Who is JESUS?

[Robert Lindstrom]

Yet in Matt 27:46; and Mark 15:34; we see that Father did forsake the Son.
The Father turned His eyes away from Jesus while He took on our sins.

The Son of God is made of two components.

1 The Spirit of God without measure
2 In a body of flesh and blood like you and I.

That is the Son of God.
Rev_22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

JESUS says He is the Root Father of David and the offspring Son of David.

That is the Father manifest in a body of flesh called the Son of God.

When was JESUS declared to be the Son of God?

Was it in His mother's womb? No

Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

By the resurrection of the dead.

The only time a prayer was not answered was when He was on the cross becoming sin who knew no sin that God just didnt answer His prayer.

Psa 22:11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
Psa 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
Psa 22:19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.

God had not forsaken Him, that one time,God did not answer his prayer. All that happened there was His prayer was not answered.

 

[Robert Lindstrom]

Are we talking about the "man" Jesus who had a human nature or Jesus's divine nature that was in him? Did not the Father dwell inside Jesus?

God became flesh, not Soma which means just the outer flesh but Sarx which means spirit, soul, and body. He had a human Spirit, a rashional soul and a human body with the Spirit of God without measure.

The only difference is He was without sin and had the Spirit without measure. He was not conceived in sin and shapen in iniquity. he did not have the adamic sin nature in him but He was in sinful flesh with the same temptation as we get.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

We are shapen in iniquity and conceived in sin but not JESUS. If He was then He could not save us.
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Joseph's seed could not enter Mary because of the Adamic nature Joseph carried. So the Holy Ghost had to overshadow Mary. And it was done according to her faith. As soon as she believed, it was done and she was pregnant right there.

The only way we can get rid of this Adamic nature on our part is water baptism in JESUS name for the circumcision of the heart to be done away with as we go down in that watery grave and God does an operation by our faith and cuts away the foreskin of our heart with the circumcision of Christ.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

JESUS had to fast and pray, read the Word showing us the way and being an example to us. He was weary in his journeys. He was not God when he was walking on water and then switched back to being man when he was weary on his journey. Peter walked on water and is not God. All God did was put a self limitation on himself and worked as a man. He became flesh and did not use any of his powers to fulfill the law.

Now we can have His Spirit in us and do the same things He did in the days of His flesh. Thats why it says in the Word" JESUS Christ IS come in the flesh. Not has come in the flesh. Christ in us the hope of glory.

Every time someone gets the Holy Ghost it is Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh.

 

[Curtis]

God became flesh, not Soma which means just the outer flesh but Sarx which means spirit, soul, and body. He had a human Spirit, a rashional soul and a human body with the Spirit of God without measure.

The only difference is He was without sin and had the Spirit without measure. He was not conceived in sin and shapen in iniquity. he did not have the adamic sin nature in him but He was in sinful flesh with the same temptation as we get.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

We are shapen in iniquity and conceived in sin but not JESUS. If He was then He could not save us.
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Joseph's seed could not enter Mary because of the Adamic nature Joseph carried. So the Holy Ghost had to overshadow Mary. And it was done according to her faith. As soon as she believed, it was done and she was pregnant right there.

The only way we can get rid of this Adamic nature on our part is water baptism in JESUS name for the circumcision of the heart to be done away with as we go down in that watery grave and God does an operation by our faith and cuts away the foreskin of our heart with the circumcision of Christ.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

JESUS had to fast and pray, read the Word showing us the way and being an example to us. He was weary in his journeys. He was not God when he was walking on water and then switched back to being man when he was weary on his journey. Peter walked on water and is not God. All God did was put a self limitation on himself and worked as a man. He became flesh and did not use any of his powers to fulfill the law.

Now we can have His Spirit in us and do the same things He did in the days of His flesh. Thats why it says in the Word" JESUS Christ IS come in the flesh. Not has come in the flesh. Christ in us the hope of glory.

Every time someone gets the Holy Ghost it is Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh.

Bother do you believe that Jesus had a human, and divine nature?

 

[B-A-C]

Every time someone gets the Holy Ghost it is Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh.

Yet Jesus said a Ghost does not have flesh and bones. ( Luke 24:39; )
Also we see the "Spirit of God" descending like a dove upon Jesus after getting baptized. Matt 3:16;
and in verse 17... a voice came out of the heavens... Jesus in the flesh, The spirit descending upon Jesus as a dove..
(a separate entity) and a voice from heaven (yet another separate entity).

Jesus is not the Holy Spirit.

 

[amadeus2]

Sir, what is the name of the Father?

Joh_17:6 I have manifested THY NAME unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

What name did JESUS inherit from His Father? It looks to me it is the name JESUS.

