Why does God send people to hell?

[Garee]

who will rule it?

Hell is the daily suffering we experience in these dying bodies of death . Death the one appointment that will be on time

Yoked with Christ he can make it lighter with a promise beyond what the eyes see.

Satan is the god of this one world government.

 

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Hell is the daily suffering we experience in these dying bodies of death . Death the one appointment that will be on time

Yoked with Christ he can make it lighter with a promise beyond what the eyes see.

Satan is the god of this one world government.

'For laying aside the commandment of God,
.. ye hold the tradition of men,
.... as the washing of pots and cups:
...... and many other such like things ye do.
And He said unto them,
.. Full well ye reject the commandment of God,
.... that ye may keep your own tradition..'
(Mar 7:8-9)

Hello @Garee,

This subject concerning the Scriptural usage of the word. 'Hell', and it's meaning, is so imbedded in tradition, isn't it? Only by seeing the root meaning of the word ('to hide away', or ,'the place of the dead') and studying each reference to Hell in Scripture, within it's context, in the light of that, can the true meaning and usage be understood, and free the searcher from the bonds of tradition, to the acknowledging of the truth.

The other stumbling-block is the refusal to acknowledge that death is the absence of life, ( the spirit of life having departed to go to God Who gave it) and therefore of consciousness, and the operation of the senses.

There is no life apart from the resurrection of the dead by the power of God.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[B-A-C]

There is no life apart from the resurrection of the dead by the power of God.

True, but Everyone gets resurrected. Everyone.

John 5:28 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Acts 24:15 having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.

Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 This is the first resurrection. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed.

It seems there is a thousand years between the two resurrections. But even so... "the rest of the dead" eventually come back to life to face the judgment.

 

[Garee]

'For laying aside the commandment of God,
.. ye hold the tradition of men,
.... as the washing of pots and cups:
...... and many other such like things ye do.
And He said unto them,
.. Full well ye reject the commandment of God,
.... that ye may keep your own tradition..'
(Mar 7:8-9)

Hello @Garee,

This subject concerning the Scriptural usage of the word. 'Hell', and it's meaning, is so imbedded in tradition, isn't it? Only by seeing the root meaning of the word ('to hide away', or ,'the place of the dead') and studying each reference to Hell in Scripture, within it's context, in the light of that, can the true meaning and usage be understood, and free the searcher from the bonds of tradition, to the acknowledging of the truth.

The other stumbling-block is the refusal to acknowledge that death is the absence of life, ( the spirit of life having departed to go to God Who gave it) and therefore of consciousness, and the operation of the senses.

There is no life apart from the resurrection of the dead by the power of God.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Thanks

One thing I would suggest is look to the usage or outcome.as law, in so much that God does not hear and therefore commune with the dead (necromancing) .

In suffering Jonas and Jesus, the Son of man in companion parables they cried out in suffering "unto death" hell. . not literal dead never to rise.. Both were delivered of the suffering. By his wounds or bruised heel, we are saved.

As born-again believers they are given ears to hear his faithful understanding. The dead unconverted hear nothing and cannot pray..

Matthew 11:5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

Reminds me of the shortest what I call the saddest verse. Jesus, because of parables that hide the spiritual unseen understanding, Jesus proved to be the most misunderstood lonely person that ever-walked on water . He was saddened because of their misinterpretation.no unseen spiritual gospel understanding

John 11:35 Jesus wept.

With Lazarus taking a day further "four days". Four can mean time of testing. Three denotes the end of a matter.

Different purposes for each promised demonstration

Fours day the Holy Father kept Lazarus body from corrupting beyond the point of no return. Three days with Jesus. At the end of the three days Christ the Father removed the grave clothes of the Son and rolled back the stone. The promised work of two the Son of man Jesus revealing to the whole world the power of the Father's labor of love

With Lazarus the disciples were to remove the stingy grave clothes and roll back the stone. I would think a picture of completing salvation three days and four, the welcoming of a new believer the hands-on, time-consuming job sometimes stinky

John11:38-41 ;Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

 

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Thanks

One thing I would suggest is look to the usage or outcome.as law, in so much that God does not hear and therefore commune with the dead (necromancing) .​

For laying aside the commandment of God,
.. ye hold the tradition of men,
.... as the washing of pots and cups:
...... and many other such like things ye do.
And He said unto them,
.. Full well ye reject the commandment of God,
.... that ye may keep your own tradition..'
(Mar 7:8-9)

Hello @Garee,

What 'usage' & 'outcome' are you referring to, Garee?

