Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[KingJ]

False He promised to Justify Abrahams seed by Faith, before they are born. Like Isaac, he was a Justified child of God, an heir of heaven before he was ever born, by Gods promise. So his faith/believing was inevitable because God had promised it. And so it is with al subsequent believers Gal 4:28

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

A believer was a child of promise before they became a believer in time.

You are reading Calvinism into the text instead of drawing your doctrine from it.

Galatians 4:28 does not say Isaac was justified before he was born. It says, "we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise." The comparison is about the manner in which God's covenant promise came, not the timing of personal justification.

You have yet to produce a single verse that says a person is justified before they believe. In fact, Scripture repeatedly says the opposite.

Romans 5:1: "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God..."

Galatians 2:16: "...that we might be justified by the faith of Christ..."

Acts 13:39: "And by him all that believe are justified..."

Your position requires justification before faith. Scripture consistently places justification after or by faith. Being a child of promise is not the same as already being justified. You are conflating election, promise, and justification into one concept, but the text never does.

 

[KingJ]

Yes Faith is irresistibly given to a predetermined group, the spiritual seed of Abraham, Gods elect. Hence its termed elsewhere the Faith of Gods elect Titus 1:1

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

Another common Calvinistic fallacy.

Titus 1:1 does not say God irresistibly gives faith only to the elect. You're adding that to the text.

Paul simply says his apostleship is "according to the faith of God's elect," meaning his ministry serves God's elect and their faith. The verse says nothing about how they came to faith.

If you want to prove irresistible grace, you need a verse that actually says, "God irresistibly gives faith only to the elect." Titus 1:1 doesn't say that.

In fact, Scripture repeatedly calls all people to believe. Jesus said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ." Paul preached, "God now commandeth all men everywhere to repent" (Acts 17:30). Commands to believe and repent make perfect sense if people are genuinely responsible to respond. They make little sense if only a predetermined group can do so because of an irresistible act of God.

You're not proving Calvinism from Titus 1:1. You're assuming Calvinism, then reading it back into the verse.

 

[Brightfame52]

Galatians 4:28 does not say Isaac was justified before he was born.

He was an heir of salvation b4 he was born as described in Heb 1:14

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Just like Abraham and Jacob Heb 11:9-10

9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

Now each person Jesus died for are born heirs of promise like Isaac, heaven was their home before they were born, and Jesus death Justified them.

 

[Brightfame52]

Titus 1:1 does not say God irresistibly gives faith only to the elect. You're adding that to the text.

It tells you who Faith is for. Gods elect ! In other words, in order to be given Faith in Christ the criteria is you have to be an elect