Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[Brightfame52]

Rom 3:24

All for whom Christ died are Justified before God through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus ! Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

This free Justification had by His Grace nothing to do with anything the Justified ones did ! 5

 

[KingJ]

Rom 3:24

All for whom Christ died are Justified before God through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus ! Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

This free Justification had by His Grace nothing to do with anything the Justified ones did ! 5

Where is 'all for whom Christ died' mentioned in Rom 3:24?

Calvinists are en route to hell for terribly misrepresenting God as partial to the lost and intentional false teaching.

Prove me wrong. Explain how partiality is a good thing.

 

[Brightfame52]

One must be in a Justified stated before the Gospel is sent to them, and a saved state before they can believe it ! Otherwise they are in a condemned state and cannot believe Jn 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because[or proof being] he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Everyone therefore that does believe, is Justified from all things Acts 13:39

39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

In other words, everyone believing is already Justified or not condemned, for that is what believing gives evidence of !

Justification is first of all a remission of sins or the forgiveness of sins, a discharge of guilt procured solely by the death or blood of Christ for all whom He died Matt 26:28.

Now also with this discharge is the entitlement to life and eternal Glory, both of these aspects of Justification are effected solely by the Death of Christ, the Testator of the Covenant Matt 26:28 and Heb 9:15-17

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. 5

 

[Brightfame52]

@KingJ

Where is 'all for whom Christ died' mentioned in Rom 3:24?

Didnt He die for all He died for ?

 

[KingJ]

@KingJ



Didnt He die for all He died for ?

God is good Psalm 136:1 and righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17. Partiality is evil. Therefore Calvinism is false.

Unless you can explain how partiality is a good thing, there is nothing to discuss.

 

[Brightfame52]

God is good Psalm 136:1 and righteous in all His ways Psalm 145:17. Partiality is evil. Therefore Calvinism is false.

Unless you can explain how partiality is a good thing, there is nothing to discuss.

Didnt He die for all He died for ?

 

[Brightfame52]

Justified by His Grace !

Many of the enemies of the Gospel of God's Grace Acts 20:24

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

They reject that True believers were Justified by Grace apart from their obedience of faith, citing erroneously as a proof text Rom 5:1; However what they willfully fail to realize and understand is that by citing one verse on what Paul wrote on Justification does not negate or make void what He wrote about it in another place, which was those Justified were Justified by Grace Titus 3:7

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

These causes of Justification had nothing to do with anyone's Faith except Jesus Christ's !

 

[Brightfame52]

Justified by His Grace ! pt 2

This Justification by Grace is solely on the exclusive right of God, that is it is done with respect to the Justified ones freely, without cause in and from them, undeservedly, and graciously, nothing in us or done by us good or bad. This brings us to the next consideration of being Justified by Grace, which is that Grace given us in Christ Jesus before the World Began 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Now how does one become to be in Christ Jesus before the World Began in the First Place ? Well it was not because of something or anything they did or did not do, but God's gracious choice of them Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

God chose for Himself those whom were chosen in the Beloved, which is also called the Election of Grace Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Hence : "according to the election of Grace" here in Rom 11:5 is the same as "according as He hath chosen us in Him" in Eph 1:4

And to all chosen, Grace was given and by this Grace they were Justified Titus 3:7

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

This is also Justification before the World began by Grace since it was given us at that time 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

This scripture alone validates as an Gospel of God's Grace truth Acts 20:24 Justification by Grace before the World began ! 5

 

[Leumas]

Who Justifieth the Ungodly

Rom 4:5

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Rom 5:6

For when we [The elect] were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

These verses tells us something about the elect ! First that by nature we are ungodly, children of wrath as others..Eph 2:3

3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Amen being children of wrath by nature as others is just another way of saying, that we were ungodly..

But one of the Great Gospel doctrines is described in Rom 4:5 is that God justifieth the ungodly..

Now , get this, The elect are Justified before God. by the obedience and righteousness of Jesus Christ [Rom 5: 18-19] while we are dead in trespasses and sins,

while we are by nature children of wrath even as others, and while by lifestyle, ungodly. While we the elect are in this very sinful condition, that we are Justified by Jesus christ blood and clothed in His imputed righteousness, even though we dont know it at the Time, but God knows it , because He is the one who did it..

Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

You see, most false teachers today think that Rom 8 :33 applies to post conversion, but it also applies to pre conversion, for God Justifieth the ungodly, before they are converted..

