Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[Garee]

This is a rabbit trail away from my post points

It leads to target grace

Is grace a work of God the Faithful "Let there be" Creator?

Was the lamb slain finished in the six days Christ did work the same work of the Father that was outwardly demonstrated three days and nights therefore fulfilling the prophecy. Genisis 3:15 with Isaiah 53. The Father bruising the heel and the Father healing. . . crushing the head of the serpent

Making it about literal blood that must be poured out so it can return to the field of clay is the rabbit trail.

Literal blood without the spirit essence of life is dead it profits for zero

 

[Leumas]

Post 112 do you understand it, dont evade

It's nothing but
a bunch of malarkey.
And if I were to ask you
questions concerning it
you even though you said
it would not be able to answer
the questions without
contradicting yourself.
Even you don't understand it
Because it's a bunch of malarkey.

Doctrine of men and devils

 

[Brightfame52]

It leads to target grace

Is grace a work of God the Faithful "Let there be" Creator?

Was the lamb slain finished in the six days Christ did work the same work of the Father that was outwardly demonstrated three days and nights therefore fulfilling the prophecy. Genisis 3:15 with Isaiah 53. The Father bruising the heel and the Father healing. . . crushing the head of the serpent

Making it about literal blood that must be poured out so it can return to the field of clay is the rabbit trail.

Literal blood without the spirit essence of life is dead it profits for zero

Rabbit trail, this make your statement

 

[Brightfame52]

It's nothing but
a bunch of malarkey.
And if I were to ask you
questions concerning it
you even though you said
it would not be able to answer
the questions without
contradicting yourself.
Even you don't understand it
Because it's a bunch of malarkey.

Doctrine of men and devils

okay

 

[Garee]

Rabbit trail, this make your statement

You should be able to prove your statement.

 

[Brightfame52]

The justifier of him which believeth in Jesus !

Rom 3:26

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


Now in the original this verse reads in stead of " him which believeth in Jesus" it reads " him that is of the faith of Jesus"

The DRB bible translates it:

Through the forbearance of God, for the shewing of his justice in this time; that he himself may be just, and the justifier of him, who is of the faith of Jesus Christ.



Now God is Just and the Justifier of him that believeth in Jesus ! And why is that ?

This is why ! Because God had reckoned them one [In Union] and because of that He imputed their sins and guilt of law breaking, upon Him.

Now if we did not have a Union with Him when He was upon the Tree, God could not have been Just or pleased to lay upon Him the iniquity of us all Isa 53:6.For that would have been like punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty in our jurisprudence.

It would be like knowingly sending a innocent man to the gallows for murders of one who is yet guilty of the crimes. Yet because God viewed Christ and His Body [ the guilty church] as one as in the One Head and it's members, now then is the Justice of God manifest.

God is Just, even though Christ Himself personally never did any wrong, but yet those united to Him in a Legal bond a binding union did do the wrong. When Christ died for His People, He had already became bone and bone and flesh of flesh

Eph 5:29-30

29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

So, He is Legally the Saviour of His Body Eph 5:23

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

Now if Christ died for us without there being a Union with us, there is no Justice for us in His Death, and no need for Faith in His Blood ! Neither could our guilt and condemnation against God's Law be removed before His law and Justice ! 6

 

[Brightfame52]

You should be able to prove your statement.

What statement ? Are you reading the points I have been making with scripture ? Its not in my power to make people understand things, thats Gods responsibility.

 

[Garee]

This is a rabbit trail away from my post points

There is no justification in death but there is with a living sacrifice .

Christ is not a man. Eternal God cannot die.

He can suffer as he pours out his Holy Spirit life on dying flesh in jeopardy of his own Spirit

Your Trinty rabbit trail says Christ can die.

Is God a man as us?

 

[Brightfame52]

There is no justification in death but there is with a living sacrifice .

Christ is not a man. Eternal God cannot die.

He can suffer as he pours out his Holy Spirit life on dying flesh in jeopardy of his own Spirit

Your Trinty rabbit trail says Christ can die.

Is God a man as us?

More rabbit trail

 

[Garee]

More rabbit trail

More tryiy yrail

The justifier of him which believeth in Jesus !

