WE HAVE TO EAT JESUS

[MedicBravo]

Right!

Good point.

I want to hear more about how you believe we are to seek him and how you believe we find him. I don't want to share my beliefs about it until I hear more from others. Thanks for the reply.

All who lived in His time and experienced him, good or bad, had something we never will in this life.
We tend to value and believe in things more when we can see, hear, touch, and so on these things.
The former me, like anyone else, has a "Don't care." attitude and follows the law for the most part.
We innately know what is good or bad as we learn from our environment.
I'm not going to type out my own past and personal testimony and at that length few will read it.
People get "sick and tired of being sick and tired" of all the garbage in their life and know there's something more. Largely explainable. Largely misunderstood. Most tend to fit in instead of stand out.
Will I have a job that when I die I'll be forgotten by the company and 99% of employees within 6 months? Let's hope not.
Will people remember me for what I have or what I've done and who I am?
It all comes down to the beginning. Everything has one. There's no good, valid explanation for the start of everything. That is another topic.

 

[God's Truth]

All who lived in His time and experienced him, good or bad, had something we never will in this life.
We tend to value and believe in things more when we can see, hear, touch, and so on these things.
The former me, like anyone else, has a "Don't care." attitude and follows the law for the most part.
We innately know what is good or bad as we learn from our environment.
I'm not going to type out my own past and personal testimony and at that length few will read it.
People get "sick and tired of being sick and tired" of all the garbage in their life and know there's something more. Largely explainable. Largely misunderstood. Most tend to fit in instead of stand out.
Will I have a job that when I die I'll be forgotten by the company and 99% of employees within 6 months? Let's hope not.
Will people remember me for what I have or what I've done and who I am?
It all comes down to the beginning. Everything has one. There's no good, valid explanation for the start of everything. That is another topic.

I think I know how you feel and what you are talking about. I'm sure the people in the Bible thought and felt the same things to a point.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

@Jesus_is_LORD @GodB4Us @Bill @MedicBravo @Lavenderfields @complete @Garee

Would anyone like to tell how they drink Jesus' blood and eat his flesh?

For me, the blood of Christ relates to His life and death,

and the body relates to the struggle of his life.

Jesus is communicating that if anyone ones to come after Him, they should
be willing to live and die like He did (blood--life) and also endure
the suffering and do the work that He did (body).

For me I do this by setting aside my plans for life and walking each day
dying to myself and life for Christ in my actions.

At my work, living for Christ;
In my time of leisure, doing hobbies they bring God glory;
and forsaking my fleshly desires.

 

[God's Truth]

All who lived in His time and experienced him, good or bad, had something we never will in this life.
We tend to value and believe in things more when we can see, hear, touch, and so on these things.
The former me, like anyone else, has a "Don't care." attitude and follows the law for the most part.
We innately know what is good or bad as we learn from our environment.
I'm not going to type out my own past and personal testimony and at that length few will read it.
People get "sick and tired of being sick and tired" of all the garbage in their life and know there's something more. Largely explainable. Largely misunderstood. Most tend to fit in instead of stand out.
Will I have a job that when I die I'll be forgotten by the company and 99% of employees within 6 months? Let's hope not.
Will people remember me for what I have or what I've done and who I am?
It all comes down to the beginning. Everything has one. There's no good, valid explanation for the start of everything. That is another topic.

I might have understood you. What are you trying to say?
Are you saying you don't believe in Jesus or that you are not sure?

 

[God's Truth]

For me, the blood of Christ relates to His life and death,

and the body relates to the struggle of his life.

I haven't heard it like that before. Are you thinking of a particular scripture? Are you saying that because he was tortured and died?

Jesus is communicating that if anyone ones to come after Him, they should
be willing to live and die like He did (blood--life) and also endure
the suffering and do the work that He did (body).
For me I do this by setting aside my plans for life and walking each day
dying to myself and life for Christ in my actions.

Why do you say setting aside your plans?

At my work, living for Christ;
In my time of leisure, doing hobbies they bring God glory;
and forsaking my fleshly desires.

So would you say to drink Jesus' blood is to believe in him and to eat his flesh is to obey his words? It sounds like that is what you are saying.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

So would you say to drink Jesus' blood is to believe in him and to eat his flesh is to obey his words? It sounds like that is what you are saying.

Generally speaking, yes, but to be more critical, not really.


Put it another way, do you think Jesus would have used that metaphor if He was going to die a natural death?
Or do you think the reality of the crucifixion relates to why He chose this specific metaphor (blood and body)?

Obviously this metaphor was repulsive and off putting to the people, evidenced by them saying "This is a hard saying".
Although they misunderstood Him. Similarly just as the metaphor is a "hard" thing, the reality that the metaphor
represents is also a "hard" thing.

