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Under Law? Under Grace? or both?

Allow me to share a part of some reading I have, the source of the text is included below.

It is a small segment from a book I purchased some time ago, but never managed to get time to read it.

Here we look at the different categories or types of the law, there is nothing vegetarian on the menu, enjoy

Rabbi Jimmie your comments are most welcome


Remaining with the New Testament

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νόμος (nomos). n. masc. law, principle, custom.
Can refer to the law of Moses as a text or as a system.
The word nomos is the usual Septuagint translation of תּוֹרָה (tôrâ, “law”) as well as of the much less frequent דָּת (dāt; both Hebrew and Aramaic).
In the NT, it sometimes clearly refers to a set of writings (typically consisting of the books attributed to Moses) that stands alongside “the Prophets”

Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

or “the Prophets and Psalms”
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

occasionally, the law (nomos) appears to refer to the whole OT, as in
John 15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

where a quotation from a psalm is attributed to the law (nomos).
More often, the sense seems to be the legal system set up by the Mosaic covenant.
In the Gospels, Mary and Joseph raise Jesus according to the law (nomo...)

Luke 2:22-24
22 And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
23 (As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord;)
24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

Luke 2:27
And he came by the Spirit into the temple: and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him after the custom of the law,

Luke 2:39nomos
And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.

and Jesus presents himself as fulfilling the law (nomos), not negating it

Matt 5:17–18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

In the NT, nomos rarely, if ever, refers to a specific regulation.

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ἐντολή (entolē). n. fem. commandment.
Unlike nomos, entolē indicates a specific commandment, whether in the law or outside of it.

In the Septuagint, entolē is the usual translation of מִצְוָה (miṣwâ, “commandment”), as well as of the much less frequent פִקּוּד (piqqûd, “precept”).

In the NT, nomos and entolē are sometimes roughly synonymous

Rom 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

but while nomos, like the Hebrew תּוֹרָה (tôrâ), is typically the “law” as a whole, entolē, like the Hebrew miṣwâ, indicates a specific commandment

Matt 5:18–19
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, TILL ALL IS FULFILLED.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Heb 9:19
For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

In some cases the Ten Commandments are in view

Mark 10:19
Thou knowest the commandments,

Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Rom 13:9
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself.

Eph 6:2
Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;

Jesus declares loving God and loving neighbor to be the greatest commandments (entolē...)
Mark 12:28–31
28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt LOVE the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

and the writings attributed to the Apostle John frequently identify Jesus’ commandment (entolē) to his followers as the command to LOVE one another

John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you
, That ye LOVE one another; as I have LOVED you, that ye also LOVE one another.

John 15:10–13
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall ABIDE in MY LOVE; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and ABIDE in his LOVE.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye LOVE one another, as I have LOVED you.
13 Greater LOVE hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

1 John 3:22–24
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
23 And this is his commandment, That we should BELIEVE on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and LOVE one another, as he gave us commandment.
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

2 John 4–6
4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.
5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we LOVE one another.
6 And this is LOVE, that we walk after his commandments.
This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Outside the Synoptic Gospels, entolē is not necessarily tied to Mosaic law but can indicate injunctions of all types

John 11:57
4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.
5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we LOVE one another.
6 And this is LOVE, that we walk after his commandments.
This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Acts 17:15
And they that conducted Paul brought him unto Athens: and receiving a commandment unto Silas and Timotheus for to come to him with all speed, they departed.

Col 4:10entolē, “commandment”
Aristarchus my fellowprisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister's son to Barnabas, (touching whom ye received commandments: if he come unto you, receive him;)

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ἐντέλλομαι (entellomai). vb. to command, enjoin.

This verb refers to commanding someone to do something and is used in the NT mostly to indicate the issuing of divine commands.

This verb is related to the noun ἐντολή (entolē, “commandment) and means “to command.”

It is the usual Septuagint translation of Hebrew צָוָה (ṣāwâ, “to command”).

In the NT, it is sometimes used in reference to the issuing of OT commandments:
God (Heb 9:20)
saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you

and

Moses (Matt 19:7)
They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

Moses (Mark 10:3)
And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?

