Trying to explain the trinity

[Boanerges]

Dear Larry, Thank you for respecting my position.

My dear brother it is easy as if we are born again we are already family.

Just a couple of questions for you; If you believe that Christ was the God of the Old Testament and the Old Testament declares (Deu 6:4) the Lord our (the Hebrews) God is one God then are you saying that the Father was not the God of the Hebrews at all?
The let us (Gen 1:26) make in our image, is that referring to One God, two Gods or three? If more then one you does that make you a poly-theist?
I believe in the One true God (Jas 2:19) what are your views on that?
Thanks ahead of time for your answers, it is a pleasure talking to you.
Many blessings in His Wonderful Name,
your brother Larry.
Pro 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

 

[spirit1st]

THIS is NOT HARD to see

1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

spirit and soul and body >>>>> one BEING

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: >>>one being


1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. >>> one being



Three parts as HE MADE US !


GOD has three parts none are less or more! Jesus came as a baby earth being HE had to lower HIMSELF to be dwelling in many kind ! So He in This flesh form to be the perfect example for mankind Before He came as A baby He was doing all those things in the old testament .
But He was Not known as JESUS ! He only became Jesus in the New TESTament

1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.


He is CREATOR
You see GOD thinks it the Word [JESUS] Speaks it and the power does it!
ONE being not three !



You SEE JESUS You see GOD!

But We will not call Him Jesus ,Jesus died He Now has a NEW NAME greater than the name they knew Him as and we know Him As Still the name Jesus is above All names!

He has Not revealed His New Name yet!

He not going to reveal until everything He came to do is finished!


Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


No amount of scriptures can reveal this truth ! Only the HOLY GHOST CAN!

 

[Joe in Arkansas]

My dear brother it is easy as if we are born again we are already family.

Just a couple of questions for you; If you believe that Christ was the God of the Old Testament and the Old Testament declares (Deu 6:4) the Lord our (the Hebrews) God is one God then are you saying that the Father was not the God of the Hebrews at all?
The let us (Gen 1:26) make in our image, is that referring to One God, two Gods or three? If more then one you does that make you a poly-theist?
I believe in the One true God (Jas 2:19) what are your views on that?
Thanks ahead of time for your answers, it is a pleasure talking to you.
Many blessings in His Wonderful Name,
your brother Larry.
Pro 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

Dear Larry,
Good to hear from you again. Concerning your 1st question and Deu 6:4, what I am saying is that God the Father and Christ are one, just as Christ explained that He and the Father are one & that Christ and His church are one (Joh 17:22). In both relationships, they are governed by one spirit - the Holy Spirit thus making them one. So in Deu 6:4, it is saying the same thing - that Christ and God the Father are one since they are governed by the same Spirit. Since Christ and His Church will be "one" at the 1st resurrection, will that make them numerically one in the same way that the supporters of the trinity doctrine say the Father and Christ are one? The answer is no but it will make them spiritually one. The supporters of the trinity doctrine want to make God the Father and Christ (and the Holy Spirit) all one "being" with three equal parts that have always existed . Do you believe they will modify that doctrine in the future to include the church and create a new God having four equal parts??? Can you see the point I am trying to make? To continue, I believe that all the direct dealings with mankind have been through Christ, even in the Old Testament. I believe that "no man has seen the Father" and just as God the Father created everything through Christ, all the Father's dealings with man have likewise been through Christ. Christ is the Great I Am in the burning brush, Christ walked in the Garden with Adam, Christ talked with Abraham, etc.

Second question: Concerning Gen 1:26, I believe the "us" is the Father and Christ - the Ones who are the creators but are one spiritually, making them the "one" God. When we love Christ, we also love the Father. When we worship Christ, we are also worshiping the Father. I do not believe in two gods because the Father and Christ are one spiritually, not "equal" mind you as the trinity doctrine says, but "one" in a Father and Son relationship. The Father is the source of all things. He created Christ and He (through Christ) is creating us to be "one" with Him. That is why 1Cor 15:28 says that God the Father will be "all in all" when Christ's work is fininshed. At the end, everyone will be "one" with the Father since we will all be governed by His Spirit - the Holy Spirit. The Father and Christ already have this relationship and someday, all mankind will have that same relationship with the Father - we will be "one" with Him. Mankind will be part of the "God" family but like Christ, we have a beginning and will always be under the Father.

