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Who Are "The Jews" in the New Testament?

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In John, we find this concerning Jesus: "Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, where is he? And there was much complaining among the people concerning him. Some said, 'he is good'; others said, 'no, on the contrary, he deceives the people.' However, no one spoke openly of him for fear of 'the Jews'" John 7:11-13.

"The Jews", in this case, refers to the temple rulers and, not to the general Jewish population. We know this because it says above, "no one spoke openly of him for fear of the Jews." "No one", in this case, refers to the rest of the people gathered for the feast, most of whom were Jewish. Thus, when we see this phrase "the Jews" in the story of Jesus, it does not refer to all Jews or the Jewish nation but rather, it refers to the Jewish temple rulers. After all, Jesus was mostly Jewish and so were his followers.

For hundreds of years, the Catholic and later Protestant church of Europe terrorized, tortured and murdered large numbers of the minority Jewish population, because "the Jews" were said to have killed Jesus. This in spite of the fact that Mary the mother of Jesus, Andrew, James, John, Peter the supposed first pope and, thousands of initial followers, were virtually all Jewish. The truth is that the religious rulers stirred up the "crowd" to be against Jesus when he was crucified, though many did not assent to his killing, including a few leading religious Jews.

So, if we are to blame someone for killing Jesus, it was the religious leaders, who Jesus called "hypocrites", "liars", "snakes" and "blind leaders of the blind", among other choice words. Nevertheless, the Catholic and Protestant leaders of Europe treated the minority Jewish populations with horrific contempt and hostility, including crafting laws banning them from most occupations; as well as noted, they terrorized, tortured and murdered hundreds of thousands of Jews, based on a lie of complete and utter hypocrisy.

The real truth is we all killed Jesus, for "all have sinned. . ." And he died for all of us, to save us from our sins, to save us from what greatly harms us all and keeps us from being as free as we would like to be. Sin makes us less free, not more free, as many wrongly assume.

When we see Christian leaders today, who openly condemn sinners who Jesus came to save, like Ecclesiastes says, there truly is nothing new under the sun. Of such hypocrites, Paul says: "Therefore you are inexcusable, O one, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things" Romans 2:1. We have all broken God's law (singular); "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23.

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The real truth is we all killed Jesus, for "all have sinned. . ." And he died for all of us, to save us from our sins, to save us from what greatly harms us all and keeps us from being as free as we would like to be. Sin makes us less free, not more free, as many wrongly assume.

I agree with 95% of your post, just two items I can't accept.

This line ''The real truth is we all killed Jesus, for "all have sinned''.

It is a common line among preachers but I hate hearing it as it is false.

God crucified and killed Jesus according to scripture. Acts 2:23 "This Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed..."

Us falling into sin and needing a Saviour was by God's design.

I know that many who say this want to make the argument that without Jesus we would all be burning in fire for all eternity. But that is a false argument. Before the cross, all who repented of their sins were in a paradise.

Starting off with your false statement leads to other false conclusions. Calvinists love your statement. It supports the idea of God cherry picking some for heaven as all are inevitably destined for hell. When the truth is that only those who don't repent of their sins are destined for hell.

When we see Christian leaders today, who openly condemn sinners who Jesus came to save, like Ecclesiastes says, there truly is nothing new under the sun. Of such hypocrites, Paul says: "Therefore you are inexcusable, O one, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things" Romans 2:1. We have all broken God's law (singular); "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23.

I think you are applying Paul's words beyond what he intended.

There is nothing inherently wrong with condemning sinful behaviour or calling people to repentance. Paul himself identified a man living in serious sexual immorality in 1 Corinthians 5:1 and instructed the church to remove him from their fellowship. He also said not to eat with anyone who claims to be a Christian while living in unrepentant sin (1 Corinthians 5:11-12).

The problem is not condemning sin. The problem is doing so hypocritically while practicing the same sins ourselves, which is exactly Paul's point in Romans 2.
 
The Jews (not all) of that time refused to believe Jesus was who He says he was. It was AFTER they learned of what they've done.
What Jews believe and do is most certainly NOT Christ-like.
Swinging chickens around their head to "put upon the sins" and then kill it so they are "good" for a year?
Circumcision and then doing an act right after I will NOT repeat here.
The little "hat"? NO WHERE mentioned or commanded.
Tradition and works are what they believe.
 
In John, we find this concerning Jesus: "Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, where is he? And there was much complaining among the people concerning him. Some said, 'he is good'; others said, 'no, on the contrary, he deceives the people.' However, no one spoke openly of him for fear of 'the Jews'" John 7:11-13.

"The Jews", in this case, refers to the temple rulers and, not to the general Jewish population. We know this because it says above, "no one spoke openly of him for fear of the Jews." "No one", in this case, refers to the rest of the people gathered for the feast, most of whom were Jewish. Thus, when we see this phrase "the Jews" in the story of Jesus, it does not refer to all Jews or the Jewish nation but rather, it refers to the Jewish temple rulers. After all, Jesus was mostly Jewish and so were his followers.

