Quote Me Scripture To Support Your Argument
buzzboodro said:
WOW....all this talk about sin and evil and "warping God's word" ...let's back up and regroup there Dave . First of all Adam and Eve had no knowledge of what a "lie" was before eating the fruit of the tree so how can they be accused of sinning ? Now Eve after
eating it could be as her eyes were opened when she gave it to Adam. Sin and evil was not the cause of them being evicted from the garden anyway "now lest they take from the tree of life and live..." that was the reason. God's not sitting back with a hammer waiting to "whack" people that mess up so why should we ?
The very fact that Adam and Eve ate from the only tree in the garden, of which they were forbidden, states that they believed the devil and DID NOT BELIEVE GOD.
This action, in itself , calls GOD a liar, as they did what they were WARNED AGAINST, IN BELIEVING A LIAR.
They doubted GOD, and disbelieved that THEY WOULD SURELY DIE.
Here is some scripture which supports my statements.
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ROMANS 5
1. Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
2. through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.
3. And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance;
4. and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope;
5. and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
6. For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.
7. For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die.
8. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
10. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.
11. And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
12. Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--
13. for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
15. But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.
16. The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification.
17. For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
18. So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
19. For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
20. The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
21. so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE
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Verses 12 and 15 OBVIOUSLY speak of ADAM, the first man >>> through
whose disobedience sin entered into the world, and alll people there after were cursed.
This SCRIPTURE (not my opinion), negates and makes a lie out of your statements. Sin and evil were EXACTLY the cause of their eviction from the garden. They had disobeyed GOD and were now able to usurp HIS AUTHORITY AND DOMINION and live by the taking of the tree, from which they were forbidden to eat.
Your words say that GOD is mean and wanted to withhold from them life.
GOD HAD TO KEEP HIS WORD >>> THEY MUST SURELY DIE, JUST AS HE SAID, THEREFORE THEY WERE CUT OFF FROM THE TREE AND THE GARDEN, JUST AS HE SAID.
Where is your scripture FROM THE HOLY WORD OF GOD, and not just "your opinion".?
Your "opinion" calls scripture false and "your opinion" true.
The Lord God kept HIS WORD and they were cast out of the garden.
GOD'S WORD IS JUST AND TRUE.
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Matthew Henry's Commentary
Romans 5:12-14
The design of what follows is plain. It is to exalt our views respecting the blessings Christ has procured for us, by comparing them with the evil which followed upon the fall of our first father; and by showing that these blessings not only extend to the removal of these evils, but far beyond. Adam sinning, his nature became guilty and corrupted, and so came to his children. Thus in him all have sinned. And death is by sin; for death is the wages of sin. Then entered all that misery which is the due desert of sin; temporal, spiritual, eternal death. If Adam had not sinned, he had not died; but a sentence of death was passed, as upon a criminal; it passed through all men, as an infectious disease that none escape. In proof of our union with Adam, and our part in his first transgression, observe, that sin prevailed in the world, for many ages before the giving of the law by Moses. And death reigned in that long time, not only over adults who wilfully sinned, but also over multitudes of infants, which shows that they had fallen in Adam under condemnation, and that the sin of Adam extended to all his posterity. He was a figure or type of Him that was to come as Surety of a new covenant, for all who are related to Him.
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I want to hear you PRAISE GOD and give HONOR and GLORY to JESUS CHRIST our SAVIOR.
Thank you JESUS, my Savior for YOUR GREAT Sacrifice and your atonement for me , that you died and arose , that all might be saved, if they truly believe on/in YOU.
(show me scripture >>> book, chapter, verse)
David Haynes :lightning