The way you put it the blood being believing does not represent the "hard"-ness of the reality that Jesus is trying to communicate.
Believing is not the hard part, but living out the Christian life day in and day out is the hard part.
But one could say that we have to believe every day and not lose faith, so in that sense, one could argue that there
is a daily struggle to continue believing. However I don't think of the act of believing as being very difficult, and it is clear
that Jesus chose a metaphor that would clearly represent something that was very difficult to do.

Evidence by the parable of the seed, many can believe in the beginning for often their roots are not as deep or they
get choked by the desires of this world. So the believing doesn't see to be the hard part if it is something that
many can do quickly when they come to Christ in the beginning.

What Jesus is trying to communicate is sharing in His suffering, day in and day out.

 

[MedicBravo]

I might have understood you. What are you trying to say?
Are you saying you don't believe in Jesus or that you are not sure?

What indicates I don't believe?

 

[God's Truth]

What indicates I don't believe?

You sound kind of depressed and unsure?

 

[God's Truth]

Generally speaking, yes, but to be more critical, not really.

Well that is a little confusing to me for you to say generally speaking and then not really.

Put it another way, do you think Jesus would have used that metaphor if He was going to die a natural death?

Jesus knew how he was going to die, he knew he was the Sacrificial Lamb of God.

Or do you think the reality of the crucifixion relates to why He chose this specific metaphor (blood and body)?

He was crucified but not sure what you are getting at. If he would have been killed another way he still would have been the sacrificed Lamb.

Obviously this metaphor was repulsive and off putting to the people, evidenced by them saying "This is a hard saying".
Although they misunderstood Him. Similarly just as the metaphor is a "hard" thing, the reality that the metaphor
represents is also a "hard" thing.

Okay, I can see that as acceptable, since Jesus was to be sacrificed.

The way you put it the blood being believing does not represent the "hard"-ness of the reality that Jesus is trying to communicate.

You aren't saying though what you think it means to drink his blood other than saying it is hardness.

Believing is not the hard part, but living out the Christian life day in and day out is the hard part.

Why do you think it is hard living our the Christian life day in and day out?
There is nothing I would want to do besides obeying Jesus.

But one could say that we have to believe every day and not lose faith, so in that sense, one could argue that there
is a daily struggle to continue believing.

You see it as a daily struggle to believe in Jesus every day?

However I don't think of the act of believing as being very difficult, and it is clear
that Jesus chose a metaphor that would clearly represent something that was very difficult to do.

But Jesus speaks often about how we have to believe in him to get saved.
So though you disagree with me that believing is as drinking his blood, I see it as a serious thing for sure.

Evidence by the parable of the seed, many can believe in the beginning for often their roots are not as deep or they
get choked by the desires of this world. So the believing doesn't see to be the hard part if it is something that
many can do quickly when they come to Christ in the beginning.

It seems you are stuck between saying believing is easy and then saying it is hard and back to saying it is easy?
At least you are considering that drinking his blood is as drinking his blood.
We have to believe in him, so that is why the believing is as drinking his blood, and we have to obey him, and that is why I say to obey his words is as eating his flesh.

What Jesus is trying to communicate is sharing in His suffering, day in and day out.

This sounds a little strange to me I have not heard it like this before.
Thanks for the deep discussion though.

 

[God's Truth]

@GodB4Us @Jesus_is_LORD @MedicBravo

So far I do not think that JiL and MB explained how they would eat Jesus' flesh. Did I miss something?

Gb4U was a little more clear about saying he eats Jesus flesh by just believing in Jesus. I don't agree with that but it seems clear.

I believe we eat the Bread from Heaven, Jesus' flesh, by obeying his words.
We have to have Jesus in us to be saved.
We have to eat and drink Jesus to be saved.
That is we have to believe and obey Jesus to be saved.

 

[MedicBravo]

@God's Truth That might be his opinion more than any faith based belief.
I've had communion long ago and like any Christian a WIP but I have some things I need to work on and improve before I do it again.
There are many things I think when I pray, study, and think about it all but never a constant "Christan zombie must EAT JESUS." type of mentality. He died once and with the the Gospels it's hard to forget that event.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Well that is a little confusing to me for you to say generally speaking and then not really.

Jesus knew how he was going to die, he knew he was the Sacrificial Lamb of God.


He was crucified but not sure what you are getting at. If he would have been killed another way he still would have been the sacrificed Lamb.

Okay, I can see that as acceptable, since Jesus was to be sacrificed.

You aren't saying though what you think it means to drink his blood other than saying it is hardness.



Why do you think it is hard living our the Christian life day in and day out?
There is nothing I would want to do besides obeying Jesus.


You see it as a daily struggle to believe in Jesus every day?


But Jesus speaks often about how we have to believe in him to get saved.
So though you disagree with me that believing is as drinking his blood, I see it as a serious thing for sure.