For hundreds of years, the Catholic and later Protestant church of Europe terrorized, tortured and murdered large numbers of the minority Jewish population, because "the Jews" were said to have killed Jesus. This in spite of the fact that Mary the mother of Jesus, Andrew, James, John, Peter the supposed first pope and, thousands of initial followers, were virtually all Jewish. The truth is that the religious rulers stirred up the "crowd" to be against Jesus when he was crucified, though many did not assent to his killing, including a few leading religious Jews.

So, if we are to blame someone for killing Jesus, it was the religious leaders, who Jesus called "hypocrites", "liars", "snakes" and "blind leaders of the blind", among other choice words. Nevertheless, the Catholic and Protestant leaders of Europe treated the minority Jewish populations with horrific contempt and hostility, including crafting laws banning them from most occupations; as well as noted, they terrorized, tortured and murdered hundreds of thousands of Jews, based on a lie of complete and utter hypocrisy.

The real truth is we all killed Jesus, for "all have sinned. . ." And he died for all of us, to save us from our sins, to save us from what greatly harms us all and keeps us from being as free as we would like to be. Sin makes us less free, not more free, as many wrongly assume.

When we see Christian leaders today, who openly condemn sinners who Jesus came to save, like Ecclesiastes says, there truly is nothing new under the sun. Of such hypocrites, Paul says: "Therefore you are inexcusable, O one, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things" Romans 2:1. We have all broken God's law (singular); "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23.

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You asking your question who are the Jews in the New Testament.

The answer is anyone who does the will of God that follows his son Jesus is a true Jew. Paul states that a true Jew is one whose heart is circumcised
 
I agree with 95% of your post, just two items I can't accept.

This line ''The real truth is we all killed Jesus, for "all have sinned''.

It is a common line among preachers but I hate hearing it as it is false.

God crucified and killed Jesus according to scripture. Acts 2:23 "This Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed..."

Us falling into sin and needing a Saviour was by God's design.

I know that many who say this want to make the argument that without Jesus we would all be burning in fire for all eternity. But that is a false argument. Before the cross, all who repented of their sins were in a paradise.

Starting off with your false statement leads to other false conclusions. Calvinists love your statement. It supports the idea of God cherry picking some for heaven as all are inevitably destined for hell. When the truth is that only those who don't repent of their sins are destined for hell.



I think you are applying Paul's words beyond what he intended.

There is nothing inherently wrong with condemning sinful behaviour or calling people to repentance. Paul himself identified a man living in serious sexual immorality in 1 Corinthians 5:1 and instructed the church to remove him from their fellowship. He also said not to eat with anyone who claims to be a Christian while living in unrepentant sin (1 Corinthians 5:11-12).

The problem is not condemning sin. The problem is doing so hypocritically while practicing the same sins ourselves, which is exactly Paul's point in Romans 2.
God did NOT crucify Jesus. Jesus was crucified because we have all broken God's law. Stephen would never accuse God of killing Jesus; he accused those who were stoning him of killing Jesus. Thus, in truth we all killed Jesus; "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
 
God did NOT crucify Jesus.

I gave you a scripture that proves He was 100% complicit.

Jesus was crucified because we have all broken God's law.

Yes, God the Son, destined for the cross was planned before the foundations of the world Eph 1:4.

Stephen would never accuse God of killing Jesus; he accused those who were stoning him of killing Jesus.

Yes, those who killed Stephen also killed Jesus. And God and some Romans. Not me, not you.

Thus, in truth we all killed Jesus; "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

Falling short of the glory of God does not mean we killed Jesus. It means we needed a sacrifice for our sin.

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You seem unable to understand degrees of sin. When Jesus said to those who crucified Him ''forgive them, they know not what they do'', He was not implying that God not hold the charge of ''murdering an innocent person'' against them. He was making the point that they did not know that He was God the Son laying His life down for all sinners.

I am not a murderer. Most people are not mortal sinners. This catch phrase of yours ''we all crucified Jesus'' is to imply we are all equally guilty of sin. That is simply not true.

Scripture is crystal clear that God is just and will punish all according to their sin Rom 2:6. In hell there will be degrees of punishment. In heaven, you escape all punishment because God' makes you a new creation when you truly repent. One that literally cannot continue unrepentant in sin. Certainly not any mortal sin.

When Paul got saved he stopped all ''arranging murders of Christians''. Imagine Paul didn't. Imagine he took a break and then returned to it.

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We did not all kill Jesus. God predestined Jesus to the cross, like a Lamb to the slaughter. Jesus offered His life up for God and for us.

If Jesus never died, there would still be repentant sinners in Abrahams bosom and unrepentant in Hades.

Jesus's death is a gift to us from God.
 
I gave you a scripture that proves He was 100% complicit.



Yes, God the Son, destined for the cross was planned before the foundations of the world Eph 1:4.