Moses (John 8:5)
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

commanded (entellomai) specific things in the law of Moses,
while Acts describes Isaiah’s prophecy that Jews be a light to Gentiles as something “the Lord has commanded (entellomai) us

Acts 13:47
For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

The verb is often used to indicate Jesus commanding (entellomai) his disciples

Matt 17:9
And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

Matt 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Acts 1:2
Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:


and in the temptation narrative Satan quotes

Psa 91:11
For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

where God commands (entellomai) his angels

Matt 4:6

And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

Luke 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

In John’s Gospel, God commands (entellomai) Jesus

John 14:31

But that the world may know that I LOVE the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

and Jesus in turn commands (entellomai) his disciples to LOVE

John 15:14, 17
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
17 These things I command you, that ye LOVE one another.

Only twice in the NT does entellomai take a subject other than God, Jesus, or Moses.

It is used of a master commanding (entellomai) a doorkeeper

Mark 13:34

For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

and of Joseph giving direction (entellomai) about his bones

Heb 11:22
By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.

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δικαίωμα (dikaiōma). n. neut. regulation, requirement, righteous deed.

This word can refer either to legal requirements or to righteous deeds.

In the Septuagint, dikaiōma is sometimes used to translate several Hebrew words for commandments or regulations, including חֹק (ḥōq, “statute”) and both מִשְׁפָט (mišpāṭ, “judgment”).

In the NT, it sometimes refers to the regulations of the law of Moses e.g.

Luke 1:6
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Rom 2:26
Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

Heb 9:1
Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

while at other times it refers to righteous deeds

Rom 5:8
But God commendeth his LOVE toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Rev 19:8
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

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νομικός (nomikos). adj. relating to or learned in the law.

Although an adjective in form, the term mostly is used as a substantive meaning “lawyer,” particularly an expert in the Jewish law.

This word is related to nomos. In general nomikos is a term Luke uses to refer to the Jewish party specializing in the law

Luke 7:30
But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

Luke 10:25
And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

Luke 14:3
And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day?

Matthew also uses it once in this sense

Matt 22:35
Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

This group was also called “teachers of the law” - νομοδιδάσκαλος, nomodidaskalos

Luke 5:17
And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them.

Acts 5:34
Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;

similar to Pharisees and scribes but not identical with them

Luke 11:37–54 (Please read from the link)

The adjectival sense occurs in
Titus 3:9
But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

which directs Titus to avoid legal (nomikos) disputes, and a few verses later Zenas is called a lawyer (nomikos...)

Titus 3:13
Bring Zenas the lawyer and Apollos on their journey diligently, that nothing be wanting unto them.
with apparently no negative connotation.

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νομιμῶς (nomimōs). adv. according to the law, lawfully.
Describes an action as being done in proper accord with the law.
This word is related to (nomos. It is used with positive connotations to indicate “lawfully” or “in the proper way”

1 Tim 1:8
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

2 Tim 2:5
And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

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ἔννομος (ennomos). adj. legal, customary; within the law.

In the NT, the sense is of a “regular” or “lawful” assembly and the jurisdiction of Mosaic Torah.

This word is related to nomos. It is used only twice in the NT.

In Acts 19:39
But if ye enquire any thing concerning other matters, it shall be determined in a lawful assembly.

it probably describes a “regular” or “customary” assembly, in contrast to one that is specially called. It is possible that ennomos means “lawful,” though, as opposed to a mob-like gathering.

In 1 Corinthians 9:21
To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

it has the sense of being “under the jurisdiction” (ennomos) of Christ, which is contrasted with being under the Mosaic law and with being lawless.

TIMOTHY A. GABRIELSON


Gabrielson, T. A. (2014). Law. D. Mangum, D. R. Brown, R. Klippenstein, & R. Hurst (Eds.), Lexham Theological Wordbook. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press.
 
The above is a comprehensive list and includes details and scriptures.

Below I have included the 'key words' to make it easier to read and see the types of law

Remaining with the New Testament

νόμος (nomos). n. masc. LAW, PRINCIPLE, CUSTOM.


ἐντολή (entolē). n. fem. COMMANDMENT.


ἐντέλλομαι (entellomai). vb. to COMMAND, ENJOIN.


δικαίωμα (dikaiōma). n. neut. REGULATION. REQUIREMENT, RIGHTEOUS DEED


νομικός (nomikos). adj. RELATING TO or LEARNING IN THE LAW
These two are related to one another
νομοδιδάσκαλος, nomodidaskalos. TEACHERS OF THE LAW


νομιμῶς (nomimōs). adv. ACCORDING TO THE LAW, LAWFULLY


ἔννομος (ennomos). adj. LEGAL, CUSTOMARY, WITHIN THE LAW
 
@Brother-Paul -- yes, Adam and Eve Did cover themselves up with fig leaves , but look at Genesis 3: 21 "Also for Adam and his wife the Lord God made tunics of skin, and clothed them" -- the tunic of skins had to come from an animal that was killed.
I wasnt there to know, its an assumption either way, but I heard that the skins God made for them, is the skin you and I are wearing underneath our clothes. Prior to that, we may well have had glorified bodies, with no need of a flesh skin, sort of like those we will be transformed into down the road.
 