Thats why its of grace. Titus 3:7

That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Its by grace because of the sinful condition we are in by nature when we are Justified before God..

Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and thy words thou shalt be condemned.
You your own self will either justify or condemn your own self.

Don't pay anyone no heed,
unless it lines up with the WORD.

 

[Brightfame52]

Justified by His Grace ! pt 3

In Light of these things, Justification by Grace given us in Christ Jesus before the World began 2 Tim 1:9, One may therefore ask the question, why the need to be Justified by Grace before the World began, when no sin had been yet committed, nor had entered into the World to be Justified from ?

The answer is quite simple, this World from the jump was Created for an Redemptive Purpose in the Eternal Purpose of Christ Eph 3:9-11

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Col 1:14-18

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Vs 14 tells why !

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

And so the Elect Chosen in Christ before the foundation, and given Grace in Him at that same date, were Pre Justified from the sin and condemnation they would incur from #1 Adam their Natural Head from Natural Creation, and #2 from the sins against God's law they personally would multiply in their own selves, being born sinners. Paul alludes to this spiritual Truth here Rom 5:15-16

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

This free gift of Grace here in Vs 15 is the same free gift of Grace given them in Christ Jesus before the World began, and so this Grace cancels out their first trespass in Adam and their many trespasses that they shall accumulate in their own physical lives in the flesh !

 

[Leumas]

Faith being not a condition !

Faith being not a condition, but a means of revealing or making known that Justification, that already exists in God's Mind, that is already credited to ones account, because of Christ's redemptive blood.

Justification by Faith is how God has ordained that the Justified ones find out about and realize their Justification freely given to them by God through Jesus Christ ! This is why it is written, the Just or Justified shall live by Faith, hence everyone Christ died for and shed His Blood for, are Justified before God because of it [Rom 5:9] they must be given Faith, a Fruit of the Spirit of God, to embrace and receive consciously that Peace with God, which Christ's redemptive blood accomplished for them as God's Elect, and so is so called " The Faith of God's Elect"

Those who take Justification by Faith [ Rom 5:1] and declare it to be a condition of man, that he must meet, in order to God to Justify them, they PERVERT the Truth of Justification by Grace and Faith, and do preach a false and accursed Gospel. That Justification is received by Faith, as it is revealed to the Justified one, we most heartily agree, but to state that it is a condition in order to get Justified before God, we reject as criminal and Apostate !

Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and thy words thou shalt be condemned.
You your own self will either justify or condemn your own self.

Don't pay anyone no heed,
unless it lines up with the WORD.

 

[Brightfame52]

Justified by His Grace ! pt 4

Some may still argue, then why the Death of Christ ? Answer, because the Grace given them before the world began, was founded upon a Covenant agreement between the Father and the Son, that their sin, He [The Son] would come into the World and shed His Blood for their sin, and so its for His Blood of the Everlasting Covenant, and so that from that date, they were Justified by His Grace through the Redemption [in due time] that is in Christ Jesus, through faith in His Blood, not merely the Justified one's faith, but more importantly, God's Faith in His Son's Blood. What meaneth this statement ? Why would God have Faith in His Son's Blood ? Because it meant that the Father was well pleased and satisfied with the Covenant agreement, whereby in the fulness of time, His Son would become incarnate and shed His Blood for the sins of the Sheep, God had Faith in His own prearranged plan and Covenant agreement, not to overlook that He had Faith in His own Son's Faithfulness to fulfill His Covenant Engagement to shed His Blood, so God was able to deal mercifully even with the elect that sinned before the Cross , looking forward to His Justice against them also to be satisfied by His Son's Blood. This means that all the believers from OT and NT times were given Justification by Grace before the world began, based upon the redemption that is in Christ Jesus ! 6

 

[Garee]

This Justification by Grace is solely on the exclusive right of God, that is it is done with respect to the Justified ones freely, without cause in and from them, undeservedly, and graciously, nothing in us or done by us good or bad. This brings us to the next consideration of being Justified by Grace, which is that Grace given us in Christ Jesus before the World Began 2 Tim 1:9

It would seem you are suggesting faithless, powerless grace? Which is a grace that cannot work having no power .

In that way as a creative law of faith the "let there be" and "it was good grace" would have power to testify to the unseen eternal work

The by faith we are saved . . . is not without Christs' unseen labor of gracious love. Faith is a two-part work.1# "Let there be" and 2#"it was God alone good"

We are lovingly commanded to not have the faith ( power to understand) that comes from Christ labor of love as if it was of our own self (false pride)

James 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith (power) of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. (flesh and blood)

Faith is a "let there be labor of Christ Love"

Christ is shown giving newborn again faith to Thomas. First proving a spirit does not have flesh and blood then Thomas the witness or confession of the new born again faith that works in those yoked with Christ Thomas confessing. . My Lord and my God.

