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WHO IS THE RESTRAINER ?

And frankly the Thessalonian verses, have nothing to do with having authority over powers of darkness.

This is what it says:

2Th 2:7-8
(7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
(8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

The "he" hinders, it does not say he casts out, or sets free, or even binds, but rather "he" hinders, but what does he hinder?

He is an hindrance towards the Antichrist being able to be revealed.

But once "he" is out of the way, that hinderance is gone, and now the Antichrist can be revealed in who he is.

There is a big addiction to want to be right for the sake of being right, instead of being true to what it says, and I am sure many are being sincere, but let us check ourselves and be honest with what it actually says, without adding to it.
 
2 witnesses

If you are wanting verses that speak of someone being used in the miraculous, although in a judgment kind of way, during the tribulation period, we have the 2 witnesses.

Rev 11:4-6
(4) These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
(5) And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
(6) These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
 
Will the Antichrist overcome many of the tribulation saints and kill them
You do know having authority and power over all of the forces of darkness does not include man. Man can and could kill a believer. The New Testament Church was not given authority over another man only the spiritual forces of darkness.
 
To bind vs to Let

In the bible, it mentions that we have the power to bind and loose, and some might use the word to bind as some form of association, with what it says in Thessalonians about the "he" who now letteth, will let.

Associating the word let with the word bind.

Here are the definitions side by side to each other:

(Strong's concordance, word bind)

(G1210
δέω
deō
deh'-o
A primary verb; to bind (in various applications, literally or figuratively): - bind, be in bonds, knit, tie, wind. See also G1163, G1189.
Total KJV occurrences: 44)
(Strong's concordance, word let)

(G2722
κατέχω
katechō
kat-ekh'-o
From G2596 and G2192; to hold down (fast), in various applications (literally or figuratively): - have, hold (fast), keep (in memory), let, X make toward, possess, retain, seize on, stay, take, withhold.
Total KJV occurrences: 19)

They are similar, but also slightly different, one is basically to tie in a knot, which does hinder, but the other is strictly to withhold, keep back and so on.

But the main thing to know is what does it actually say, and the hinderance is about a revealing.
 
You do know having authority and power over all of the forces of darkness does not include man. Man can and could kill a believer. The New Testament Church was not given authority over another man only the spiritual forces of darkness.
Yes of course, and it is possible I may have misread some of your comments, but I did mention this, in casting out demons, and setting people free from the bondages of the enemy.

So yes I am aware, but that is not the context of Thessalonians.
 
To bind vs to Let

In the bible, it mentions that we have the power to bind and loose, and some might use the word to bind as some form of association, with what it says in Thessalonians about the "he" who now letteth, will let.

Associating the word let with the word bind.

Here are the definitions side by side to each other:

(Strong's concordance, word bind)

(G1210
δέω
deō
deh'-o
A primary verb; to bind (in various applications, literally or figuratively): - bind, be in bonds, knit, tie, wind. See also G1163, G1189.
Total KJV occurrences: 44)
(Strong's concordance, word let)

(G2722
κατέχω
katechō
kat-ekh'-o
From G2596 and G2192; to hold down (fast), in various applications (literally or figuratively): - have, hold (fast), keep (in memory), let, X make toward, possess, retain, seize on, stay, take, withhold.
Total KJV occurrences: 19)

They are similar, but also slightly different, one is basically to tie in a knot, which does hinder, but the other is strictly to withhold, keep back and so on.

But the main thing to know is what does it actually say, and the hinderance is about a revealing.
Yep, the restrainer (let) is the one who binds.
 
Right now satan can not kill anyone directly but only through another man. During the great tribulation satan can man directly.
 
You do know having authority and power over all of the forces of darkness does not include man. Man can and could kill a believer. The New Testament Church was not given authority over another man only the spiritual forces of darkness.
I had to reread some of your posts, and here are things you said: "Curtis said: " the Antichrist is granted power to conquer the saints and make war against them. This means the saints of this period endure intense persecution and martyrdom rather than exercising authority over the forces of darkness." ", also in a recent post, you said this: "Curtis said "...You do know having authority and power over all of the forces of darkness does not include man....".

So just by the fact of it saying that the Antichrist is granted power to conquer the saints, does that mean that the tribulation church will lose their power over the forces of darkness ? Was not the 12 except 1, given over to martyrdom, yet did they lose there power over the forces of darkness?

And lastly you mention how the church has power over the forces of darkness, and not over man, yet you use this argument, via the church being the hinderance towards the revealing of the Antichrist, is not the Antichrist a man ?
 