I wasnt there to know, its an assumption either way, but I heard that the skins God made for them, is the skin you and I are wearing underneath our clothes. Prior to that, we may well have had glorified bodies, with no need of a flesh skin, sort of like those we will be transformed into down the road.
Brother,

What's beneath our clothing, that's called nakedness, of which Adam and Eve were ashamed.
 
I wasnt there to know, its an assumption either way, but I heard that the skins God made for them, is the skin you and I are wearing underneath our clothes. Prior to that, we may well have had glorified bodies, with no need of a flesh skin, sort of like those we will be transformed into down the road.


Paradise regained ;)
 
Brother,

What's beneath our clothing, that's called nakedness, of which Adam and Eve were ashamed.


But they didn't know they were naked until the eat from the tree God told them not to eat from.

The question is did they have Glorified bodies prior to the fall, in Eden, in paradise, with only God and them, till the serpent arrived it would seem feasible. Then the fall, then the curse.
 
But they didn't know they were naked until the eat from the tree God told them not to eat from.

The question is did they have Glorified bodies prior to the fall, in Eden, in paradise, with only God and them, till the serpent arrived it would seem feasible. Then the fall, then the curse.
Scripture does not explicitly say, but it does say they were naked and not ashamed. After they ate, their eyes were opened and they knew they were naked, hence their shame was manifest in the knowledge they were naked. Perhaps if they had eaten from the tree of life they'd have been glorified. We are not told they ever did eat of the tree of life, only that God kept them from it after they sinned. Lots to ponder, for certain.
 
But they didn't know they were naked until the eat from the tree God told them not to eat from.

The question is did they have Glorified bodies prior to the fall, in Eden, in paradise, with only God and them, till the serpent arrived it would seem feasible. Then the fall, then the curse.


Let's backtrack a bit -- What are our bodies like NOW. We have flesh and blood -- able to produce children. Our ancestors produced 'us'. That would be back tracking to Noah and his family who were the only ones saved in the ark. They Also had flesh and blood bodies. So -- Continue Back tracking -- why would Adam and Eve have any other kind of body than 'we' have. When / How would We have our flesh and blood bodies of Now if human beings were created with glorified bodies.

Jesus Christ is the Only one who was here on earth with a glorified body. And that was after He had died and risen back to life. And That will be when born again believers receive Our glorified bodies -- after we die and are with Jesus Christ forever.
 
Let's backtrack a bit -- What are our bodies like NOW. We have flesh and blood -- able to produce children. Our ancestors produced 'us'. That would be back tracking to Noah and his family who were the only ones saved in the ark. They Also had flesh and blood bodies. So -- Continue Back tracking -- why would Adam and Eve have any other kind of body than 'we' have. When / How would We have our flesh and blood bodies of Now if human beings were created with glorified bodies.

Jesus Christ is the Only one who was here on earth with a glorified body. And that was after He had died and risen back to life. And That will be when born again believers receive Our glorified bodies -- after we die and are with Jesus Christ forever.


Greeting Sue

Thank you for your reply.

Regarding your last statement...

We will not receive our Glorified bodies when we die, assuming we don't die the second he returns in Glory.

When we die we experience what is called disembodiment, the flesh body and bones returns back to the dust of the earth. The Spirit and soul leave the body to be with the Lord.

2Cor 5:6,8
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Saved souls, born again from above souls, the ekklesia, are NOT resurrected until Christ's second return, His return in Glory.

1Thess 4:16
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

If born again believers receive their glorified bodies at death, they couldn't receive them at Christs Return in Glory to the Mount of Olives.

1 Cor 15:42-43
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

Shalom
 
I wasnt there to know, its an assumption either way, but I heard that the skins God made for them, is the skin you and I are wearing underneath our clothes. Prior to that, we may well have had glorified bodies, with no need of a flesh skin, sort of like those we will be transformed into down the road.


None of us were there to know -- we Do read it in God's Word -- In Genesis. In the first few chapters.

