What was Jesus saying when He said "you must be born again"
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Being born again.. is being "born of the Spirit" or "born from above".
John 3:3; Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
John 3:4; Nicodemus *said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"
John 3:5; Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6; "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7; "Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
John 3:8; "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
We are not naturally born "in the Spirit" when we are born.
1 Cor 15:44; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
1 Cor 15:45; So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
1 Cor 15:46; However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
John 7:39; But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
John 20:22; And when He had said this, He breathed on them and *said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:38; Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 5:32; "And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."
1 Pet 1:2; according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
Rom 5:5; and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
1 Cor 3:16; Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
Eph 5:18; And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,
1 Cor 6:19; Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?
There is a lot more to say about what that means.
John 3:3; Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
John 3:4; Nicodemus *said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"
John 3:5; Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6; "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7; "Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
John 3:8; "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
We are not naturally born "in the Spirit" when we are born.
1 Cor 15:44; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
1 Cor 15:45; So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
1 Cor 15:46; However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual.
John 7:39; But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
John 20:22; And when He had said this, He breathed on them and *said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.
Acts 2:38; Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 5:32; "And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."
1 Pet 1:2; according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
Rom 5:5; and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
1 Cor 3:16; Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
Eph 5:18; And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit,
1 Cor 6:19; Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?
There is a lot more to say about what that means.
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Is the Kingdom of God the Same as the Thousand Year Reign, and is Jesus the King in this time period?
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he is my king now and forever
but to answer your question directly yes Jesus is king during the 1000 year rule and his saints with glorified bodies will serve him in his rule. Is my understanding
Revelation 19:16
On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.
Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
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Luke 17:21 "Neither shall they say, Lo here!, or Lo there!, For, Behold the KINGDOM of GOD is WITHIN YOU."
As I've stated many times we all came out from God, that is our spirit. It is this spirit which is feminine in nature that resides in us that is the part he refers to in the above verse.
When that spirit conceives to the Holy Ghost it has just become a NEW CREATURE that never existed before, just like a zygote in the womb of a woman.
Now obviously this isn't a sexual thing but the Bible tells us that we understand the spiritual things by the natural things, so seeing how a natural pregnancy and then birth go it is evident that the new creature go through a gestational period before true birth. However just like a baby in the womb can hear and feel and even see, but not very well, so can the newly merged spirit within you.
At that moment we are able to hear the Lord when he speaks to us, which for some is more than others, but he will speak so that you know his voice.
It is also at this time that our understanding of spiritual things starts to blossom. We act like a starved baby but starved for the written word of God as well as his voice to comfort us. We now know that God really exists. No longer a believer but a knower of God and we know that he knows us.
Just personally speaking we do not SEE with the natural eye the KINGDOM because it is a SPIRITUAL KINGDOM. In this case it is see= the beginning of understanding.
The spirit being feminine is not necessarily assumed but we are called the BRIDE of CHRIST so take that for what its worth.
As the spirit within you matures God your Father will provide spiritual exercise for you, Doctrinal as well as personal sacrifice of that carnal mind you were born with. As the carnal mind dies and you bring into subjection all your members your spirit flourishes. Then when the Father sees fit he will separate you
from your earthly body just like he separated you from your mothers womb at natural birth.
On a personal note I was awakened 2,3,4 times a week by him and I knew to look at the clock and I would hear one word like Matthew. So i'd get up and see what the chapter and verse that corresponded to the time in Matthew said. It was normally an answer to something I was wondering about. A Revelation.
One particular night I was awakened at 3:33 and I heard the word Jeremiah. I didn't want to get up as I was quite tired. Long story short, I never moved nor spoke a word but inside I was saying to him I promise to look at this in the morning when I get up. Well my wife who was maybe a foot and a half away and had her back towards me in bed, completely asleep, said "YOUR NOT DOING WHAT I TOLD YOU TO DO", stirred a bit then resettled in her sleep.
He spoke to my external ear with her vocal cords believe it or not. More like scolded.
Look up Jeremiah 33:3 and see if it's something you would have God say to you. Jeremiah 3:33 doesn't exist.
Needless to say I called unto him and he answered with what I would call Holy Ghost school for a solid 2 plus years. Time passes and who can keep up.
As you all know the learning never stops but breaks are afforded as we have to work to feed the families etc...
And I would say the learning breaks are an opportunity to observe in the natural world just how the spirits in the world create havoc. Sort of like a field trip.
Experiencing the spiritual kingdom all around you as well as in you.
We may know a lot but its not just the knowing that we need, it's putting the principles to actions.
Sometimes it's being sent to a "church" you don't wanna go to cause they hate you for even mentioning something like praying in tongues, but you go anyways and once there something pops up, you got the answer for the question, and then you realize why your there, not to mention the obedience part.
I hope something I said may answer a question. I was trying but it morphed into a bit of testimony and natural world application.
If anyone else has personal experiences that were maybe in a different way in the Fathers dealing with you I'd love to read about it. Only met 1 other person raised as I was with the clock business.