Lastly, concerning James 2:19, I believe there is one God (the Father) and that Christ is spiritually one with Him just as we will be someday because the Father's Holy Spirit will fill us all.

I hope that clarifies my understanding. Are you a supporter of the Trinity doctrine or do you believe much the same as me? Several years ago, I accepted the trinity doctrine as truth. But as I put aside those things that the "church" taught me in my spiritual youth and learned what scripture has to say, the domino's of the organized church doctrines quickly began to fall. As I have said before in my other posts, none of the mainstream doctrines stand up to what scripture actually teaches. I believe the mainstream churches are the daughter harlots of Mystery Babylon (the Great *****) from which we are commanded to "come out" (Rev 18). Once I saw and understood that the Christ those churches serve is not the Christ of scripture, it was an easy step for me.

May the Lord bless you,
Joe in Arkansas

 

[Joe in Arkansas]

THIS is NOT HARD to see

1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

spirit and soul and body >>>>> one BEING

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: >>>one being


1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. >>> one being



Three parts as HE MADE US !


GOD has three parts none are less or more! Jesus came as a baby earth being HE had to lower HIMSELF to be dwelling in many kind ! So He in This flesh form to be the perfect example for mankind Before He came as A baby He was doing all those things in the old testament .
But He was Not known as JESUS ! He only became Jesus in the New TESTament

1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.


He is CREATOR
You see GOD thinks it the Word [JESUS] Speaks it and the power does it!
ONE being not three !



You SEE JESUS You see GOD!

But We will not call Him Jesus ,Jesus died He Now has a NEW NAME greater than the name they knew Him as and we know Him As Still the name Jesus is above All names!

He has Not revealed His New Name yet!

He not going to reveal until everything He came to do is finished!


Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


No amount of scriptures can reveal this truth ! Only the HOLY GHOST CAN!

Dear Spirit1st,
From all my postings, I believe I have made my understanding clear and I'm not sure if I can add anything relevant at this point. I will say, after reading your post, if what you say is true, then you must believe that the Father is not complete without Christ or the Holy Spirit, since they all combine to make "one" being. I contend that the Father is complete without Christ and that the Holy Spirit is simply the Father's Spirit. And as for man, scripture says that when God places our spirit (that He created) into a body, a soul is born. There are not three parts but two parts connecting together to give life to a new soul. When we die, our spirit returns to God and our body returns to dust. Our soul is dead and remains dead until our resurrection when God places our spirit back into a new spiritual body thus giving life back to our soul again. Our soul has no consciousness unless it is in a living body. That is why our resurrection is so important. Without Christ resurrecting us, we would remain dead forever. I thank the Lord though that He died on the cross to pay the penalty (death) of our sins, Henceforth, the grave cannot hold us (all of mankind) when He calls us back to life.

May the Lord bless you,
Joe in Arkansas

 

[spirit1st]

We have eternal life NOW . of born -again ! We are Already part of GODS family Now if Born -Again! We cannot die ever !
Death is really separation from God! We cannot be separated now!

We are A spirit being , perfect . But still trapped in these dying sin filled bodies a short time!
Then we go home to our natural home , New Jerusalem !
This planet is no longer our Home .We are just passing through !

 

[Boanerges]

that Christ and God the Father are one since they are governed by the same Spirit

Could you expound on that thought?

Are you a supporter of the Trinity doctrine

I would have to say yes. my view; we are triune beings ourselves created in God's own image.

equal" mind you as the trinity doctrine says

My understanding of Trinitarian doctrine is that they are equally God not office.
Have a blessed day,
your brother Larry.

 

[Joe in Arkansas]

We have eternal life NOW . of born -again ! We are Already part of GODS family Now if Born -Again! We cannot die ever !
Death is really separation from God! We cannot be separated now!

We are A spirit being , perfect . But still trapped in these dying sin filled bodies a short time!
Then we go home to our natural home , New Jerusalem !
This planet is no longer our Home .We are just passing through !

Dear Spirit1st,
Do you have a any scriptures that say that death is "really separation from God"? Here is the scriptural definition of death:

Ecc 9:5-6 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither, have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished: neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

When someone is dead, they have no consciousness or life until the Lord resurrects them from the dead. His church will be resurrected from the dead at the 1st resurrection. The rest of the dead will not be resurrected until the 2nd resurrection.

