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What Happens to Those Who Never Hear the Gospel?

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That's all and well BUT -
If one is not trained to be Spirit Lead then they will not walk in the Steps ordered by the Lord.

If one does not first get Gods Word in them in abundance then it won't be there to come out.

Head knowledge worketh very little where the Word of God is Concerned and there is a lot of that going around.
If one trust the Lord to direct their steps, then it will include being led to read the scripture as kept by those who loved Him & His words in the KJV as the Lord will confirm this to those who place their trusts in Him that is the one to rely on for Him to give wisdom in discerning good and evil in these latter days.

The problem here is I need the Lord's help to know when I am talking to those who have ears but do not hear as well as His help to stop ministering to those that are set in their ways because of long held and yet unBiblical traditions or/and their supernatural experiences whom they ave failed to test the spirits in diserning them as not of God, no matter how good the experience was; hence they are seducing spirits serving as the spirit of the antichrist in taking the spotlight in worship from honoring the Son in order to honor the Father beause the Son is the only way any one can honor God the Father by in worship John 5:22-23 The real indwelling Holy Spirit would never do that for why those visiting spirits with signs are not HIM !
 
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If one trust the Lord to direct their steps, then it will include being led to read the scripture as kept by those who loved Him & His words in the KJV as the Lord will confirm this to those who place their trusts in Him that is the one to rely on for Him to give wisdom in discerning good and evil in these latter days.

The problem here is I need the Lord's help to know when I am talking to those who have ears but do not hear as well as His help to stop ministering to those that are set in their ways because of long held and yet unBiblical traditions or/and their nonChristian supernatural experiences whom they ave failed to test the spirits in diserning them as not of God, no matter how good the experience was; hence they are seducing spirits serving as the spirit of the antichrist in taking the spotlight in worship from honoring the Son in order to honor the Father beause the Son is the only way any one can honor God the Father by in worship John 5:22-23 The real indwelling Holy Spirit would never do that for why those visiting spirits with signs are not HIM !
 
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God does when He tosses unbelievers into the lake of fire and tortures them 24/7 for eternity?"
Greetings,
First of all this statement is not 100 percent correct.

Its Not Gods choice who enters Heaven or Hell.

He created hell for satan and his bunch.

He provided Jesus and said All will have heard the saving Gospel.

Thus leaving eternal destination in the hands of man.

Man picks his own destination for the after life.

Blessings
 
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Greetings,
First of all this statement is not 100 percent correct.

Its Not Gods choice who enters Heaven or Hell.

He created hell for satan and his bunch.

He provided Jesus and said All will have heard the saving Gospel.

Thus leaving eternal destination in the hands of man.

Man picks his own destination for the after life.

Blessings
I would say in according to John 3:18-21 KJV that God the Father knows who prefers to live in sin and those who prefer to live with God to have their evil deeds reproved from them. Since no man can come to the Son unless the Father draws him ( John 6:44 KJV ), and it is the Father that reveals His Son to those that seek Him, even unto babes while hiding the truth from the religious wise of the world as they are being of the world for why He is calling them to surrender from their own works to learn of Him and all His promises to us to rest in Him; Matthew 11:25-30 KJV

Hell is the place where sin works its fruitation; eternal separation from God. Sin has already condemned sinners for why God provided the way out of that condemnation in coming back to all that is good and God for all eternity thru Jesus Christ. Sin is the poison that is robbing us of a life with the holy God; Jesus Christ is the antidote; the lamb of God whereby His blood is over us for why death will pass over us as it did literally for the first borns of the Hebrews with blood over their door posts. That is why Jesus Christ in us believers is how we are able to live with God forever and not be driven away from Him because of sin for which He shall bring us Home perfect to live with God forever, even for those unrepentant saints left behind.

After death is judgment for why now is the time of salvation as sinners that seek God will find Him in Jesus Christ as promised for all those that seek God. Before the Bridegroom comes is why now is the time to gi before that throne of grace and ask Jesus Christ for help to discern sin and what is not of Him so they can call on Him for help to deliver them from evil and keep them from it by the same grace of God they have been saved by thru faith in Jesus Christ.

So man is not really in charge of his own destiny, but those who seek Him have been promised by God that they will find Him and be able to believe in Him to be saved for why God will reveal His Son to all who seek Him to be saved.
 