Yes, those who killed Stephen also killed Jesus. And God and some Romans. Not me, not you.



Falling short of the glory of God does not mean we killed Jesus. It means we needed a sacrifice for our sin.

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You seem unable to understand degrees of sin. When Jesus said to those who crucified Him ''forgive them, they know not what they do'', He was not implying that God not hold the charge of ''murdering an innocent person'' against them. He was making the point that they did not know that He was God the Son laying His life down for all sinners.

I am not a murderer. Most people are not mortal sinners. This catch phrase of yours ''we all crucified Jesus'' is to imply we are all equally guilty of sin. That is simply not true.

Scripture is crystal clear that God is just and will punish all according to their sin Rom 2:6. In hell there will be degrees of punishment. In heaven, you escape all punishment because God' makes you a new creation when you truly repent. One that literally cannot continue unrepentant in sin. Certainly not any mortal sin.

When Paul got saved he stopped all ''arranging murders of Christians''. Imagine Paul didn't. Imagine he took a break and then returned to it.

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We did not all kill Jesus. God predestined Jesus to the cross, like a Lamb to the slaughter. Jesus offered His life up for God and for us.

If Jesus never died, there would still be repentant sinners in Abrahams bosom and unrepentant in Hades.

Jesus's death is a gift to us from God.
Do you not believe He died for you?

Either one believe the Word or dont running from responsibility for the part you took in the Lord being crucified will only lead to you own demise..

In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall the nail that is fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off: for the LORD hath spoken it.
 
Do you not believe He died for you?

Either one believe the Word or dont running from responsibility for the part you took in the Lord being crucified will only lead to you own demise..

In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall the nail that is fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off: for the LORD hath spoken it.

Twistie you would need to quote me. I think you skimmed my post.

Of course Jesus died for us. But Him dying for us was God's plan, not us killing Him.

Remember Jesus said this Matt 26:53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

It is very important to clarify the facts that A. Jesus willingly offered Himself up and B. It was God's plan from before we were created Eph 1:4.

There is a sect of people that push the line ''we killed Jesus''. They want to push the idea that we are all sinners (true), all sin is the same (false), we can't help but always commit sins whether mortal or venial (false). We are entirely helpless and cannot save ourselves (false / half truth).

They refuse to acknowledge the fact that there are degrees of sin and that Christians should be incapable of mortal sins, repent daily of their venial sins and certainly not be guilty of 'continuing' unrepentant in any of them. They want to continue in sin, seer their conscience, whether the sin is mortal sin or not.......LGBTQ+++++++......see where it goes?

This thread is a case of 2 Pet 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves

The only thing we need to determine is if the individual pushing them is brainwashed and niaive or a motivated false teacher.

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The only people that God will hold the 'sin of murdering an innocent person / Jesus against' are those Romans and Jews that arranged for His murder. I wasn't there. I have never murdered someone. I don't believe I would ever murder an innocent person. Saved or unsaved. God is a just judge who will punish the wicked according to their sin Rom 2:6. Paul rebukes all Christians who cannot judge sins better than the unsaved in 1 Cor 6:1-9.

Those Jews and Romans can thank their lucky stars that God does not hold the sin of ''murdering God the Son'' against them Luke 23:34.
 
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Ya ya doing word salad..its written

Ya are like the thief on the cross next to the Lord who refused to take accountability in his partake of his punishment why Lord aint take him Lord took the one that took accountability for their actions.
For every man shall bear his own burden."

Pontius Pilate
washed his hands in front of the crowd to avoid taking the blame for executing an innocent Jesus

Twisting Scripture to fit how you feel isnt a smart thing to do..
Im still wondering tho is blaspheming the Spirit in ignorance is forgiven..for how will one say they were ignorant to the Word when they could of spent time with Him to be lead correctly..



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Ya ya doing word salad..its written

Ya are like the thief on the cross next to the Lord who refused to take accountability in his partake of his punishment why Lord aint take him Lord took the one that took accountability for their actions..

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When you read my post and decided to reply were you by any chance sipping whiskey?
 
You want me to have an intellectual conversation with you after your reply above? Let me know when you have stopped drinking. I have a million better things to do.
Ya that what many Christians do they attack a person accusing them of things they know not if they do or not yet we can all see you run from Accountability..

Ya thats a person who been taught by the false preacher we can see their fruits and yours n they ugly..

Good luck with that monkey
 
Ya that what many Christians do they attack a person accusing them of things they know not if they do or not yet we can all see you run from Accountability..

Ya thats a person who been taught by the false preacher we can see their fruits and yours n they ugly..

Good kuck with that monkey

You should go look into a mirror and re-read your posts here.
 
I should say the ones that self proclaim they a Christian dont surprise me tho pride makes people boast about themselves
 
You should go look into a mirror and re-read your posts here.
Lol you cant take self accountability and your words say it yet ta telling others too

Lol a true hypocrite ey?

Anymore name calling ya wanna do like a first grader in a playground?

Just pathetic
 
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