When Christ died on the cross, He was dead and without consciousness until the third day when the Father raised Him from the dead. Without the resurrection from the grave, we would stay dead forever. If man can still have life without resurrection, then why is the resurrection from the dead so important in scripture? Why is the 15th chapter of 1Corinthians even needed?

1Cor 15:20-24 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive, but every man in his own order; Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming.

Scripture says that the dead (those without life or consciousness) are resurrected and made alive again. They are given a new body and their spirits are again placed into that body, giving life to their souls again. Without the resurrection, there is no life. The scripture below says that the soul that sinneth shall die. I have sinned and I know that someday I shall die. But I have hope in Christ who will raise me from the dead at the 1st resurrection.

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine; the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Rev 20:4-5 And I saw the thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

As this scripture says below, the "dead" in Christ shall rise first. It does not say the living will be resurrected but the dead. Then you have to go back to the scriptural definition of what death is and it is clear we have no consciousness until the resurrection. All the apostles are still dead, my grandmother who died years ago is still dead and when I die, I will be dead. Without the resurrection, we are lost forever. Scripture does not conflict but there are some verses which are poorly translated and misunderstood which has produced some false teaching in this area.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God, and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

You said that we are a spirit being, but as scripture says, even a spirit being needs a spiritual body:

1Cor 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

This scripture clearly states that when we are raised (resurrected) we are given "spiritual" bodies. Until we have that body, we are dead. This is not rocket science, one merely needs to believe the scriptures and put away the teachings of man.

May the Lord bless you,
Joe in Arkansas

 

[Joe in Arkansas]

Could you expound on that thought?

I would have to say yes. my view; we are triune beings ourselves created in God's own image.

My understanding of Trinitarian doctrine is that they are equally God not office.
Have a blessed day,
your brother Larry.

Dear Larry,
Scripture teaches that we are given life when our spirit is placed into a body. When that happens a soul is created. I only see two parts; a body and a spirit. The soul is the product of the two, not a third part. What do you believe are our three parts that make us triune and do you have any scriptures to support it?

The definition of the trinity doctrine that I have read says that God is made up of three equal personalities that have always existed. Since the Son is not equal to the Father, then the trinity doctrine is incorrect. I have never heard until now, that the trinity doctrine can also be three unequal personalities that form together to be one God. I agree that Christ is our God but He is the Son of the Father, not part of the Father. As I said before, the Father is completely God without Christ. He created Christ so its stands to reason that He existed without Christ at some point. The trinity doctrine is not in scripture. If it were, don't you think Paul would have spent at least a chapter or two explaining this complex doctrine to us. But he doesn't. What Paul does do is at the start of His letters, he gives recognition to Jesus Christ and God the Father separately. He also adds details at times, such as that the Father is the God of Christ, that Christ came out from the Father, that the Father is the father of Christ, and that Christ is the Father's Son. No mention of the Holy Spirit EVER when he makes his greetings at the start of each letter. If the Holy Spirit is a third of the Godhead, then why the slight? If the trinity is true, then why does he just not say "God" and let it be understood that He is addressing all three of God's parts? The only logical reason Paul mentions only the Father and the Son separately and never mentions the Holy Spirit is because Paul doesn't believe in the trinity doctrine and that is why he never taught it.

Larry, can't you see what scripture actually teaches about the relationship between the Father and Christ? I know it is hard to let go of something that you have always been taught and have believed. Let me ask you this, if you had never had anyone ever teach you the trinity doctrine and you had to start from again from scratch using only the scriptures, do you think you would come to believe the same thing? What would you do with all the scriptures that I have pointed out that contradict the trinity doctrine?

I wish you the best and pray that the Lord blesses you,
Joe in Arkansas

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Once I saw and understood that the Christ those churches serve is not the Christ of scripture, it was an easy step for me

I have deleted the sly little four word insult you enclosed with parentheses after the word "Scripture" in this sentence and I am giving you an official warning for insulting members who do not agree with you.

SLE

 

[Veracity]

The "trinity" is not scriptural. In mans earthly understanding of obvious parable style reference by Jesus Christ Himself, it is concluded that there are three separate parts to God. God is one able almighty God who can do as He pleases, when He pleases, where He pleases. We do not control God, any part of Him at any time.

Jesus Christ is the Father in creation, the Son in Salvation, and the Holy Spirit in those who accept Him as Lord and Savior.