What is the Name of God? What does it mean to be "IN" the name? On both cases, please, use only the Old Testament. The "Name" is much more than any English (or other human language) word that we can say and spell and write. Probably in any natural barroom we were to visit we could hear someone speaking the word, "Jesus" but it is unlikely that anyone using it there would also be "IN" the Name. If we know the Name of God or are ever IN the Name, it certainly is not because we know the English word, Jesus or the Spanish word pronounced "Hay-sus".

You are focusing too much it seems to me on a spoken word. Even a deaf-mute can be "IN" the Name even though he has never heard with his physical ears or spoken with his physical tongue and mouth the physical word, "Jesus"

 

[Robert Lindstrom]

Bother do you believe that Jesus had a human, and divine nature?[/QUO

Just curious... what Bible version you have that says "all power'. My Bibles say "all authority". The Father still has power.
Also keep in mind, that Jesus gives this authority back to the Father. ( 1 Cor 15:24; )

I use the KJV Bible.

Why did JESUS say:
Joh_14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Wait a minute, my Father is greater than I?

Luk_22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

Things concerning me have an end?

Joh_5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Php_2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

In these verses is it saying JESUS is equal with God?

This is total contradictory here. How is the Father greater than him if he is equal with the Father?

Because He was working as a man in the days of His flesh. Working as a man in a body of sinful flesh. Thats why he says:
Mat_19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

JESUS could have sinned in the days of His flesh. He knew there was nothing good about the flesh. He had to destroy that fleshly veil and keep the Law to a t.

Mar 15:37 And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.
Mar 15:38 And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;


Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Who only hath immortality? Dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto? The blessed and ONLY Potentate? I thought The Father was the greatest? He is the Father.

Isa_45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

There is no other God beside Him? What about the third person of the Godhead?

A just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me? We know JESUS is the Saviour.

 

[Robert Lindstrom]

What is the Name of God? What does it mean to be "IN" the name? On both cases, please, use only the Old Testament. The "Name" is much more than any English (or other human language) word that we can say and spell and write. Probably in any natural barroom we were to visit we could hear someone speaking the word, "Jesus" but it is unlikely that anyone using it there would also be "IN" the Name. If we know the Name of God or are ever IN the Name, it certainly is not because we know the English word, Jesus or the Spanish word pronounced "Hay-sus".

You are focusing too much it seems to me on a spoken word. Even a deaf-mute can be "IN" the Name even though he has never heard with his physical ears or spoken with his physical tongue and mouth the physical word, "Jesus"

In the old Testament, the name of God was secreted because He was waiting to put on a permanent abode. He was in a burning bush but He did not stay in that burning bush.

He was in a form of an angel when He visited Abraham but He did not stay in the form.

Take for instance a rental house. Would you put your name on that cement floor of the house if it was only a rental?

You would in your permanent house.

Jdg 13:17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour?
Jdg 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret?

That was not his permanent dwelling.

Gen 32:29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.

Moses got a deeper revelation of the name of God that Abraham didn't.

Exo_6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Those are the names of His attributes. Jehovah Salvation is JESUS JE Jehovah SUS Salvation.

That is the name God put on when He decided to dwell in a permanent abode.

Mat_1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Why didn't it say" The Son of God with us"?

 

[B-A-C]

Mat_1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Why didn't it say" The Son of God with us"?

I don't think anyone here is denying Jesus is God.
The Father is also God, the Holy Spirit is also God. They are one God. (not 3 separate Gods).
But they are three beings, three entities, three personalities.
While all 3 are God. Jesus is not the Father, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, and and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus.

 

[Curtis]

Why did JESUS say:
Joh_14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Wait a minute, my Father is greater than I?

Luk_22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

Things concerning me have an end?

Joh_5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Php_2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

In these verses is it saying JESUS is equal with God?

This is total contradictory here. How is the Father greater than him if he is equal with the Father?

The Father being "greater" does not mean he is "better". What about when Jesus said.....

John 14:12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.

Do these "greater works" mean "better works"? Absolutely not. Greater means "more works" because he was going to his Father and he would return, and live inside many other saints to continue these works working through them, instead of being limited to one person.
His father was "greater" because Jesus limited himself to living inside a physical body.

 

[amadeus2]

Father is not another or different Spirit of God. It is only an office. Father is the administrative office of the Spirit of God.

Son of God is the Redemption office.

Holy Ghost is the Power office.
Act_1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

There is only One Spirit of God and his name one.

That might sound OK but why God does even need offices. If He did need or use offices why would He stop at three? To stop at three would seem to support and inside Trinitarian formula which I am sure is not what you intended. Doesn't it seem that too many people are trying to put God into a box, God who is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent.