Holdback / let

2Th 2:7-8
(7) For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
(8) And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

When the "he" gets taken away, then that gives leeway for the Antichrist to be revealed.

And it specifically says taken out of the way, in what way ? taken out of the way from were ?

Taken out of the way, so he no longer is withholding ?

Taken out of the way, in fulfillment of something ?

This verse is worth meditating on.

There is no specific place mentioned that shows were he is taken out from, but obviously there is a purpose to his being taken out of the way, which opens the door for the Antichrist to be revealed.
 
Antichrist rising
How will the Antichrist come on the scene ?

Dan 9:27
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

He confirms at type of covenant for 1 week which is equal to 7 years in this case.

Rev 6:2
(2) And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

At first, he comes as a man of peace, represented by the white horse, with a bow, that shows no arrows, and it is by means of peace that he first conquers.

1Th 5:2-3
(2) For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
(3) For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

This cry of peace and safety, will eventually lead to the Antichrist's so called peace treaty.

But at the mid point of the tribulation period, the Antichrist shows his true colors.

Rev 13:4-7
(4) And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
(5) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
(6) And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
(7) And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

When his true colors are shown, it is in that time, when he gets revealed.
 
The prophecy about the RESTRAINING to be take out of the way, it didn't fulfill yet, of course, but will LITERALLY fulfill henceforward or in days to come, I would say in this current decade, and it only after the end of the FIRST HALF of the last week, week 70th Daniel 9:v.27, actually it will occur when the Abomination of Desolation be established in the 2nd half of the last week, in Israel, for 1290 days.

I would say the current Dispensation of Grace gets to the END with this terrible and SATANIC event, I say it will be through the manifestation of the Jewish false messiah (Revelation 13:11 combined with 2Thess.2:v.9
and Luke 21:24 and Revelation 13:2 combined with Revelation 11:2, a profound vision revealed by Scriptures,take a look), and the establishment of the abomination of desolation in the holy place or sanctuary.

Who is he who now does not let the MAN of sin, SON of perdition, a former Cherub, be manifested among his own people->Israel, and also before the Gentilic nations as whole, i.e. unto all Gentilic nations?
WELL, it is the daily SACRIFICE OF JESUS that has already lasted around 728.000 24 hours day until this current day that does not let the MAN of sin, SON of perdition, a former Cherub, manifest himself among his own people→ Israel. The complete Jewish Bible-CJB says the MAN of sin is at work secretly, in other words-KJV-,"the mystery of iniquity doth already work", " but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining him is out of the way"- CJB.

Well, there are three that bear witness in Earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in One-1 John 5:v.8. The blood is the blood of JESUS that was shed on the cross; the blood of JESUS is the millennial sacrifice of JESUS on the cross that REMAINS until the current time for salvation of souls, AND WILL REMAIN until it BE TAKEN AWAY, WHAT WILL HAPPEN ONLY AND ONLY IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE LAST WEEK, WEEK 70th DANIEL 9:V.27, WHOSE EVENT IS NOT SO FAR FROM THESE DAYS, IT MAY OCCUR IN THIS DECADE. GET READY.
The sacrifice of JESUS until the current time lasted around 728.000 days-THE DAILY SACRIFICE WILL BE TAKE AWAY BY THE JEWISH FALSE MESSIAH - THE BEAST LIKE A LAMB (Revelation 13:v.11-18 combined with John 5:v.43-47)- THEN THE PLACE OF THE SANCTUARY WILL BE CAST DOWN, as was prophesied by Daniel. Daniel 7:7-8 & 11.

Daniel 7:v.7- ...and behold a fourth Beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the Beasts that were before it; and it had (10) ten horns.

v.8 - I considered the (10)horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn,...and, behold, in this (little) horn were eyes like the eyes of MAN, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel 8:v.11 says: - 11 Yea, he (the little horn, by his mouth) magnified himself (magnified as God) even to the prince of the host (it is Michael-Revelation 12:v.7), and by him (by the Jewish false messiah-the little horn) the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

The false lamb, the false messiah(John 5:v.43-47), he is also a Jew, and he is from one of the 10 tribes of Israel, it may be from the tribe of Dan as prophesied Jacob- Genesis 49:16-17. The false messiah (John 5:43) will rise up from the earth-from Israel-exactly from one of the (10) ten tribes of Israel - HE IS THE LITTLE HORN.