If you want to say He is three or twenty or a thousand....He is Lord of Lords and King of Kings, His name is above all names there ever were, there is no salvation except through His name.

We are to do ALL things in His name. ALL things...what things do we do everyday? Are we able to do all to the Glory of Jesus Christ? If not...time to rethink our lives.

To God be the Glory regardless of how you try to explain God.

 

[Boanerges]

I only see two parts; a body and a spirit. The soul is the product of the two, not a third part. What do you believe are our three parts that make us triune and do you have any scriptures to support it?

We are very distinctively described as three parts in the bible; 1+1+1= 3 . These are God's Words and not mine(red emphasis mine).
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

tripartite [traɪˈpɑːtaɪt]adj1. divided into or composed of three parts

 

[Joe in Arkansas]

We are very distinctively described as three parts in the bible; 1+1+1= 3 . These are God's Words and not mine(red emphasis mine).
1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

tripartite [traɪˈpɑːtaɪt]adj1. divided into or composed of three parts

Dear Larry,
Yes, I believe there a soul, a body and a spirit. The point I am making though is that the spirit and the body form together to create a soul; SPIRIT + BODY = SOUL. There are three parts to this equation but one of the parts is a result of combining the other two. However, this does not mean that God is the same. Scripture says that:

John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who will be worshiping Him, must do so in spirit and in truth.

1Cor 8:5-6 For even if so that there be those being termed gods, whether in heaven or in earth, even as there are many gods and many lords, nevertheless for us, there is one God, the Father, out of Whom all is, and we for Him, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through Whom all is, and we through Him.

It can't be said any clearer than these two scriptures say it; "God is Spirit" and "there is one God, the Father, our of Whom all is". It plainly says that there is one God (numerically, not spiritually as the term "one" is used in John 17:22) and that this one God is the Father.

If you will not accept these two verses of scriptures, then it makes no sense for me to continue trying to convince you that the trinity doctrine is false. We will just have to agree to disagree. Thank you for discussing this subject with me.

May the Lord bless you,
Joe in Arkansas

 

[spirit1st]

True We must disagree! Our minds cannot see Spiritual things without it being revealed to us by the spirit of truth!
Of we reject or fight against the truth? Then He will not force us to see it!
Once having been taught by mankind or even ourselves? It Very hard for the Holy Ghost to get us too see! If it were easy ? Then All of us would agree 100% !

This is the great problem with churches today ! satan has tricked them , mostly all to think and judge scriptures differently . Then causing this great division !

Each group thinking they are correct and not willing to seek HIS truth and understanding!

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.


1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.


Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Eph 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

Joh 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.


1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things



WE are a spirit that has a mind [soul] and we dwell in a body!

 

[Boanerges]

John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who will be worshiping Him, must do so in spirit and in truth.

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The question for you then would be which God since you believe Jesus is a different God then the Father. the term "gods used in 1Cor 8:5-6 is defined as Theos - judge, angel deity of uncertain affinity which had nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus Himself is described by the Father as being Ho' Theos with the
article Ho' changing the definition to Most High God.
The difference between soul and spirit are well delineated in the entire New Testament.
It is He who describes us as 3 parts (not your interpretation of 2 being one totaling two) and He who created us in His own image.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Answer this my friend:
How can one divide soul and spirit if they are the same thing? They are most certainly separate parts of our being.


Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.


1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thanks for the conversation and have a blessed day, your brother Larry.

 

[Joe in Arkansas]

Dear Larry,
Jesus is the Son of the Most High God:

Mark 5:7 ...what have I do to do with you, Jesus, son of the most high God?

The Greek for most high God is "hypsistos theos". The verse you are quoting (Hbr 1:8) uses only the term "theos" in reference to Christ being God, not hypsistos theos. In fact, I found no translations that translate Hbr 1:8 as Most High God. Since Christ is the Son of the Father as Mark 5:7 says, then the Father is the Most High God. There are no scriptures that I know of that say Christ is the most high God; He is the Son of the Most High God.

May the Lord bless you,
Joe in Arkansas

 

[Boanerges]

Jesus is the Son of the Most High God:

Yes He is that and much more.
Ho' Theos = The God or most High God.

This is found in Hebrews 1:3 and also:

Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Which is the same Name for God as found in these verses (and others), please pay attention to the last one:

Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.


Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

 

[Joe in Arkansas]

Yes He is that and much more.
Ho' Theos = The God or most High God.

This is found in Hebrews 1:3 and also:

Joh 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Which is the same Name for God as found in these verses (and others), please pay attention to the last one:

Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.


Mar 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Dear Larry,
I have checked the Greek on the verses you quoted and those verses do not say Most High God but only God. As I have said before, the term "God" is a title. When scripture adds "most high" in front of it, it is referring to the Father. Without "most high", it can be referring to the Father, Christ or even us. You have not shown me in scripture that Christ is the Most High God. You have shown me that He is God but not the Most High God. The Father's offspring (sons & daughters) are also gods but just not the Most High. We are all part of God's family; that does not make us equal with our Father anymore than it does for Christ. Scripture always says that the Father is greater than all. He is the Most High God.

May the Lord Bless you,
Joe in Arkansas

 

[Eagle_Eyes]

Just like Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three attributes of the very same person, we are also made up of 3 parts. After all, we were made in His image. This doesn't make us 3 persons, I might add.

First, we have a body that contacts the physical world (see, smell, hear, speak and touch). Secondly, we have a spiritual body that contacts the spiritual (consciousness, reasoning, imagination, memory and emotion). Lastly, we have a soul and there is only one sense that drives that place and that is your free will to either accept or reject the Word of God.

So, there's the body and on the inside of the body is the spirit (which is very much active when you sleep) and on the inside of the spirit is the soul (you) where either God dwells, or Satan!

 

[Joe in Arkansas]

Just like Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three attributes of the very same person, we are also made up of 3 parts. After all, we were made in His image. This doesn't make us 3 persons, I might add.

First, we have a body that contacts the physical world (see, smell, hear, speak and touch). Secondly, we have a spiritual body that contacts the spiritual (consciousness, reasoning, imagination, memory and emotion). Lastly, we have a soul and there is only one sense that drives that place and that is your free will to either accept or reject the Word of God.

So, there's the body and on the inside of the body is the spirit (which is very much active when you sleep) and on the inside of the spirit is the soul (you) where either God dwells, or Satan!

Dear Eagles_Eyes,
It's good to hear from you again. I have done a little more research on the trinity as proclaimed by orthodox Christianity. Here is what the Hastings Dictionary of the Bible says (page 1015):

"TRINITY - the Christian Doctrine of God as existing in three persons and one substance is not demonstrable by logic or scriptural proof..."

Quite an admission especially since the definition continues on to argue for it. I for one agree with the first part of the definition; that the trinity is not demonstrable by logic or scriptural proof. The word trinity or triune is not even in scripture. God is never referred to as a person. God is Spirit and not substance. The Holy Spirit is never referred to as God. The Father is said to be the Most High God and greater than all, including Christ. Scripture also says that all things come from the Father. If one tries to find a way to support this doctrine, one must go outside of scripture and argue that we have three parts (non-scriptural) and therefore God must have three parts even though scripture never says that God is made up of three parts. If the doctrine cannot be proven by scripture, then it cannot be proven since scripture of the highest authority of God's revelation to mankind. Even the Bereans were more noble than to except anything that anyone would tell them unless it first could be proven to them in scripture.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than these in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether these things were so.

Scriptures tell us to shun the traditions of man (Col 2:8) and the wisdom of this world (1Cor 1:20 & 3:19). Scripture also tell us to study God's Word and to rightly divide it (2Tim 2:15-18), to distinguish the things that differ (Phil 1:10), not to add or take away from His Word (Rev 22:18), and to have a pattern of sound words 2Tim 1:13-14). If the trinity cannot be proven in scripture, scripture tells us to reject it. Even the Hastings Dictionary of the Bible admits it cannot be proven. If it cannot be proven in scripture, I must reject it. Scripture commands me to do so.

May the Lord bless you,
Joe in Arkansas

 

[SpiritLedEd]

The "trinity" is not scriptural. In mans earthly understanding of obvious parable style reference by Jesus Christ Himself, it is concluded that there are three separate parts to God.

"Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is love; not that we loved God, but that He loved us......" (1 Jn 4: 8, 10 NIV)

Question: "Love" is a verb, an action word. It requires an object outside the one doing the loving. If the Trinity is unscriptural, it does not exist. If the Trinity does not exist, how could God be love since prior to the creation of man there would have been no object for His love?

SLE