Zec_14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

One God and Father of all? Who is above all? And through all? And in you all?

We agree that there is One almighty God.

In the new Testament in Hebrew is translated from KAI which means EVEN.

So if the Holy Ghost is in us all then how can the Father get in?

Whether there are two spirits or only One Spirit, what this thing with space? How much physical space does God, who is a Spirit, require?
Do not even believers, who are not yet overcomers as Jesus was an overcomer, already have at least two spirits in them... a Spirit and a spirit? It ought not to be so forever, but it certainly seems to be now, doesn't it?

"Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be." James 3:10

If you read below, you can see
Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

So the Holy Ghost speaks through me here?

Mat 10:19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

So the Father Speaks through me here?

So, who is arguing the point? Not I.

Luk 21:14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
Luk 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

So JESUS speaks through me here?

Contradictory here huh? Which one is it?

I see no contradiction.

Or is Christ all and in all of those office

Col_3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Col_1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Christ in me the hope of glory? Christ is ALL of those offices and IN all of those offices of the ONE Spirit of God.

What is the name of the Father? What is the name of the Son? What is the name of the Holy Ghost?

Peter having the Revelation of the name in Acts 2:38 Baptizes them in the name of JESUS Christ.

He didnt baptise them Father, Son, Holy Ghost.

Why didnt it say " Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAMES (plaurel) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: ?

Because it is not plaurel...its singular "name"

One of these days my friend you will learn, hopefully, a new song. That message of yours is probably older than you are. I heard it for the time in 1976 and it was certainly old then. To me, at the time, it was a refreshing message compared to so many I have heard Trinitarians. Really it seems that they turned it inside out instead looking to see for certain what "thus saith the Lord" on the matter.

Do you love the Truth no matter what it is or do you love what you already believe the Truth is?

 

[Robert Lindstrom]

I don't think anyone here is denying Jesus is God.
The Father is also God, the Holy Spirit is also God. They are one God. (not 3 separate Gods).
But they are three beings, three entities, three personalities.
While all 3 are God. Jesus is not the Father, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, and and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus.

When you say that, you are telling me there are 3 Gods in heaven. There are not three beings in Heaven. That is a trinitarian belief. There is only 1 Being in heaven who is God alone.

There is only ONE throne in heaven.
Rev_3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

JESUS is SET down in His Father's throne. Not SIT down but SET down. We will sit down with JESUS in His throne but we can NEVER be God and SET down in His Father's throne.

You think that Man JESUS went back to the glory of the Son. No He did not, He went back to the glory of the Father.

Php_2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Joh_17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

JESUS was glorified with the Father's own self.

Act_20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Thats Holy Ghost's own blood when He was in the days of his flesh.

 

[Chad]

Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

The Jews got mad at Him for making Himself God.

They were threatened by Him, Jesus because they knew in fact He was Son of GOD based on all the miracles he performed. You cannot pretend that GOD right before you is not in fact GOD.

Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD. You've posted some strange things here in this thread that are not Scripturall sound. The entire bible is about Jesus Christ ultimately, both OT & NT. God = Father, Son, Holy Spirit. 3 SEPARATE persons of the ONE triune Godhead. That's biblical and plenty of evidence of it.

 

[Curtis]

God the Father is not Jesus Christ, neither is Jesus Christ the Father. They are not the same, yet the Father lives inside the Son, and the Son lives inside the Father.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

Only the Father can reveal the Son, and only the Son can reveal the Father. When we see the Father we see Jesus, when we see Jesus we see the Father, because each one lives in each other.

 

[B-A-C]

(AMP) He who overcomes (is victorious), I will grant him to sit beside Me on My throne, as I Myself overcame (was victorious) and sat down beside My Father on His throne.

(GW) I will allow everyone who wins the victory to sit with me on my throne, as I have won the victory and have sat down with my Father on his throne.

(KJV) To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

(MSG) Conquerors will sit alongside me at the head table, just as I, having conquered, took the place of honor at the side of my Father. That's my gift to the conquerors!

(NAS77) 'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

(NASB) 'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

(NLT) Those who are victorious will sit with Me on My throne, just as I was victorious and sat with My Father on His throne.

In all these translations... it says "His throne" who is "His"? ... the Father.. it's the Father's throne.
Not Jesus'. Also all of these translations say "with" or "beside", none of them say "in place of".

There are two thrones...

Luke 22:69; "But from now on THE SON OF MAN WILL BE SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND of the power OF GOD."
Eph 1:20; which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places,
Col 3:1; Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Where is Jesus seated? At the right hand of the Father. Not in place of the Father.

Matt 26:64; Jesus *said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."