* The Pharsees believed it was possible for the dead to communicate with the living, which is not Scriptural. That was one of the hypocrisies of the Pharisaic doctrine that our Lord sought to expose in the story of, 'The Rich Man and Lazarus'.

* The dead cannot communicate, for they are devoid of all means to do so, the brain being dead.

In suffering Jonas and Jesus, the Son of man in companion parables they cried out in suffering "unto death" hell. not literal dead never to rise.. Both were delivered of the suffering. By his wounds or bruised heel, we are saved.​

* Would you direct me to the Scriptures you refer to, so that I may understand the point you are trying to make please.

As born-again believers they are given ears to hear his faithful understanding. The dead unconverted hear nothing and cannot pray..​

* The 'ears to hear' were for them while they lived, The dead, whether believer or unbeliever, are not capable of hearing anything after death

Matthew 11:5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.​

​

Reminds me of the shortest what I call the saddest verse. Jesus, because of parables that hide the spiritual unseen understanding, Jesus proved to be the most misunderstood lonely person that ever-walked on water . He was saddened because of their misinterpretation.no unseen spiritual gospel understanding​

​

John 11:35 Jesus wept.​

* Yes indeed. It is a sad verse.

With Lazarus taking a day further "four days". Four can mean time of testing. Three denotes the end of a matter.​

​

Different purposes for each promised demonstration​

​

Fours day the Holy Father kept Lazarus body from corrupting beyond the point of no return. Three days with Jesus. At the end of the three days Christ the Father removed the grave clothes of the Son and rolled back the stone. The promised work of two the Son of man Jesus revealing to the whole world the power of the Father's labor of love​

​

With Lazarus the disciples were to remove the stingy grave clothes and roll back the stone. I would think a picture of completing salvation three days and four, the welcoming of a new believer the hands-on, time-consuming job sometimes stinky​

​

John11:38-41 ;Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.​

* Wonderful! The Lord is indeed,'The Resurrection and The Life'

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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True, but Everyone gets resurrected. Everyone.​

​

John 5:28 "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, ​

John 5:29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment. ​

Hello @B-A-C,

Everyone does get resurrected, but not all to life.

Acts 24:15 having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. ​

​

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.​

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.​

​

Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.​

Rev 20:5 This is the first resurrection. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed.​

​

It seems there is a thousand years between the two resurrections. But even so... "the rest of the dead" eventually come back to life to face the judgment.​

There are more than two resurrections though aren't there? The two you refer to: One taking place before the thousand year reign of the Overcomers with Christ, and the one which follows it, are just two I believe; For there is one that takes place in 1 Thess. 4 too. Also, the Church which is the Body of Christ will also 'appear' with Christ in glory, (Col. 3:4) at a time of God's choosing. So there are more than two.

Thank you
in Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[B-A-C]

There are more than two resurrections though aren't there? The two you refer to: One taking place before the thousand year reign of the Overcomers with Christ, and the one which follows it, are just two I believe; For there is one that takes place in 1 Thess. 4 too.

No, there are just two..
The one here which takes place after the tribulation.
The One in 1Thes 4 also takes places either during or more likely after the tribulation, why do I know this?

1Thes 4 13But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

This doesn't any timeline at all. But it does mention a trumpet.

1Cor 15 50Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, “DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory. 55“O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?” 56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; 57but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

When does this happen? According to verse 51, it happens at the "last" trumpet. Which would seemingly be after the seven trumpet plagues in Revelation (during the tribulaion)

Why invent 3 or more raptures when the Bible doesn't mention these anywhere?

2Thes 2 1Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

It says here that "the day of the Lord" (Jesus returning and "gathering us together to Him" won't happen until the man of lawlessness (the beast) is revealed, and takes his place in temple. When does that happen? Before the tribulation? No.

Back to the verse I previously mentioned.
Rev 20 4Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5This is the first resurrection. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. 6Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

If it specifically says "This is the first resurrection", why would you invent one to happen before this time? What would you call that one? The "before the first resurrection-resurrection"?

If the resurrection doesn't happen until "the last trumpet", and until "the man of lawlessness takes his place in the temple" and until the millennial reign is about to start. Why do you think there is another before these? Do you have any scripture that says "Before the tribulation"?

Besides the four passages above, I can give you two more that specifically say "After the tribulation".

Matt 24 29“But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30“And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. 31“And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Mark 13 24“But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, 25AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26“Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory. 27“And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.

All six of these passages say "after the tribulation" or "after the man of lawless is revealed" or "when the last trumpet sounds" or "after the millennial reign starts". Not a single one says "before"... so then... why make one up?