The false lamb, the false messiah-John 5:43- has two horns like a lamb. Two horns represent the two kingdoms of Israel, but he will rise up from one of the 10 tribes of Israel, as prophesied Jacob. Gen.49:16-17.

Actually, the SACRIFICE of JESUS SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY when the Beast like a lamb, the MAN of sin and son of perdition(the little horn) sits in the temple of God-JERUSALEM-,shewing himself that he is God-2 Thes.2:v.4-, then the abomination of desolation will stand in the holy place, THE DAILY SACRIFICE OF JESUS WILL BE TAKE AWAY BY THE JEWISH FALSE MESSIAH in the second half of the last week by 1260 plus 30 days, I would say the current Dispensation of Grace gets to the END with this terrible and SATANIC event through the Jewish false messiah (2Thess.2:v.9), and the establishment of the abomination of desolation in the holy place or sanctuary.

Revelation 11:v.1-2 reveals how will be the FIRST half of the last week (1260 days), ended the FIRST half, the false messiah, an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, will be enthroned in JERUSALEM-spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, for 1290 days, and the sanctuary will be cast down.

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Dan.12:v.12 - Yeah, day 1335, the Ineffable, Wonderful, Indescribable, Unspeakable day, day 1335. Hallelujaaah!!!

TOPIC: ->The Rapture theory is true? - post #415 and so on.

Be prepared or else get ready
 
The prophecy about the RESTRAINING to be take out of the way, it didn't fulfill yet, of course, but will LITERALLY fulfill henceforward or in days to come, I would say in this current decade, and it only after the end of the FIRST HALF of the last week, week 70th Daniel 9:v.27, actually it will occur when the Abomination of Desolation be established in the 2nd half of the last week, in Israel, for 1290 days.

I would say the current Dispensation of Grace gets to the END with this terrible and SATANIC event, I say it will be through the manifestation of the Jewish false messiah (Revelation 13:11 combined with 2Thess.2:v.9
and Luke 21:24 and Revelation 13:2 combined with Revelation 11:2, a profound vision revealed by Scriptures,take a look), and the establishment of the abomination of desolation in the holy place or sanctuary.

Who is he who now does not let the MAN of sin, SON of perdition, a former Cherub, be manifested among his own people->Israel, and also before the Gentilic nations as whole, i.e. unto all Gentilic nations?
WELL, it is the daily SACRIFICE OF JESUS that has already lasted around 728.000 24 hours day until this current day that does not let the MAN of sin, SON of perdition, a former Cherub, manifest himself among his own people→ Israel. The complete Jewish Bible-CJB says the MAN of sin is at work secretly, in other words-KJV-,"the mystery of iniquity doth already work", " but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining him is out of the way"- CJB.

Well, there are three that bear witness in Earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in One-1 John 5:v.8. The blood is the blood of JESUS that was shed on the cross; the blood of JESUS is the millennial sacrifice of JESUS on the cross that REMAINS until the current time for salvation of souls, AND WILL REMAIN until it BE TAKEN AWAY, WHAT WILL HAPPEN ONLY AND ONLY IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE LAST WEEK, WEEK 70th DANIEL 9:V.27, WHOSE EVENT IS NOT SO FAR FROM THESE DAYS, IT MAY OCCUR IN THIS DECADE. GET READY.
The sacrifice of JESUS until the current time lasted around 728.000 days-THE DAILY SACRIFICE WILL BE TAKE AWAY BY THE JEWISH FALSE MESSIAH - THE BEAST LIKE A LAMB (Revelation 13:v.11-18 combined with John 5:v.43-47)- THEN THE PLACE OF THE SANCTUARY WILL BE CAST DOWN, as was prophesied by Daniel. Daniel 7:7-8 & 11.

Daniel 7:v.7- ...and behold a fourth Beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the Beasts that were before it; and it had (10) ten horns.

v.8 - I considered the (10)horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn,...and, behold, in this (little) horn were eyes like the eyes of MAN, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel 8:v.11 says: - 11 Yea, he (the little horn, by his mouth) magnified himself (magnified as God) even to the prince of the host (it is Michael-Revelation 12:v.7), and by him (by the Jewish false messiah-the little horn) the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.

The false lamb, the false messiah(John 5:v.43-47), he is also a Jew, and he is from one of the 10 tribes of Israel, it may be from the tribe of Dan as prophesied Jacob- Genesis 49:16-17. The false messiah (John 5:43) will rise up from the earth-from Israel-exactly from one of the (10) ten tribes of Israel - HE IS THE LITTLE HORN.