Mark 12:36; "David himself said in the Holy Spirit, 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I PUT YOUR ENEMIES BENEATH YOUR FEET."'

Mark 14:62; And Jesus said, "I am; and you shall see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."
( Luke 20:42; Luke 22:69; Acts 2:33-34; Acts 5:31; Acts 7:55; Acts 7:56; Rom 8:34; Eph 1:20; etc... )

 

[Curtis]

I would have to disagree because there is only "one" God, so only one throne is necessary. If Jesus Christ dwells in the Father, and the Father dwells in the Son, how can God split himself into two beings? Maybe if we could see when the Bible talks about "God's right hand" he is really referring to his right "arm". After all it was his right hand that brought us salvation.

Isa 63:5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.

Jesus is the "arm" of the Lord God. Would God separate his arm from his body, does it not need the rest of the body to function?

Joh 12:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?

Isa 40:10 Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
Isa 40:11 He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.

Now we know God is "right" handed.

 

[B-A-C]

Genesis 1:26 NASBS
Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

"Our" image. "Our" likeness.

 

[Robert Lindstrom]

They were threatened by Him, Jesus because they knew in fact He was Son of GOD based on all the miracles he performed. You cannot pretend that GOD right before you is not in fact GOD.

Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD. You've posted some strange things here in this thread that are not Scripturall sound. The entire bible is about Jesus Christ ultimately, both OT & NT. God = Father, Son, Holy Spirit. 3 SEPARATE persons of the ONE triune Godhead. That's biblical and plenty of evidence of it.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three ARE ONE.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three AGREE IN ONE.

According to the above scripture, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three ARE ONE. They are one and the SAME Spirit of God. It did not say they agree in one but ARE one.

It is pretty Biblical to me and pretty obvious to me that there is NOT three seperate spirits in heaven. Why dont you explain to me why it did not say those three agree in one like it says in 1jn 5:8?
Without altering the scripture with other excuses, you cant.

Isa 9:5 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.

Every battle is definitely with confused noise here.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The only thing that rested on His shoulder was the Cross.

Why didn't it say "the mighty SON of God? The everlasting SON? Its written all over the Word that JESUS is the Father.

Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

The Almighty? JESUS claims to be the Almighty? I thought only the Father was the Almighty? It is ONE and the SAME Spirit of God. You show me where it says there are three spirits in heaven.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

God was manifest in the flesh. NOT the Son of God. God was justified in the Spirit. God was seen of angels. God was preached unto the Gentiles. God was believed on in the world. God was received up into Glory.

It is in Scripture as plain as it is day.

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

ONE SPIRIT Not three spirits in heaven. One Lord

Deu_6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

JESUS says
Mar_12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

That is the first commandment but we today dont believe that do we?

That trinity doctrine came from 325 A.D. council of nicea. Go look it up. That doctrine of the trinity is 1700 years old. No Jew in the World would believe in a trinity God.

I did however find the trinity mentioned one time in the scriptures. Lets take a good look at it.

Rev_16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

The Dragon represents the false Father. the beast represents the false Son of God, and the false prophet represents the false Holy Ghost.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev_12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Those are the only three seperate spirits of devils working miracles. They deceive the WHOLE world.

Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Joh 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
Joh 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Joh 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

JESUS said if you believe not that I am He, the Father, you will die in your sins.

 

[Robert Lindstrom]

I don't think anyone here is denying Jesus is God.
The Father is also God, the Holy Spirit is also God. They are one God. (not 3 separate Gods).
But they are three beings, three entities, three personalities.
While all 3 are God. Jesus is not the Father, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, and and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus.

Explain the trinity to me. People say it cannot be explained but we will know it in the sweet bye and bye. By then it will be too late to know and seek out.

 

[Curtis]

Explain the trinity to me. People say it cannot be explained but we will know it in the sweet bye and bye. By then it will be too late to know and seek out.

Brother Robert, explain to me how man is spirit, soul, and body. Is my body my spirit? Is my soul my spirit? Is my spirit my body? Man is a tribune being created after the image of God. Even though man is made up three separate things, yet we are one man, so is God.

 

[B-A-C]

Explain the trinity to me. People say it cannot be explained but we will know it in the sweet bye and bye. By then it will be too late to know and seek out.

It's not nearly as difficult as some make it out to be.

An egg, is a shell, a yolk, and and an eggwhite. Any one of those 3 parts on it's own is sometimes called an egg.
A football is made up of a defensive team, an offensive team, and usually special teams that aren't offense or defense..
The US government has 3 branches... the executive, the legislative, and the judicial
A family often has a father, a mother, and a child(ren).

Now none of these are perfect examples... because sometimes families break up, and sometimes the government
doesn't agree with itself.. but the point here... many things can make up one thing.