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WHEN DOES THE END TIMES BEGIN, OR HAVE THEY BEGUN ALREADY
Many speak of End Times as now, the period we are living in, and as a result look for the signs Jesus gave in the current day, but is that really correct?
Part of the way we look at these things could be due to the fact that we are born into a time slot. We see the here and now, we consider the past influenced by what we see now and where we live in the world, we look to the future with a present understanding of the past which we haven’t seen.
What are our thoughts on the ‘End Times’ are they in the past, are they present, or are they in the future’?
What does scripture actually tell us? (More than one interpretation so let’s look at the following together)
JOEL’s PROPHESY SAYS
JOEL 2:30-32
30 “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
32 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the LORD
Shall be saved.
For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance,
As the LORD has said,
Among the remnant whom the LORD calls.
FAST FORWARD TO WHAT PETER STATED ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST?
ACTS 2:16-21
16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
21 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the LORD
Shall be saved.’
Past or future? Let’s stick with the past.
After clarifying for the Jews who had gathered from around the world that the speaking in unlearned languages by Jesus’ followers is not the result of drunkenness (Acts 2:15), Peter asserts that the phenomena of the sound from heaven, the tongues of fire, and the speaking in unlearnt languages (Acts 2:1-4) constitutes the fulfillment of Joel’s prophecy.
Peter provides a long quotation from the prophet Joel that begins with,
“In the last days it will be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams” (Acts 2:17, quoting Joel 2:28).
The rest of the Joel quotation and Peter’s explanation shows that Peter links the beginning of the last days not merely with the coming of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost but with the entire ministry of Jesus, which includes the giving of the Spirit and the proclamation of salvation for all those who call on the name of the Lord
(Acts 2:21, quoting Joel 2:32).
The content of Joel 2:30-32, which Peter regards as fulfilled, is used to explain more than just the Pentecost phenomena.
NOTE: “in the last days” (en tais eschatais hēmerais) in Acts 2:17
IS AN ADDITION to the text of Joel, who begins this particular prophecy with the phrase “and afterward.”
Peter clarifies that what follows in Joel’s prophecy relates to the last days of God’s history of salvation: the end times as the new age that was ushered in by Jesus.
Joel’s prophecy of “wonders and signs” was fulfilled in the miracles that Jesus performed, which were signs of the coming of the kingdom of God and of his role in this kingdom.
Joel’s prophecy was fulfilled in the events of Jesus’ death, notably in the darkening of the sun, mentioned in Acts 2:20.
The sequence of “wonders” in the sky followed by “signs” on earth corresponds to Luke’s account of the darkening of the sun at the time of Jesus’ crucifixion
(Luke 23:45a),
a “wonder” in the sky, followed by the rending of the curtain in the temple
(Luke 23:45b),
a sign that took place on earth.
The earthquake that Matthew 27:51 reports for the day of Jesus’ crucifixion—a sign on the earth—is not mentioned by Luke in Acts 2, but it would have been remembered by the people living in Jerusalem at the time.
Joel’s reference to “wonders in the sky above and signs on the earth below” (Acts 2:19)
Does not introduce a comment on the LAST DAY OF JUDGMENT. The DAY OF JUDGMENT was, for Peter, a FUTURE EVENT that was not “fulfilled” in his day.
Peter links all of Joel 2:28-32, quoted in Acts 2:17-21, with the assertion in Acts 2:16 that “this is what was spoken through the prophet Joel.” Peter only wanted to quote a prophecy that he believed was fulfilled by the phenomena that he wants to explain to the crowd, judgment was to come at the end of the end times.
Both Peter and Luke understood the “wonders and signs” performed by Jesus, as well as the events associated with Jesus’ crucifixion and ascension and the events of Pentecost as representing varying degrees of fulfillment of Joel’s prophecy.
Joel speaks of the last days that have begun with Jesus and that will culminate in God’s judgment. The reference to the “last days” establishes how Peter reads the prophets:
God has begun to fulfill his promises; the last days have arrived with Jesus’ ministry, death, resurrection, and ascension, and his bestowal of the Spirit.
In Romans 13:11-12, Paul appeals to the Christians in the city of Rome, to understand “the present time” and explains that “the hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.”
Paul clearly believes that Jesus’ return is the next event in God’s plan.
And this means that he is convinced that he lives in the last days and that the end times have begun.