Rom 3:26

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.


Now in the original this verse reads in stead of " him which believeth in Jesus" it reads " him that is of the faith of Jesus"

The DRB bible translates it:

Through the forbearance of God, for the shewing of his justice in this time; that he himself may be just, and the justifier of him, who is of the faith of Jesus Christ.



Now God is Just and the Justifier of him that believeth in Jesus ! And why is that ?

This is why ! Because God had reckoned them one [In Union] and because of that He imputed their sins and guilt of law breaking, upon Him.

Now if we did not have a Union with Him when He was upon the Tree, God could not have been Just or pleased to lay upon Him the iniquity of us all Isa 53:6.For that would have been like punishing the innocent for the crimes of the guilty in our jurisprudence.

The above is your rabbit trail .

Faith is a powerful "Let there be work" and "it was good" demonstrated by that which is seen the temporal dying son of man Jesus

God speaks of Christ the husband the Just invisible God as the Justifier

Jesus Christ, not Jesus the Son of man dying mankind.

God is not a m as us We are saved by His powerful work of faith or labor of his love jesu demonstrated the power of faith .Not as I wil but you Holy father Chrsit the one with power

 

[Brightfame52]

Justified in the name of the Lord !

1 Cor 6:11

11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

That those Jesus died for were Justified by His Death alone, meaning their Justification before God, its taught in this very verse, in that by His Blood alone they were Justified Rom 5:9 in the name of the Lord !

When something is done in the name of the Lord, He receives all the Glory and Credit for doing it. This Justification had nothing to do with what the one being Justified did. No, not their believing or repenting, but it had only to do with what Jesus Christ accomplished on their behalf, in His Name, His Person and Work, and therefore His Resurrection does testify that all for whom He bare their sins, that in Him, in His Name [Person] they are declared Justified Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and[He] was raised again for our justification

Hence Justified in the Name of the Lord ! 6

 

[Brightfame52]

More tryiy yrail

The above is your rabbit trail .

Faith is a powerful "Let there be work" and "it was good" demonstrated by that which is seen the temporal dying son of man Jesus

God speaks of Christ the husband the Just invisible God as the Justifier

Jesus Christ, not Jesus the Son of man dying mankind.

God is not a m as us We are saved by His powerful work of faith or labor of his love jesu demonstrated the power of faith .Not as I wil but you Holy father Chrsit the one with power

More rabbit trail

 

[Garee]

More rabbit trail

More denial.

Is faith a powerful tool ?

Does God have faith (belief system)?

 

[Brightfame52]

More denial.

Is faith a powerful tool ?

Does God have faith (belief system)?

More rabbit trail.

 

[Brightfame52]

A Declarative Justification !

Those in modern day false religion do deny that there is a Justification of those Christ died for apart from their God given Faith, of which the scripture does teach. One of the teachings of scripture to a declarative Justification before God is that of non imputation of sin. If God does not charge a people with sin, then He by that Justifieth them Per Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

The reason for the inquiry who shall lay any charges against God's Elect is to bring notice to the fact that God has not ! Why ? Because of non imputation of sin. Lets look at Rom 4:8

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

This applies to everyone Christ died for, because He was imputed with their sins, and so they are not ! Because of that, they acquitted from all sin, by non imputation.

This blessed man or men are Justified / Blessed because God will not count their sins against them in a way of condemnation now or in the Judgment. This also applies to a whole World of Blessed men and women 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

John Gill comment:

not imputing their trespasses. This was what he resolved upon from all eternity, that inasmuch as Christ was become the surety and substitute of his people, he would not impute their sins to them, or look for satisfaction for them from them; but would reckon and place them to the account of their surety, and expect satisfaction from him; and accordingly he did, and accordingly he had it. And this will, not to impute sin to his people, or not to punish for it, which existed in God from everlasting, is no other than a justification of them; for to whom the Lord does not impute sin, he imputes righteousness, and such are properly justified.