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Hearing the Gospel? Paul in his writings assures us that "All has heard the true Gospel of Salvation and shall not have a excuse at the Judgement. Now what is the Gospel of our Salvation. Why it has to be "in the Blood" so if one truly believes in the Death, burial and Resurrection of Jesus u shall be saved. The Holy Spirit indwells us at that point and our walk is thus guided. That does not mean we can go on sinning without fear. Many sin, i do each day as i awake into the world and each day i seek the and confess this to my Savior. U see when Christ said "It Is Done" then nothing else is to be done. What has followed in today's "Churches" is this and that you have to do, go and say that, etc. A church building does not save a person, let us all remember that "We. are the Body of Christ, the Church, and he is the head. Also many many still try to find salvation in the Gospels of when Jesus was on Earth. If someone can find anything about Cross and his death please provide that to me! Even the disciples when Jesus told them "We go up to the Passover feast where he shall be delivered up and beaten, spit upon and put to death they understood not. They understood not because God hid it from them. If they knew that Jesus would rise again why were they at the tomb on the "Third Day"? We, should all be in the Epistles of Paul as he is the Apostle to the Gentiles, thus so by the ascended Lord.. All scripture is for our edification and should also be kept a breast however for our Salvation I strongly feel the Grace and Mercy is given to us by Paul.
 
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God is a just and fair God. He would not sentence someone to death that has not even heard the word. When Satan’s rebellion/overthrow took place and God along with that one third of the sons of God that sided/chose God, put Satan and his followers back in place, God at that time set up a plan of salvation to redeem as many of His children as was possible back from Satan. The final step in Gods plan was set up to redeem all those for whatever reason, did not get to hear the true word of God. That last and final step right before the Great White Throne Judgement, known as the Millennium. During the Millennium God has covered all bases needed to redeem His children that desire to follow God. During the Millennium only Gods truth will be taught, there won’t be this religion and that religion. There will be only one word taught and that is Gods word. God can not sentence anyone to death without them first hearing the true word of God and either excepting or rejecting that word. So you can see that God had already realized that not all would be fortunate enough to hear to His word, so his solution was the Millennium, also known as the DAY OF THE LORD, that one thousand year period of time where only the true word of God will taught.
 
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Wired 4 Fishen,
re: "Its Not Gods choice who enters Heaven or Hell."

So you're saying that He has no choice? - That He has to cast certain folks into the lake of fire to be tortured for eternity?



re: "Man picks his own destination for the after life."

What are the selections that man has to pick from?
 
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Benito I just read your number 12 post. Why can’t you apply the way of thinking and reasoning to understand the first world age. You made good ole common sense in that reasoning. God didn’t have to spell it out word for word for you. God tells us all in many places in the Bible of the that first world age.

The millennium age which is just up in front of us all will be the last chance for Gods children to make that last decision whether they will follow God or Satan. It’s a individual thing that each child must and will make. For all those who were not fortunate to hear God’s word taught in exactness and truth, the Millennium will be that chance. God will not and could not sentence one to eternal death without first hearing the true word of God. In the Millennium ONLY THE TRUE WORD OF GOD WILL BE TAUGHT. So everyone will have their chance to make his or her mind up on who they will follow. And at that point God will be able to pass a fair and true judgment on His children.
 
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Bendito I just read your number 12 post. Why can’t you apply the way of thinking and reasoning to understand the first world age. You made good ole common sense in that reasoning. God didn’t have to spell it out word for word for you. God tells us all in many places in the Bible of the that first world age.

The millennium age which is just up in front of us all will be the last chance for Gods children to make that last decision whether they will follow God or Satan. It’s a individual thing that each child must and will make. For all those who were not fortunate to hear God’s word taught in exactness and truth, the Millennium will be that chance. God will not and could not sentence one to eternal death without first hearing the true word of God. In the Millennium ONLY THE TRUE WORD OF GOD WILL BE TAUGHT. So everyone will have their chance to make his or her mind up on who they will follow. And at that point God will be able to pass a fair and true judgment on His children.
 
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Beresheet,

What about those mentioned in Revelation 20:5: "But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished..."?
 
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So you're saying that He has no choice? - That He has to cast certain folks into the lake of fire to be tortured for eternity?
No Scripture teaches us this.
We all get judged.
If we have Christ then we will enter in. If we don't have Christ then we don't get in and that leaves only one other place for them.

Scripture tells us all will have had a chance to choose Jesus or not. Scripture tells us if we don't choose Jesus then we are not getting into Heaven.

So yes its mans choice not Gods choice who spends eternity with Him.
 
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Wired 4 Fishen,
re: "No"

So you're saying that He does have a choice? That He doesn't have to cast folks into the lake of fire to be tortured day and night for eternity?



Also you wrote that "Man picks his own destination for the after life." What are the selections that man has to pick from?
 
Loyal
So you're saying that He does have a choice? That He doesn't have to cast folks into the lake of fire to be tortured day and night for eternity?

