;
2:9 and YHWH God causes to sprout from the ground every tree desirable for appearance, and good for food, and the Tree of Life in the midst of the garden, and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
2:16 And YHWH God lays a charge on the man, saying, “From every tree of the garden eating you eat;
2:17 but from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, you do not eat from it, for in the day of your eating from it - dying you die.”
Genesis 2:22 And YHWH God builds up the rib which He has taken out of the man into a woman, and brings her to the man;
2:23 and the man says, “This at last! Bone of my bone, and flesh of my flesh!” For this is called Woman, for this has been taken from Man;
2:24 therefore a man leaves his father and his mother, and has cleaved to his wife, and they have become one flesh.
Genesis 3:1 And the serpent has been cunning above every beast of the field which YHWH God has made, and he says to the woman, “Is it true that God has said, You do not eat from every tree of the garden?”
3:2 And the woman says to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we eat,
3:3 but from the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God has said, You do not eat of it, nor touch it, lest you die.”
3:4 And the serpent says to the woman, “Dying, you do not die,
3:5 for God knows that in the day of your eating of it - your eyes have been opened, and you have been as God, knowing good and evil.”
3:6 And the woman sees that the tree [is] good for food, and that it [is] pleasant to the eyes, and the tree is desirable to make [one] wise, and she takes from its fruit and eats, and also gives [some] to her husband with her, and he eats;
3:7 and the eyes of them both are opened, and they know that they [are] naked, and they sew fig-leaves, and make girdles for themselves.
Although it is not recorded that God spoke directly to Eve not to touch the tree and its fruit, one could argue that touching the forbidden fruit was necessary to eat of it. and given that God [Jesus] spent time with them
he may well of chatted to them about a great many topics and reaffirmed his instructions to them.