And Why would 'we' have had glorified bodies?

Do You have flesh? Do You have skin? It's the stuff that bleeds if it's cut.

Everyone in this world has skin / flesh and blood.
 
But they didn't know they were naked until the eat from the tree God told them not to eat from.

The question is did they have Glorified bodies prior to the fall, in Eden, in paradise, with only God and them, till the serpent arrived it would seem feasible. Then the fall, then the curse.


Again -- Why would Adam and Eve have had glorified bodies? We don't -- so why would They?

If you'll read Genesis -- those questions are answered.

That which seems 'feasible' isn't especially the truth of what happened.
 
Greeting Sue

Thank you for your reply.

Regarding your last statement...

We will not receive our Glorified bodies when we die, assuming we don't die the second he returns in Glory.

When we die we experience what is called disembodiment, the flesh body and bones returns back to the dust of the earth. The Spirit and soul leave the body to be with the Lord.

2Cor 5:6,8
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Saved souls, born again from above souls, the ekklesia, are NOT resurrected until Christ's second return, His return in Glory.

1Thess 4:16
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

If born again believers receive their glorified bodies at death, they couldn't receive them at Christs Return in Glory to the Mount of Olives.

1 Cor 15:42-43
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

Shalom


Why would 'we' die the second He returns in glory?

When a person dies -- the physical body begins to decay. That's why a body is usually embalmed -- so it doesn't decay as fast. To look as good as possible in a casket. The spirit / soul of a person is either in Hades or with Christ -- no soul sleep involved. You call it disembodiment.

The saved souls that you talked about , the ekklesia , the Church will be raptured up and out of here as is described in 1 Thess 4:16 and John 5 passage is talking about the same thing. Says more specifically where they will be going upon.

What makes you think that anyone will receive their gloried body at Christ's return to the Mt of Olives.

Your passages don't seem to match what you're talking about.
 
None of us were there to know -- we Do read it in God's Word -- In Genesis. In the first few chapters.

And Why would 'we' have had glorified bodies?

Do You have flesh? Do You have skin? It's the stuff that bleeds if it's cut.

Everyone in this world has skin / flesh and blood.
No Sue, we dont read it in God's word. Do you understand the word speculation and how its applied to conversations?
 
Genesis 2:21 God speaks there of Adams ribs and flesh.
Can't find out how to copy and paste in this tablet.
 
Why would 'we' die the second He returns in glory?


Ok, to die a few seconds before Christ returns, life will continue as it does up to the second Christ Returns in Glory.

When a person dies -- the physical body begins to decay. That's why a body is usually embalmed -- so it doesn't decay as fast. To look as good as possible in a casket. The spirit / soul of a person is either in Hades or with Christ -- no soul sleep involved. You call it disembodiment.


Disembodiment is referring to, the separation of the flesh/bone body from the spirit and soul. I didn't mention soul sleep Sue.

The saved souls that you talked about , the ekklesia , the Church will be raptured up and out of here as is described in 1 Thess 4:16 and John 5 passage is talking about the same thing. Says more specifically where they will be going upon.


Regarding the rapture yes, regarding when, not 7 years before Christ's return. To many scriptures refer to 'The Last Day'
 
Scripture does not explicitly say, but it does say they were naked and not ashamed. After they ate, their eyes were opened and they knew they were naked, hence their shame was manifest in the knowledge they were naked. Perhaps if they had eaten from the tree of life they'd have been glorified. We are not told they ever did eat of the tree of life, only that God kept them from it after they sinned. Lots to ponder, for certain.


It is the knowledge of good and evil.

It has been said we are what we eat!

I use my loaf and eat from the Bread of Life ;)
 
It is the knowledge of good and evil.

It has been said we are what we eat!

I use my loaf and eat from the Bread of Life ;)
They saw themselves naked and hid themselves from the Lord. Why?

At the moment they rebelled (sinned against God) they died spiritually. Their physical bodies did not die, nor did their bodies change.

As soon as they died spiritually, their eyes and minds were opened to the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil.

When their eyes were opened to the knowledge of good and evil, they recognized that their fleshly bodies were corrupt, and were indeed aging and in the process of dying. Hence God placing guards at the tree of life and removing Adam and Eve from the garden. Their bodies were instantly defiled by sin and they could feel it and see it.

Because they were in a state of bliss from having no sin in their lives, they had no idea that their physical bodies could die, or that they needed life sustainment from the fruit from the tree of life.
 
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