 

[th1bill]

Actually, there are five resurrections listed in the Holy Scriptures, and three of those have already been completed. The first is when Yashua called Lazarus out of his tomb, the second is the resurrection of our LORD, and the third is found in Matt. 27 where Yashua leads the Old Testament Saints through the Holy City on their way to Heaven, These are the three completed. The next is His calling the New Testament Saints from their graves, and then, at the end of the Thousand Year Reign, there is the calling of the Lost to the Great White Throne Judgment.

 

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No, there are just two..
The one here which takes place after the tribulation.
The One in 1Thes 4 also takes places either during or more likely after the tribulation, why do I know this?

1Thes 4 13But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.

This doesn't any timeline at all. But it does mention a trumpet.

1Cor 15 50Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, “DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory. 55“O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?” 56The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; 57but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

When does this happen? According to verse 51, it happens at the "last" trumpet. Which would seemingly be after the seven trumpet plagues in Revelation (during the tribulaion)

Why invent 3 or more raptures when the Bible doesn't mention these anywhere?

2Thes 2 1Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

It says here that "the day of the Lord" (Jesus returning and "gathering us together to Him" won't happen until the man of lawlessness (the beast) is revealed, and takes his place in temple. When does that happen? Before the tribulation? No.

Back to the verse I previously mentioned.
Rev 20 4Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5This is the first resurrection. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. 6Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

If it specifically says "This is the first resurrection", why would invent one to happen before this time? What would you call that one? The "before the first resurrection-resurrection"?

If the resurrection doesn't happen until "the last trumpet", and until "the man of lawlessness takes his place in the temple" and until the millennial reign is about to start. Why do you think there is another before these? Do you have any scripture that says "Before the tribulation"?

Besides the four passages above, I can give you two more that specifically say "After the tribulation".

Matt 24 29“But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30“And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. 31“And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Mark 13 24“But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, 25AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26“Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory. 27“And then He will send forth the angels, and will gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.

All six of these passages say "after the tribulation" or "after the man of lawless is revealed" or "when the last trumpet sounds" or "after the millennial reign starts". Not a single one says "before"... so then... why make one up?

'And God hath both raised up the Lord,
and will also raise up us by His Own power.'
(1Cor. 6:14 )

Hello @B-A-C,

Why do you have to suggest that I invented two more resurrections? Why would I do that?. When are you going to treat me like a child of God, who, like yourself, is beloved of the Father for Jesus sake?

There is also that spoken of as the resurrection of,' the Just and the Unjust'.(Acts 24:15) I will read your entry again, and come back if I need to, but you cannot categorically say there are only two resurrections at the end of the age, unless you choose to ignore what the Scripture says in (Col. 3:4, 1 Thess 4, 1 Cor. 15:52 to name a few).

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[B-A-C]

The first is when Yashua called Lazarus out of his tomb

Lazarus died again sometime after this.

His calling the New Testament Saints from their graves

Those in Matt 27:52 died again at some point.

is the resurrection of our LORD

Obviously Jesus was resurrected.

 

[B-A-C]

When are you going to treat me like a child of God, who, like yourself, is beloved of the Father for Jesus sake?

I could have used a better choice of words here, my apologies.

why would you invent one to happen before this time

When I used the phrase "why would you invent". I wasn't singling you out individually. I meant "you" as in anyone reading this.

 

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@B-A-C

Sorry for my reaction. It's been a long day.

Thank you
Chris

 

[Rhema]

A tesla bot can post. It is just coding.

So you're a tesla bot? That's what is making the posts under KingJ ?

Or is it that you cannot help what you write because you're just biological coding?

Remember, I asked who is making the free will choice to write what you post.

Again, I repeat, if God is both the Creator and always all knowing, there is no such thing as true free will.

Repeating a thing ad nauseam doesn't make it true. But your bot comment seems to imply that God made creation as some cosmic wind up clock that ticks away on its coding, and you're just a cog in that cosmic wheel of creation. This is a presumption if God is the creator of free will.

Does God have free will? And are you not made in the image of God? (Here even you ought to be able to put 2 and 2 together.)

It is not rocket science. It is not quantum mechanics. It is math a two year old should understand. Literally 1 + 1 = 2.

No, KingJ, cosmology is not as simple as addition. It's reductio ad absurdum.

If the term 'limited omniscience' is what is tripping you up,

It's not. The term is not tripping me up. The idea that God blew out part of his brain so that he cannot know all that is knowable in order for humans to have the illusion of free will... well, that's absurd. There ARE other views, but you reject any view that is not your own so it's not worth the time to explain.