And so the World of 2 Cor 5:19 because of non imputation of sin is Justified by God Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Note: Those Persons reconciled to God by the Death of His Son, even while they are being enemies or unbelievers, God does not count their sins against them while they are being enemies 2 Cor 5:19 ! 6

 

[Brightfame52]

A Declarative Justification !2

Secondly, there is a Declarative Justification before God, apart from one's God given Faith, not only by Non Imputation of their sins, but also by Imputation of their sins to Christ Isa 53:6

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

That word laid means to cause to fall upon Him,to meet upon Him or to strike the mark !

Thats why the World Christ died for did not have its sins imputed to it 2 Cor 5:19; Rom 4:8 because their sins, trespasses, offense's, iniquities were caused to meet on Christ.

God the Father determined before the foundation of the World, not to charge, impute their sins and condemnation to them, but to lay them on Christ instead.

So the reason is once again answered as to why God did not charge His Elect Rom 8:33 and look at Rom 8:34a

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Because it was for Christ to die for their sins instead. He died for them because He was charged with them instead of them, so He bare their sins Isa 53:11-12

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

The word bare in Vs 11 is the hebrew word cabal

to bear, bear a load, drag oneself along

a) (Qal) to bear (a load)

b) (Pual) laden (participle)

c) (Hithpael) to make oneself a burden, drag oneself along

He received the penalties that the ones He died for deserved !

But notice the results of baring their sins, He made them to be accounted Righteous or He Justified many, and this Justification is based solely upon His baring their sins that were imputed to Him !

ESV Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous, and he shall bear their iniquities.

So God declares Righteous or Justified those whom sins were imputed to Christ for Him to bare in their stead !

 

[Garee]

More rabbit trail.

Looks like you are going to have to define your kind of rabbit trail ? You started it rather than answering questions.

Is grace a work of our Faithful Let there be Creator?

What is a law of faith?

 

[Brightfame52]

Looks like you are going to have to define your kind of rabbit trail ? You started it rather than answering questions.

Is grace a work of our Faithful Let there be Creator?

What is a law of faith?

More rabbit trail. Look it up, google it

 

[Garee]

More rabbit trail. Look it up, google it

Not a salvation issue brother. Bible it up LOL

Looks like you are going to have to define your kind of John Gill rabbit trail?

It would seem you deny the signified faithful understanding of parables which without Christ spoke not . The opening interpretation instruction is found in Revelation. Revelation the last chapter in the book of prophecy

Informing believers, He not only sent it also does give us the hidden understanding called hidden manna in chapter 2:17 .

Manna meaning what is it?. It was the daily bread in the wilderness. The same spiritual bread he gives today that we might be empowered to both hear and do His will.

Revelation 11 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John

Two words "thousand years" The brotherhood of believers the divider between many camps.

In that way we must be careful how we hear what we hear and from whom it comes from when looking at the parable below. Two words thousand years and how are they used. Where they used like the first three time 2 in Old to represent an unknown, thousand as if one day not a thousand years is one day, As a day denotes parable is in sight, parables as shadow of the unseen eternal enrich like honey.

They do not all of a sudden became literal as some sort of sign to seek and wonder after Jesu says its unconverted makind that does walk by sight. Believers have sola scriptura to the end as prophecy no need to wonder, wonder, wonder, marvel after as if it was true prophecy

When did Satan fall and could no longer deceive all the nations that God is a Jewish man dying mankind.?

The veil was rent there was no Jewish King of kings siting in the abomination of desolation temples made with the dying hands of mankind >

Revelation 20:3;And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

[Brightfame52]

A Declarative Justification !3

And thirdly, We know that His Death alone Justified them apart from their God given Faith because of the declaration of the resurrection, for since He died not for His own sins and offenses, but as the Representative of those He died for, He rose as that same Representative, and as He was declared acquitted or Justified for His Faithfulness unto death, His death not being for Himself, but for those he died in the stead of, then it was they which were discharged, acquitted and Justified, as declared by His Resurrection. Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for [because of] our offenses, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

YLT 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous.


This Justification of those Christ died for, had nothing to do with them believing, repenting, or doing anything; In fact its True of them even while they are being enemies in unbelief ! To deny this, is to deny the Gospel of Grace, Salvation by Grace ! 6