As I've stated many times we all came out from God, that is our spirit. It is this spirit which is feminine in nature that resides in us that is the part he refers to in the above verse.
When that spirit conceives to the Holy Ghost it has just become a NEW CREATURE that never existed before, just like a zygote in the womb of a woman.
Now obviously this isn't a sexual thing but the Bible tells us that we understand the spiritual things by the natural things, so seeing how a natural pregnancy and then birth go it is evident that the new creature go through a gestational period before true birth. However just like a baby in the womb can hear and feel and even see, but not very well, so can the newly merged spirit within you.
At that moment we are able to hear the Lord when he speaks to us, which for some is more than others, but he will speak so that you know his voice.
It is also at this time that our understanding of spiritual things starts to blossom. We act like a starved baby but starved for the written word of God as well as his voice to comfort us. We now know that God really exists. No longer a believer but a knower of God and we know that he knows us.
Just personally speaking we do not SEE with the natural eye the KINGDOM because it is a SPIRITUAL KINGDOM. In this case it is see= the beginning of understanding.
The spirit being feminine is not necessarily assumed but we are called the BRIDE of CHRIST so take that for what its worth.
As the spirit within you matures God your Father will provide spiritual exercise for you, Doctrinal as well as personal sacrifice of that carnal mind you were born with. As the carnal mind dies and you bring into subjection all your members your spirit flourishes. Then when the Father sees fit he will separate you
from your earthly body just like he separated you from your mothers womb at natural birth.
On a personal note I was awakened 2,3,4 times a week by him and I knew to look at the clock and I would hear one word like Matthew. So i'd get up and see what the chapter and verse that corresponded to the time in Matthew said. It was normally an answer to something I was wondering about. A Revelation.
One particular night I was awakened at 3:33 and I heard the word Jeremiah. I didn't want to get up as I was quite tired. Long story short, I never moved nor spoke a word but inside I was saying to him I promise to look at this in the morning when I get up. Well my wife who was maybe a foot and a half away and had her back towards me in bed, completely asleep, said "YOUR NOT DOING WHAT I TOLD YOU TO DO", stirred a bit then resettled in her sleep.
He spoke to my external ear with her vocal cords believe it or not. More like scolded.
Look up Jeremiah 33:3 and see if it's something you would have God say to you. Jeremiah 3:33 doesn't exist.
Needless to say I called unto him and he answered with what I would call Holy Ghost school for a solid 2 plus years. Time passes and who can keep up.
As you all know the learning never stops but breaks are afforded as we have to work to feed the families etc...
And I would say the learning breaks are an opportunity to observe in the natural world just how the spirits in the world create havoc. Sort of like a field trip.
Experiencing the spiritual kingdom all around you as well as in you.
We may know a lot but its not just the knowing that we need, it's putting the principles to actions.
Sometimes it's being sent to a "church" you don't wanna go to cause they hate you for even mentioning something like praying in tongues, but you go anyways and once there something pops up, you got the answer for the question, and then you realize why your there, not to mention the obedience part.
I hope something I said may answer a question. I was trying but it morphed into a bit of testimony and natural world application.
If anyone else has personal experiences that were maybe in a different way in the Fathers dealing with you I'd love to read about it. Only met 1 other person raised as I was with the clock business.
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Your thoughts Are heart felt I know what you are talking about. In this evil world, The Lord has His loved ones Whom He has touched.
I was raise Catholic, at the age of aprox. 9 years of age, I was preparing for my 1st communion. A week or so before the ceremony, I got up early Sunday morn and my desire was to be close to God and Jesus( the Person on the Cross). I thought if I go to St. Teresa Catholic Church I'll be close to God and Jesus. Even though I had little understanding as a young catholic boy I remember wearing my new white shirt, black pants and new shoes which were for my ceremony. I walked out the back screen door without telling my mother where I was going. The elementary playground was 1/2 a block away . As I walked through the school dusty grounds; Imagine a 9 year old walking by himself carrying a conversation with no one as he kept looking up in the sky. I was talking to God as I always had done in the past. As I walked through the school grounds passing an open sheltered area connecting class rooms. I walked into an area with many trees; it was a cool morning in southern Texas. As I walk out among the trees I was suddenly saturated with a feeling of total and complete love I had never felt before. I knew it was The Lord, I felt His Grace and Mercy saturating all around me. there were no voices. I knew instantly that God loved me and that He Listened to me when I spoke with Him always. I knew that I was important to Him and that He would never leave. This was very special, something no man could teach.
As the years went on I knew the Lord was always there but I went the way of the world and kept telling the Lord I wasn't ready.