(Continuing… )
Many speak of End Times as now, the period we are living in, and as a result look for the signs Jesus gave in the current day, but is that really correct?
Part of the way we look at these things could be due to the fact that we are born into a time slot. We see the here and now, we consider the past influenced by what we see now and where we live in the world, we look to the future with a present understanding of the past which we haven’t seen.
What are our thoughts on the ‘End Times’ are they in the past, are they present, or are they in the future’?
What does scripture actually tell us? (More than one interpretation so let’s look at the following together)
JOEL’s PROPHESY SAYS
JOEL 2:30-32
30 “And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
32 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the LORD
Shall be saved.
For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance,
As the LORD has said,
Among the remnant whom the LORD calls.
FAST FORWARD TO WHAT PETER STATED ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST?
ACTS 2:16-21
16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
21 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the LORD
Shall be saved.’
Past or future? Let’s stick with the past.
After clarifying for the Jews who had gathered from around the world that the speaking in unlearned languages by Jesus’ followers is not the result of drunkenness (Acts 2:15), Peter asserts that the phenomena of the sound from heaven, the tongues of fire, and the speaking in unlearnt languages (Acts 2:1-4) constitutes the fulfillment of Joel’s prophecy.
Peter provides a long quotation from the prophet Joel that begins with,
“In the last days it will be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams” (Acts 2:17, quoting Joel 2:28).
The rest of the Joel quotation and Peter’s explanation shows that Peter links the beginning of the last days not merely with the coming of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost but with the entire ministry of Jesus, which includes the giving of the Spirit and the proclamation of salvation for all those who call on the name of the Lord
(Acts 2:21, quoting Joel 2:32).
The content of Joel 2:30-32, which Peter regards as fulfilled, is used to explain more than just the Pentecost phenomena.
NOTE: “in the last days” (en tais eschatais hēmerais) in Acts 2:17
IS AN ADDITION to the text of Joel, who begins this particular prophecy with the phrase “and afterward.”
Peter clarifies that what follows in Joel’s prophecy relates to the last days of God’s history of salvation: the end times as the new age that was ushered in by Jesus.
Joel’s prophecy of “wonders and signs” was fulfilled in the miracles that Jesus performed, which were signs of the coming of the kingdom of God and of his role in this kingdom.
Joel’s prophecy was fulfilled in the events of Jesus’ death, notably in the darkening of the sun, mentioned in Acts 2:20.
The sequence of “wonders” in the sky followed by “signs” on earth corresponds to Luke’s account of the darkening of the sun at the time of Jesus’ crucifixion
(Luke 23:45a),
a “wonder” in the sky, followed by the rending of the curtain in the temple
(Luke 23:45b),
a sign that took place on earth.
The earthquake that Matthew 27:51 reports for the day of Jesus’ crucifixion—a sign on the earth—is not mentioned by Luke in Acts 2, but it would have been remembered by the people living in Jerusalem at the time.
Joel’s reference to “wonders in the sky above and signs on the earth below” (Acts 2:19)
Does not introduce a comment on the LAST DAY OF JUDGMENT. The DAY OF JUDGMENT was, for Peter, a FUTURE EVENT that was not “fulfilled” in his day.
Peter links all of Joel 2:28-32, quoted in Acts 2:17-21, with the assertion in Acts 2:16 that “this is what was spoken through the prophet Joel.” Peter only wanted to quote a prophecy that he believed was fulfilled by the phenomena that he wants to explain to the crowd, judgment was to come at the end of the end times.
Both Peter and Luke understood the “wonders and signs” performed by Jesus, as well as the events associated with Jesus’ crucifixion and ascension and the events of Pentecost as representing varying degrees of fulfillment of Joel’s prophecy.
Joel speaks of the last days that have begun with Jesus and that will culminate in God’s judgment. The reference to the “last days” establishes how Peter reads the prophets:
God has begun to fulfill his promises; the last days have arrived with Jesus’ ministry, death, resurrection, and ascension, and his bestowal of the Spirit.
In Romans 13:11-12, Paul appeals to the Christians in the city of Rome, to understand “the present time” and explains that “the hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.”
Paul clearly believes that Jesus’ return is the next event in God’s plan.
And this means that he is convinced that he lives in the last days and that the end times have begun.
(Continuing… )