The false lamb, the false messiah-John 5:43- has two horns like a lamb. Two horns represent the two kingdoms of Israel, but he will rise up from one of the 10 tribes of Israel, as prophesied Jacob. Gen.49:16-17.

Actually, the SACRIFICE of JESUS SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY when the Beast like a lamb, the MAN of sin and son of perdition(the little horn) sits in the temple of God-JERUSALEM-,shewing himself that he is God-2 Thes.2:v.4-, then the abomination of desolation will stand in the holy place, THE DAILY SACRIFICE OF JESUS WILL BE TAKE AWAY BY THE JEWISH FALSE MESSIAH in the second half of the last week by 1260 plus 30 days, I would say the current Dispensation of Grace gets to the END with this terrible and SATANIC event through the Jewish false messiah (2Thess.2:v.9), and the establishment of the abomination of desolation in the holy place or sanctuary.

Revelation 11:v.1-2 reveals how will be the FIRST half of the last week (1260 days), ended the FIRST half, the false messiah, an esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, will be enthroned in JERUSALEM-spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, for 1290 days, and the sanctuary will be cast down.

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Dan.12:v.12 - Yeah, day 1335, the Ineffable, Wonderful, Indescribable, Unspeakable day, day 1335. Hallelujaaah!!!

TOPIC: ->The Rapture theory is true? - post #415 and so on.

Be prepared or else get ready
You say a lot of things in this post, some stuff I agree, some stuff I would disagree on, but you surely have the timing of the Antichrist's revealing right.

I know you call the daily sacrifices that the Jews will restart, the sacrifice of Jesus, now yes the old testament sacrifices did point to the eventual one who would be sacrificed, which was Jesus, but it pointed to Jesus in shadow, the sacrifices themselves were not Jesus.

Yes the Antichrist will end the sacrifices, and you are right that this happens at the middle point of the tribulation, but the sacrifices themselves, are animals, or lambs.

The "he" who now letteth is an "he".

One interesting scripture that you mentioned was this one:

Dan 8:9-11
(9) And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
(10) And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
(11) Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

The little horn points to the Antichrist, which is known as the man of sin, the son of perdition, and his number is the number of a man, which is 666.
But this man of sin, will one day be possessed by the dragon Satan at the mid point of tribulation, you can almost say they shall become as one.

Rev 12:9
(9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So there is an aspect of things which points to Satan in some cases in Daniel, such as the place of his sanctuary being cast down.

Just thought I would mention that.
 
Really?

Rev 7:13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
Rev 7:14 I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 "For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them.

Rev 13:7 It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.

BAC I feel you are just not reading my posts.

Every single person on this planet needs to be washed in the blood of the Lamb in order to enter heaven.

In the tribulation this does not take place until they die.

Right now
, it takes place when we are gifted salvation and can tick Rom 10:9.

Do you believe Rom 10:9 especially the part that says ''you will be saved'' applies to those who already have the mark of the beast? Yes or no answer please
 
There is this feeling among many Christians that they need to endure the tribulation in order to be worthy of God's approval. Pass a test of sort.

This is actually noble and a sign of a good heart. But once again, this is the same crowd that simply does just NOT grasp what in fact a Christian is or how such a thing will incriminate God.
 
Some get martyred today, others do not, some will get martyred in the tribulation period, others will not.

When I say these things, I speak of believers.

The key point you are missing is that martyrdom will be a requirement for many in the tribulation.

Rev 2:10 SAYS, Do X and Y and then you will receive a crown.

Rom 10:9 will not matter. Now for those who live now, not in the tribulation, torment and martyrdom are signs of being truly saved, not requirements. Massive difference!!
 
I agree that the Antichrist will operate with the power of Satan, but the Antichrist is still a man, that is a man of sin, and Satan is Satan.

And we as Christians get empowered to live a godly life through the Holy Ghost, but the Holy Ghost is the Holy Ghost , and Christians are Christians.

Again, the point is that a man can do nothing by himself and it is only with the power of demons that he will rise from the dead and perform whatever other miracles he needs to.

Only the Spirit of God can restrain demons Matt 12:28.
 
Again, the point is that a man can do nothing by himself and it is only with the power of demons that he will rise from the dead and perform whatever other miracles he needs to.

Only the Spirit of God can restrain demons Matt 12:28.
We have to take things in context, the "he" that restrains , is restraining the Antichrist from being revealed, he is not restraining evil from increasing.

For were does it say in Thessalonians that the he is restraining demons ?
 
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