At the age of 36, married, 3 little girls to feed, I found myself one day under tremendous pressure at work. I was so over whelmed that I could not catch up with work. I was in the middle of the parking lot on a hot summer day, surrounded by car. As I stressed over many things I began to having a nervous breakdown. I began weeping, calling out saying "help me Lord please Help me as I fell to my knees saying I can't do this anymore Lord please help; as my Hands hit the ground crying bitterly. Just as my hands hit the ground, I heard my friend Kevin behind me on the right side. He said" Robert are you ok can I get you some water, come on lets get something to eat.." I began to shake off this moment of break down, composing myself saying I'm ok Kevin, I'm ok. As I began to get up I turn to look to the right behind me and there was no one there. (I get goose bumps remembering). I realized it was the Lord. from that point on I was so hungry not for food but for the Word of God.
To this day, I at age 66 I hunger to the truth of God's Word. it does not stop. there are many things I want to show others from the Word but I there are but a handful of listeners.
If Acts 1: tells us there were 120 gathered out of the thousand He touched, who am I to complain if I can find only a couple
Thank you Lord Jesus
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Thanks for sharing.
I'd say one thing here. Jesus told Peter to feed his sheep. Yes??? The problem today is there aren't many true sheep to feed, but there are a lot of WOLVES in sheeps clothing, and as soon as they open there mouth they prove who and what they are. So don't feel lonely theres almost never a soul to share with in the world as most are occupied by the world and have no time or interest for these things we speak of.
I'd say one thing here. Jesus told Peter to feed his sheep. Yes??? The problem today is there aren't many true sheep to feed, but there are a lot of WOLVES in sheeps clothing, and as soon as they open there mouth they prove who and what they are. So don't feel lonely theres almost never a soul to share with in the world as most are occupied by the world and have no time or interest for these things we speak of.
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I believe you are one of the Wolves mentioned, I promise not to take you seriously anymore.
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Just because I paraphrase this verse?
12The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it. 13The man runs away because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.
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The devil is the god of those who kill innocent Jews and Christians. You will soon find this devil cleaning shoes in the street corners of Jerusalem.
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I can tell we are both of one mind with the Lord our God and Savior. I and comforted that people like you are out there telling every one who will listen about our Lord Jesus Christ.
The Lord will Bless you and you family.
Your brother in Christ
You commented that there aren't meany true sheep to feed -- well -- why not share with Everyone and who really knows how many real sheep there are. 'We' might be surprised. And there Are a lot of 'bad people' out there who are waiting for someone to share the good news with them so that 'they' can become born-again good people.
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Lady, Don't kid yourself I challenge you to spend the whole day at a busy shopping mall and speak to everyone that comes within 10 foot. I doubt that you will find 3.
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All I can say is, It's all in Gods hands. Jesus finished it and God will call those who are appointed, in this first dispensation, to be called. I will defer to the Lord Jesus who said "I only do what I hear or see the Father doing". I.E. I'll wait on the Lord to open the opportunities and step up when it's my turn.
After all no man can come to the Son except the Father call him. I'm not the Father. And he knows a whole lot better than me who needs to be talked to, and who needs a book instead, and for that matter maybe a woman would be a better choice for the person in question. I leave it to GOD.
Have you ever played hide and seek with any small kids like your grand children, say 2-3 years old? Me personally I believe GOD gets extreme joy out of our response to his introduction of Jesus and especially the emotional process that occurs when the baptism in the Holy Ghost happens. Just like the joy you get from the little childrens response when they find you hiding from them. I will not spoil the moment.
After all no man can come to the Son except the Father call him. I'm not the Father. And he knows a whole lot better than me who needs to be talked to, and who needs a book instead, and for that matter maybe a woman would be a better choice for the person in question. I leave it to GOD.
Have you ever played hide and seek with any small kids like your grand children, say 2-3 years old? Me personally I believe GOD gets extreme joy out of our response to his introduction of Jesus and especially the emotional process that occurs when the baptism in the Holy Ghost happens. Just like the joy you get from the little childrens response when they find you hiding from them. I will not spoil the moment.
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thank you my friend you are so right in what you say.
There were, as far as I know, 7 dispensation Adam's was the first
As you know about dispensation, dispensing medicine, God gave instructions to Adam, and Abraham, and the prophets, and King David and the minor prophets, and finally to Paul with The Kingdom of Grace. I would need to research details between to prophets to make the Seven but you get the jist of it.
Feel free to ask. I will do my best to find detail scripture of what I have said.
No one was suggesting to go to a shopping mall and talk to people or hand out tracts to anyone. That's not even the point. The Point is relationship evangelizing. Getting to know your neighbors. Getting involved in a small group.
Do people in "Your" daily life see Christ in "You".
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Nicodemus " how can I enter my mother's womb and be born again" ......Jesus did not deny Nic's understanding. so Nic's understanding is valid.
Then Jesus said " must be born again to see the Kingdom.".......
Do you see the Kingom when you look out the window?... reference what Ni. said about a literal birth.
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the kingdom is seen when you are changed then you are part of the kingdom. you start having a eternal perspective instead of a wordy one, they are usually at opposites. IMO