As I said above, a tesla post can be programmed to post and think it is doing it independently.

A "tesla post" ??

Whatever you mean by "tesla bot," NO, it doesn't think anything.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Lazarus died again sometime after this.

Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?​

- John 21:21-23 KJV

 

[Christ4Ever]

Matt 25:46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Biased translations will always lead to eternal false doctrines.

And will go away these into punishment eternal, but the righteous into life eternal The Greek-English Interlinear New Testament (Zondervan)

Seems pretty much the same to me.

With the love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

 

[B-A-C]

Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

20 Peter, turning around, *saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following them; the one who also had leaned back on His bosom at the supper and said, “Lord, who is the one who betrays You?” 21 So Peter seeing him *said to Jesus, “Lord, and what about this man?” 22 Jesus *said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!”

That would be John (the apostle, aka John of Patmos) not Lazarus.
Lazarus wasn't an apostle. In fact I don't see his name mentioned anywhere in John 21.

You can try googling "Who is the disciple that Jesus loved".

 

[Rhema]

True, but Everyone gets resurrected. Everyone.

Everyone does get resurrected, but not all to life.

HI all,

I don't believe this to be the case.

@B-A-C, you had based your view on this verse:

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.​

- John 5:29 KJV

And at a simple reading, it does seem that everyone is resurrected, but that's only because the translation people believed such to be the case - so they translated it this way.

I provide a LINK to the Liddell Scott for "Resurrection" G386.

I 2. removal​

II 2. rising and moving off, removal​

As one can see, while ἀνάστασις (G386) can be used to describe the resurrection of the dead, it can also be used to describe the removal of people.

Without giving an entire seminary course here, there are many times where Jesus uses word play or juxtaposition of the same word to mean its opposite when such is applicable. I think this verse to be one of them.

και (AND) εκπορευσονται (SHALL BE CARRIED) οι (THEM) τα (THE) αγαθα ποιησαντες (GOOD-MAKING ones) εις (INTO) αναστασιν (RESURRECTION) ζωης (OF LIFE) οι δε (BUT THEM) τα (THE) φαυλα πραξαντες (FOUL-PRACTICING ones) εις (INTO) αναστασιν (REMOVAL) κρισεως (OF, due to, JUDGEMENT)​

Those practicing foulness do not necessarily need to be resurrected from the dead - just removed. Why even bother?

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

That would be John (the apostle, aka John of Patmos) not Lazarus.

PURE ASSUMPTION AND YOU KNOW THAT.

The only reason that Peter would even ask such a question is if the 'that one' had been dead. Otherwise the answer Jesus gave about him remaining alive is absurd.

Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus, "But Lord, what about this man?" Jesus said to him, "If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me." Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, "If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?"​

- John 21:21-23 NKJV

You can try googling "Who is the disciple that Jesus loved".

You can try reading your Bible.

Therefore the sisters sent to Him, saying, "Lord, behold, he whom You love is sick."​

- John 11:3 NKJV

Sometimes y'all are just blind as a bat.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Lazarus wasn't an apostle. In fact I don't see his name mentioned anywhere in John 21.

There's no mention of the name John in John 21 either.

The Gospel named John NEVER states the actual name of the author, nor does it state that the author was an Apostle. The word "apostle" isn't even in the Gospel named John, except as an oblique reference by Jesus to himself.

None of the Apostles are even named as apostles in the Gospel labeled John.

Don't you think y'all should read what is really written?

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Seems pretty much the same to me.

Birds of a feather.

The Greek-English Interlinear New Testament (Zondervan)

You mean Mounce's version? I had high hopes for his work, but he's more a toady than a bird.

Bill is the founder and President of BiblicalTraining.org, serves on the Committee for Bible Translation (which is responsible for the NIV translation of the Bible), ... (LINK).​

And since Zondervan owns the NIV copyright, Mounce is just the toady in their back pocket. There is no way that Mounce would author an interlinear that would get him fired. Zondervan itself is owned by News Corp, meaning Rupert Murdoch. So no possible bias there, right?

The first Interlinear that Zondervan published was based on the work by Dr. Alfred Marshall, but Zondervan published an interlinear to sell NIV Bibles. When somebody finally realized that Marshal's Interlinear directly contradicted portions of the NIV, Marshal was dropped like a hotcake.

But how can you not see any difference between everlasting and eternal? Regardless, you might wish to spend more than a 30 second commercial break to study the word G166 αἰώνιος. I've done so and am convinced the appropriate English gloss is PERMANENT.

And I'm afraid that my conclusion is αἰώνιος (age enduring).

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