John 20:27-28Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, (not seen) My Lord and my God.

 

[Leumas]

Justified by His Grace ! pt 4

Some may still argue, then why the Death of Christ ? Answer, because the Grace given them before the world began, was founded upon a Covenant agreement between the Father and the Son, that their sin, He [The Son] would come into the World and shed His Blood for their sin, and so its for His Blood of the Everlasting Covenant, and so that from that date, they were Justified by His Grace through the Redemption [in due time] that is in Christ Jesus, through faith in His Blood, not merely the Justified one's faith, but more importantly, God's Faith in His Son's Blood. What meaneth this statement ? Why would God have Faith in His Son's Blood ? Because it meant that the Father was well pleased and satisfied with the Covenant agreement, whereby in the fulness of time, His Son would become incarnate and shed His Blood for the sins of the Sheep, God had Faith in His own prearranged plan and Covenant agreement, not to overlook that He had Faith in His own Son's Faithfulness to fulfill His Covenant Engagement to shed His Blood, so God was able to deal mercifully even with the elect that sinned before the Cross , looking forward to His Justice against them also to be satisfied by His Son's Blood. This means that all the believers from OT and NT times were given Justification by Grace before the world began, based upon the redemption that is in Christ Jesus ! 6

Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and thy words thou shalt be condemned.
~ THF WORD

You your own self will either justify or condemn your own self.

Don't pay anyone no heed,
unless it lines up with the WORD.

 

[Brightfame52]

It would seem you are suggesting faithless, powerless grace? Which is a grace that cannot work having no power .

In that way as a creative law of faith the "let there be" and "it was good grace" would have power to testify to the unseen eternal work

The by faith we are saved . . . is not without Christs' unseen labor of gracious love. Faith is a two-part work.1# "Let there be" and 2#"it was God alone good"

We are lovingly commanded to not have the faith ( power to understand) that comes from Christ labor of love as if it was of our own self (false pride)

James 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith (power) of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. (flesh and blood)

Faith is a "let there be labor of Christ Love"

Christ is shown giving newborn again faith to Thomas. First proving a spirit does not have flesh and blood then Thomas the witness or confession of the new born again faith that works in those yoked with Christ Thomas confessing. . My Lord and my God.

John 20:27-28Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, (not seen) My Lord and my God.

I dont understand a thing you said here.

 

[Leumas]

I dont understand a thing you said here.

Did this ever change, or is this still the truth for everyone today on Earth? Yes or no?

Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and thy words thou shalt be condemned.

 

[Garee]

I dont understand a thing you said here.

Thanks sorry.

Does grace provide power ?

If so where does it come from?

Is grace a work of God the Faithful Let there be Creator?

Or like some say God does not need faith he needs no plan.. . . And it was good whatever will be will be. The author of confusion

Romans 3:3;For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

 

[Brightfame52]

Raised again because of our Justification !

Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for [because of] our offences, and was raised again for [because of] our justification.

And since Christ's Resurrection was for or because of our Justification [believers] as a result of Him dying because of our sins , it also means that His Resurrection declares all for whom He died for their offenses Righteous; So it is Two things that the Resurrection of Christ declares

#1 That all for whom Christ died have been acquitted before God's Law and Justice of all their offenses, and # 2 that they stand before God's Law declared Righteous. This we know from the meaning of the word Justification in the verse, its the greek word dikaiōsis and means:


the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him

2) abjuring to be righteous, justification


Yes, this is what the Resurrection of Christ declares for all whom offences He was delivered !

And this is True of them all before they become Believers, but is why they must become believers, nevertheless it is True while they themselves, prior to New Birth and Conversion, are enemies and in Unbelief, its by the Grace of God !

 

[Brightfame52]

Did this ever change, or is this still the truth for everyone today on Earth? Yes or no?

Matthew 12:37
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Post 112 do you understand it, dont evade

 

[Brightfame52]

Thanks sorry.

Does grace provide power ?

If so where does it come from?

Is grace a work of God the Faithful Let there be Creator?

Or like some say God does not need faith he needs no plan.. . . And it was good whatever will be will be. The author of confusion

Romans 3:3;For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

This is a rabbit trail away from my post points