Also you wrote that "Man picks his own destination for the after life." What are the selections that man has to pick from?
This is the last time I will answer you because you seem to just be playing a game.

What I said is as follows.
God has no choice.
It is out of His hands who spends eternity with or without Him.

He has made one way to be with Him and that is through Jesus.

He has left the choice unto man. Man picks His Way or any other way of life.

Man picks His way then man picked heaven.

Man picks any other life then man has chosen to not spend eternity with God.

God made this clear. God left the choice to man.
Blessings
 
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Wired 4 Fishen,

Sorry, I misunderstood your reply in your post #31. I thought you were saying 'no', and simply forgot to put a period after it.

At any rate, I would still like to know what you think the selections are that man has to pick from?
 
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Rev 20:5 the rest of the dead here is the children that did not overcome out of the flesh. So their souls are still in limbo on whether they will overcome during the millennium, that one thousand year period where only truth is taught. They will be test at the end of that thousand year period known as the millennium. They live not cause they have not overcome yet. Their souls are still in that mode, where they are still libel to die unless they overcome in the millennium. At the end of the millennium is that GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT DAY and there they will receive eternal life or they go into the pit and be destroyed, blotted out, not even their remembrance will survive.
 
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3 NT texts undermine the claim that those who have never heard the Gospel are automatically damned:


(1) In 1 Peter 3:19 “prison” is an image of the abode of the evil dead from the time of Noah. This focus is due to Peter’s use of the Great Flood as an image of baptism. The assumption is that these evil dead can respond to Christ’s preaching and thus be redeemed:


“…He [Christ] went and made proclamation to the spirits in prison, who in former times did not obey, when God waited patiently in the days of Noah…(3:19)”


Some try to evade this implication by identifying “the spirits in prison” as the Nephilim. But this interpretation seems to be precluded by the resumption of “the spirits of the dead” in the phrase “the Gospel was preached even to the dead” and the use of “spirit” in 4:6:
“…the Gospel was proclaimed even to the dead, so that, though they had been judged in the flesh, as everyone is judged, they might live in the spirit as God does.”


(2) Members of the original Corinthian church mourn the fact that deceased unrighteous family members have missed out on salvation. So, with Paul’s approval, they practice a ritual of proxy baptism for their unrighteous discarnate loved ones. Paul views this ritual as a small part of the process by which God will ultimately become “everything to everyone:”


“…so that God may be all in all (Greek: panta en pasin” =“everything to everyone”). Otherwise, what will those people do who receive baptism in behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf (1 Corinthians 15:28-29)?"


The Jewish background of such proxy baptism is a redemptive ritual performed by Judas Maccabaeus during a key battle against the Syrian Greeks. In 2 Maccabees 12:39-46 [a book in the Catholic OT), Judas and his soldiers find small idols in the clothing of slain Jewish freedom fighters and conclude that their deaths are punishments for idolatry. But then they pray for their salvation and finance a sin offering in their behalf:


“He [Judas Maccabaeus] also took up a collection…and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering …For if he had not expected that those who were fallen would rise from the dead, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead…Therefore, he made atonement for the dead, so that they might be delivered from their sin.”


(3) Paul teaches the possibility of salvation for pagans who have never heard the Gospel:


“To those who by patiently seeking to do good seek for glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life…When Gentiles who do not possess the Law do instinctively what the Law requires, these…are a Law to themselves. They show that what the Law requires is written on their hearts, to which their own conscience also bears witness (Romans 2:7, 14-15).”


Their lack of access to God’s written Torah allows them to be exempt from guilt through violation of that Law: “…sin is not reckoned when there is no law (Romans 5:13).” In their case ignorance can be a valid excuse: [Paul:] “God has overlooked the times of human ignorance, but now He commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30).” This teaching represents an application of Jesus’ principle that God judges us on the basis of how much spiritual light we have received: “From everyone to whom much has been given, much will be required (Luke 12:48).”
 
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Greetings dear brothers and sisters

One thing we know for sure is that our God is just.

And He knows the heart of all people

And we can trust Him with these matters without a doubt


The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:9
 
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Can anybody name one single society today that has not heard the Gospel? I thought not.
 
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Can anybody name one single society today that has not heard the Gospel? I thought not.
A better question is: How many unbelievers have heard and understood a proper clarification of the Gospel? Most people in most countries have not!
And millions in Third World countries know little or nothing about Jesus.
 
Loyal
A better question is: How many unbelievers have heard and understood a proper clarification of the Gospel? Most people in most countries have not!
And millions in Third World countries know little or nothing about Jesus.
Can you document this?
 

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