It seems you are stuck between saying believing is easy and then saying it is hard and back to saying it is easy?
At least you are considering that drinking his blood is as drinking his blood.
We have to believe in him, so that is why the believing is as drinking his blood, and we have to obey him, and that is why I say to obey his words is as eating his flesh.

This sounds a little strange to me I have not heard it like this before.
Thanks for the deep discussion though.

Thanks for the points of consideration.

 

[GodB4Us]

What Jesus is trying to communicate is sharing in His suffering, day in and day out.

This verse below and thus this reference came to mind.

1 Peter 4:1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

Sort of off topic but I felt like sharing this in relation to your comment.

 

[God's Truth]

@God's Truth That might be his opinion more than any faith based belief.
I've had communion long ago and like any Christian a WIP but I have some things I need to work on and improve before I do it again.
There are many things I think when I pray, study, and think about it all but never a constant "Christan zombie must EAT JESUS." type of mentality. He died once and with the the Gospels it's hard to forget that event.

I'm not talking about the remembrance eating of bread and wine.

Jesus says his food is to do the will of his Father---so why don't you believing our food is to obey Jesus' teachings to us?

Read what Jesus' disciples said to him...

John 4:31 Meanwhile his disciples urged him, "Rabbi, eat something."

32 But he said to them, "I have food to eat that you know nothing about."

33 Then his disciples said to each other, "Could someone have brought him food?"

34 "My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.


Did you read that? Jesus says his food is to DO the will of him who sent me and to FINISH HIS WORK.

We are to do God's will. God's will is that we obey Jesus' teachings.

Now, that proves we eat the flesh of Jesus when we do what Jesus says to do.

 

[God's Truth]

Thanks for the points of consideration.

I hope you see how when I discuss with others I am serious about understanding them deeply and giving care to what they say. There are people I know give me answers to what I say and ask and it is as if they didn't read anything I said but a first sentence and or a fast skim.
It would have been decent if you would have replied to my post back to you, but so be it that you think you have better things to do here.

 

[God's Truth]

This verse below and thus this reference came to mind.

1 Peter 4:1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

Sort of off topic but I felt like sharing this in relation to your comment.

I think what was cool of you is that you helped that member answer my question to him.

As for that scripture you gave, it is about dealing with sin and how people who give up sin only suffer for a very short time and they don't suffer to the point of shedding blood when they give up sins.

What do you think about that? We don't suffer daily.

Read it again with the information I gave you.

Peter says suffered and not suffering.

 

[God's Truth]

@GodB4Us

It looks like you are the only one serious about discussing on how to eat Jesus.
We are on a discussion site and people are being picky about discussing too much and being worldly about who they will discuss with.
I am hated here because I am doing something Jesus says to do and that is to contend for the faith and correct and teach and encourage.
No one likes my encouragement and they only want to go by what their teacher of choice said that went against the normal teaching of the Catholics. Isn't that ironic? Everyone here treating me so badly for going against the false faith alone teaching, but we have Lutherans here who go by Luther who went against the Catholic church, and we have Calvinists here who went against Lutherans and Catholics, but they don't dare consider what I say, even though I point everyone not to myself but to Jesus and the written words in the Holy Bible.

 

[God's Truth]

@GodB4Us

Do you want to explain to me how Jesus' food is to do what the Father says, but our food is not to do what Jesus says?


John 4:34 "My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.

 

[God's Truth]

@Jesus_is_LORD @MedicBravo and anyone else,


Do you want to explain to me how Jesus' food is to do what the Father says, but our food is not to do what Jesus says?


John 4:34 "My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.

 

[MedicBravo]

@God's Truth
I always strive to remind people that one verse is not a descriptor or an issue.
John 4:31-34 "Jesus teaches his disciples the source of His strength and satisfaction."
They had not yet learned of how Jesus thought and until then their thinking meat was limited.
Analogies seem to be lost on them for a large part.
"I have food to eat of which you do not know." - Jesus knows things they will not but will teach them what they can know. He is saying the most important thing (meat/food) is the will of His Father. That does NOT neglect the needs of our body. The mission comes first.
Everyone needs food and water to live. I've never starved but I have gone long periods without any or much food (long story). In the military, when deployed we often carry so much on missions. We were burning lots of energy as they were.
I'm sure all can agree that pain is uncomfortable but from being hungry (not starvation).
We focus our lives on necessities, work, other people and tend to neglect or limit our priority; God.
We have the two greatest commandments which are the Ten Commandments.
I'm not swimming in money but if I have a way to feed someone else with what I was going to have then they are priority.
It's likely Jesus went hungry and thirsty for long periods but none moreso when He was tempted. On average a human can last roughly 3 weeks without food before there are problems.
He might have been GodMan but He experienced the same things we do.